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  1. As long as you claim them before the DC end time tomorrow it doesn't. I'm in the same position as @Xemnas - on Tier 18 and I've still got some fights to go to complete that. So I'll hold off on claiming my DM rewards until tomorrow morning, when I'll have finished Tier 18, then claim them (and the Koban) completing Tier 19, and then move straight on to Tier 20.
  2. +1 - I'm in D2 and people just don't seem to be using the Awakening system (yet). I'm unusual that I have. I'm also sure it's different in D3 where there are a lot more competitive players.
  3. Also be aware that there is a difference in power required between the 3 PoP. See - https://harem-battle.club/wiki/Harem-Heroes/HH:Places-of-Power Goblins: Master of Shadows is far and away the cheapest, then Part Time Purifiers then Kinks on Air, which at Level 10 costs almost twice as much as Goblins. So if you're tight on your available girls, its better to upgrade Goblins first and so on.
  4. 100% upgrade the PoP - you're correct that the drop rates have moved a bit recently, but regardless this has still been the best resource source in the game. If the 10xGP has been reduced, the 1xMP has been increased and they get you boosters and free girls. I made the mistake of waiting too long to do that and now see clearly that it was a mistake!
  5. Out of interest, have you reverted to collecting your Harem cash? I'm certainly not seeing my stash growing. Spending only on buying XP/Aff, upgrading stats on level-ups and upgrading girls, my balance is down around 250mil since the Ymen nerf (that includes completely upgrading one Mythic). That said, I haven't had a sell items DC yet. While I realise that these won't be nearly as big a jump as they used to be, I'd still expect it to take a big chunk out of that loss. I also have record levels of 10xGPs stashed (though I think the drop rate on them may have been reduced to up the MP drop rate). And I do have ~3 billion, so I can afford to let that ebb a little while finding the new equilibrum.
  6. And I think this is the crux of the discussion. How quickly you feel that Mythics will make 5*s irrelevant. I do agree that 5* are on the path to irrelevance, but I think this is likely at least 2 years away. Until that point they are still important and will frequently make up the bulk of the top 7. I thought that might be why your figures were so high, which is why I commented on variance and having significantly more than I need before starting any of the events. I 100% agree - you should never start a MD event with only just enough to cover what it is expected to cost. Having 50% more is smart. Personally, I like to keep a cushion of 100% more than I should need.
  7. Assume a 6% drop rate (it's actually a little higher than this from what I've seen), meaning that we need 1667 Combativity total for 100 drops. Add in SP booster x5, meaning that we only need 834 Combativity as we need half as many drops. I started the last MD with 150 Combativity banked, and over the course of the 3 days had another 142 in natural regens (this included some DC Combativity which admittedly is gone now, but still only accounts for ~10). This means that I needed an extra 542 Combativity. At 1.8 Koban/Combativity, that's 976 Koban + (5x90) for the SP boosters, giving an average cost per Mythic of 1426 Koban (or 8556 HH). I think you might be over-estimating the cost for MD a little. I do accept that this is when everything aligns with mathematical expectation - so you will have instances where it costs a good bit more and times, like this month for me, where it costs less - but I always have a significant bank of Kobans saved up anyway, so I'm happy to eat that variance knowing that in the long run the price will work out at around 1426 Kobans/month for the Mythic girl. [EDIT - I forgot to add on the 24 for the 3x50 to burn through the 150 saved Combativity right at the start to get the natural regens running - so actual total 1450] I understand your point here. However, there's a paradoxical conundrum in either extreme. As things stand, my ability to hold my own in D2 is currently closely correlated with the number of top 7 girls I can field in a given week. If I can field 4, I'm very strong and will have to try and intentionally weaken myself to use all fights. If I can field 3, it's a comfortable week. Less that 3 and I'll have to plan to ensure I can remain in the top 30. It's not quite as cut and dry as that, but that's a reasonable rule of thumb. Having those top 7 girls is almost exclusively a function of which 6/5* you have available. By sacrificing picking up 5* to increase the number of extra 3* you get, your significantly reduce the chances of being able to field a strong selection of the top 7 but gain the passive bonuses. Either direction you go, you lose one benefit and gain another. It really comes down to which benefit you think is stronger or finding the best middle ground between the two. And as I hadn't expected to be really competitive in D3 for another 18 months (when I'd be expecting to hit around Level 440), the pacing for hitting max passive bonuses aligns fairly neatly this way. As to the '7 Mythics to win' strategy - as I mentioned above, I appreciate that this is the right strategy for the current version of the game as Blessings are made redundant by Level 750 girls, but I strongly suspect that this dynamic is going to shift in the next 6 months. Blessings created demand for all Mythics by making every one of them valuable on different weeks. Commercially it would be a very bad idea for KK to undermine this dynamic after creating it. As such I think basing long term planning on the assumption that the current 7 Mythics to dominate (that's just begging for a Lord or the Rings parody hehe) is going to remain in place does not seem wise to me. Blessings will (imo) end up getting an overhaul to ensure that it is non-optimal to sit with a static team of 7 Mythics. Commercially it's logical that will happen. I wouldn't like to pin this down too much and my recollection would likely make me a lier 😛 But here you go: 316/12 = 26.33... I would guess that this may have been padded by 1* - removing these reduces that total to around 21 - but 1* are still getting pumped out so completely removing them isn't entirely accurate, and my lack of Pachinko play at the MP/EP level had artifically reduced my collection speed as well. I'd guess that 26 isn't far off accurate.
  8. Good point, well made. I only now realise I'd simply copied bad habit from elsewhere. 'MP' it is from now on.
  9. These sorts of calculations are really useful. If you're going to stick to those sorts of schedules. But reality gets in the way and winning everything isn't always possible. In terms of the league, not only is not even vaguely possible for me to win all of my battles, I actually have to be careful and manage my wins/losses to ensure I don't promote right now. I think I might be able to hit higher rewards in D3 right now, but not higher XP. So I want to stay in D2 for a while. Seasons - I've actually taken to not playing at the start of the month to save the previous month's Kisses for the KC. A step past that though, once I hit tier 51 I stop playing. This is to allow others to move past me and ensure that when the PoA comes along I get easy wins for all the PvP tiers. So the above will absolutely impact Gem accrual negatively. But then there's the potential positives. For instance, I have a huge bank of MyP orbs (comparatively, but not to the veterans lol) and my gut feeling is that the drop rate on the PoP has been increased on these. Consequently, in a short time I'll start playing these again (which will be great for my booster stash!!!). And I think other sources of Gems are likely to turn up in the near future. These sorts of variables make assessing the Gems that I will be able to pick up in the short to mid term tough. Hence wanting to get a little more real world information before either spending excessively or panicking about the potential shortfall. ------------------------------------------------ Koban income: League - 226/week = ~32/day = 960/30 day month Daily Missions - 25/day = 750/month That already covers the MD with some to spare (assuming full SP booster usage). Seasons - 65/month (I know this varies - I've went with this month which I think is a low month) Daily Calendar - 25/month Classic Even - I'm not sure exactly but at 9 days I'd estimate at least an additional 100/month Orgy Days - Again not sure exactly, but 5 days 50/month TPoP - This has been reduced a lot recently by the dilution of the good TPoP, but I'd still estimate around 3/day, so 90/month That would be 2040/month (12240 for HH), which would actually just about cover both MD (~1500) and LD (~550) on an 'average' amount of Combativity used on each. Though I will admit that this month may be giving me a false sense of security as I received an insanely good drop rate on MD this month (9.65%) which meant I actually got Undercover Valentina for only 906 Koban (5436 HH). That's left me with a lot extra this month. Counter to that though - LD is only every second month, so you could half the cost and bank the extra Kobans as savings. I don't spend Kobans on OD. I understand that these are a cheap way to pick-up lots of girls, but already managing around 26/month (and I've shorted that figure by not spending MyP or EP at all for about 5-6 months now). A harem of ~800 is required to max out the passive bonuses. That's 18 months away at the current rate. I'm not sweating this. The 'gotta catch 'em all' thing doesn't really rank highly on my priorities. 3* are a nice extra if you can get them in case they come up in the double Blessed category, but not critical to sustaining a high level of performance imo. And then you have the Daily Contests. I'm in a good timezone for these and have a very flexible work schedule, so I do well placing top 4 most days. So these come in over and above what I get above. If these crashed out - which I fully expect them to at Level 400, at least for a time - I should still have enough to engage both events as long as they are still useful to me. ---------------------------------------------- Using my current strategy I estimate I'll break 450 naturally sometime in January (hopefully early) next year. And I agree - 5*s have a limited shelf life given the ever growing pool of Mythics. There reaches a point where, having picked-up enough Mythics and the overall pool of Mythics having expanded significantly, that 5*s stop being relevant. The idea behind getting them at the present time is they are still very useful right now and will be for the next few years (you need a large bank of Mythics to cover all the Blessing combinations and as that only increases by 1/month it's going to take a long time to reach saturation). No necessarily wrong. In fact, more likely to be right than me given the additional game experience you have. It's just not really possible to say for certain. There is a mathematically optimal strategy to this game. But everyone here is just making educated guesses at it. There are far to many moving parts to intuit the correct strategy exactly and not enough incentive for someone to actually spend the likely months of work it would take to creat a simulator to test the different game approaches to assert as fact which is the best approach. And beyond this, we all overlay our own preferences on the strategies that we choose. If I'm interpreting correctly, you place more emphasis on maxing the passive boosters while I place more on having the strongest girls available to catch the relevant Blessings. I wouldn't go as far as asserting either approach is correct in fact, they're just differing approaches.
  10. Is anyone else getting the sense that the drop rate for MyP in PoP has been increased significantly?
  11. Apologies Bomba - I clearly haven't communicated well in this exchange. I've not been suggesting that MD is the 'best' choice for any player when it comes to Koban spend (which is what this thread is really about and as such what I should have stuck to). I've been comparing the LD vs the PoA. I think I could probably afford that now, but if not at approximately 2 levels/week, 385 is 13 weeks away. 3 months. In that time I'll pick-up and max 3 Mythics (6k each) and between 4-6 5* Legendaries (5k each), which already covers the bulk of this jump. So yeah, I would be okay with that. Book - these are always going to be a bottle neck and I appreciate what you're saying about how the expense escalates as the level increase. But for the near future at least I'm confident that I can afford to keep levelling up girls as needed. If I was trying to break an Awakening barrier - involving maxing lots of girls at once - then this would become a major problem. But with a patient approach the girls necessary to pass the barrier reach it then you move on. Gifts - I'd estimate I can manage to upgrade a Mythic and a couple of 5*s/month. I do reset the shop when I get up during the night though, meaning I get around 3.5-3.8 shop refreshes/day. That's probably more than most. It also discounts any other sources of Affection (like pachinko as I haven't really used that in months). The way I look at this particular bottle neck is that even if I can't upgrade them all, as long as I have them on hand, I can pick and choose which to upgrade when I need them. Once they're upgraded they're upgraded for life. Gems - I'm still feeling out how significant this bottleneck is. It's huge if you try and rush moving up Awakening levels immediately. It remains to be seen if I can sustain the strategy discussed in the mid term. Long term some changes will likely need to be made. PoA - I would agree if this was giving you a lot of resources to address the above bottlenecks, but it only gives Gems and it remains to be seen how far those Gems will stretch. If Gems become the principal bottle neck and PoA becomes one of the most significant sources for them re-evaluating the value of PoA is a must. I completely agree that there is an end point to the value of 5*s and that having the Mythics becomes more and more critical as time passes. [Side note - this creates another dynamic that ultimately ensures the older players will always be the top players - even where there were Mythic revival events, these girls are so expensive that catching up to a player who has 36 Mythics already from Level 0 is simply never going to happen.] But the redundancy of 5*s is going to be a very slow errosion over the course of the next few years. In the interim having the 5* is a real boon. So the priority should always be to get and upgrade every Mythic you can. But you can only get one Mythic a month and if you're going to have Koban left over...... Well to me it's a choice between getting some 5* or shop refreshes to get through more experience/gifts. Both have advantages. I just wouldn't spend Koban on 3* girls......
  12. Spot on - why have only one when you can have 2? LC is a no-brainer pick-up each month. So it's fair to say then that you feel the level benefits will make the Blessings obsolete? I can certainly see the top small percentage of players sinking resources into 7 Mythic at Level 750 and ignoring the Blessings, but if that starts happening I'd be very confident that KK are going to tweak the system to make Blessings more important again. I like the Blessing system, but beyond that this is the primary economic driver for KK now. If that stops being the case, we revert to a system with an artifical cap on the number of top tier girls you need (7 Mythics and done). That would pull the carpet out from under the demand that KK are trying to make for everyone to need every Mythic. If left as things are, I think you're likely right. And the huge resources needed to get 7 Mythics to 750 makes the strategy you suggest correct. I would suggest though that there will be changes to come to move us back closer to the Blessing priority system or more of a middle ground where Blessings become relevant again. That would be my gut instinct on this. I'm not chasing level 750 right now as I'm no where near in a position to get even close (not being grandfathered in at 450+), so I'm pacing things to see what happens next.
  13. Not quite. I'm already saying that I *can* afford the Mythic girls. In fact they would be second on my recommendation to any player after PoP. So this is really a question of balancing (the frequency of benefit of having any 5* Legendary in your team + the passive bonus) vs ((the frequency of benefit of having any 3* in your team) x the number of extra 3*s + the passive bonus). As I pointed out above, you're getting around 3x3* girls from the PoA. But you could actually afford 2 LD for the same price. So if you're choosing between PoA and LD in terms of investment you are choosing between those two options with some additional benefits - the Combativity could save you some Koban on the next MD, and some Ymen, a few 10xGP, tickets and gems from the PoA and some Kobans leftover from LD. The other benefits from either aren't enough to get you another girl. So which is going to help you more - the +3 for passive bonuses and 3x3*s or the +2 for passive bonuses and 2x5*? And that's the assessment that any player, regardless of level, has to make if they are deciding whether it's better to spend Kobans on opening the bonus on PoA or engaging with LD. Not LD vs anything else, just specifically PoA vs LD. (I would have looked at the spreadsheet, but as far as I'm aware it keeps a log of what the Blessings have been but not the top 7 team for each week so I wouldn't be confident asserting what the frequencies are at this point) I need a little more time to assert as a certainty, but at level 358 and finishing 16-30 in D2 I'm confident I can afford MD and - based on a LD ever second month - LD as well. Though I am very aggressive in limiting my Koban spending and don't spend on other events. If you're going on PoA or spending on other events then that would be the difference I guess.
  14. @Bomba (Sorry @DvDivXXX - I didn't intend to post twice in a row, but it wouldn't let me edit in quotes) The question I would pose in response would be 'How long will that take?' You may miss some 3* if KK sticks to their one use policy, but how often will those 3* actually make your team vs how many times would the 5* have made your team in the years it is likely to take on average to pick her up from MyP? Perhaps @zoopokemon who maintains that fantastic spreadsheet could give us an average of the frequency of occurrance to date of any given 5* Legendary vs any given 3*? I'm confident that the average frequency of occurrance will show that the 5* would come up several times a year with a 3* faaar less, but I'd be willing to be proven wrong on that. This wasn't the point I was trying to communicate. Of course there are other rarity girls that are useful. The ladder of priorities for upgrading for me is: - Whichever girls give me the strongest team this week - Whichever girls give me the strongest team next week (break - I will deal with the above regardless of contests, below I'll only go to when there are contests where spending the XP gives an additional benefit) - Mythic - Legendary 5*s (5.5s first) - Epic 5*s - Rare 5*s - Common/Starting 5*s I'm not advocating ignoring the common girls. I am saying that I ignore anything less than 5*s unless they are of benefit to my team on any given week. This is contrary to others who are advocating upgrading 1* commons because they're cheap to allow them to break through the Awakening barriers so that they can advance further. I'm happy to wait at the present time and see the strongest girls upgraded first. That may change as time passes, but for the moment, with a harem that's almost entirely above level 350 (other than 1*s that don't appear in the Champions rotations) it's entirely possible to focus on building up the top girls to break the next Awakening barrier. A couple of months is likely to see that achieved.
  15. Hi DvDivXXX, I think you're perhaps extending some of what was posted above beyond what was intended. That's good to know. Thanks! I realise this, but was looking specifically at the LD from the last 12 months to give a real world example of how long it can take to pick-up a 5* that you miss on LD from MyP. The real world example being that none of the 5*s from the last 12 months have appeared in the MyP yet. I'm a big supporter of targeting your MyP play specifically to pick out the 5* (where the player has a large bank of players still in MyP). I've actually hoarded MyP orbs for several months now (~650) to ensure that when 5*s come up I can guarantee grabbing them. During that process I've managed to pick-up Sponsor Sara Jay, Golden Bunny, Silver Lupa and I could have grabbed Sai as well (I got her a few days before on the LD as I wanted to burn my DT on 5 stars). Again though, the point I was trying to make was that by skipping the LD you are likely to end up waiting years before you can grab all these girls in MyP. That most certainly was not the point I was trying to convey, though I do disagree with you in terms of the 'necessity' of LD. MD is the clear winner overall imo. There's no arguements on that front. Anyone saying otherwise likely isn't really competitive on the PvP. I would skip all other events to prioritise MD, though I do understand that this is a subjective opinion. But I would put LD immediately below MD. Yes you can get girls cheaper in terms of Kobans via other events, but the girls simply aren't even remotely as good. 5* are a long long way behind the Mythics. But the NEW Legendaries coming out with LD are of the 5.5 variety now. 3* are, imo, even further behind 5* than 5* are behind Mythics in terms of how often they are likely to contribute to an optimum team. And again, I would stress that this is my opinion and I accept that yours may differ in terms of how to approach the events, but the frequency with which 5* Legendaries end in the top 7 girls for any given week is so much higher than any given 3* that I'd rather than one 5* than several 3*s. With regard to progressing faster - I think there's a discussion to be had with regard to which begats strength faster: gaining as many girls as quickly as possible or gaining fewer but stronger girls. I fall in the latter camp, but I would say that the truth likely falls somewhere in the middle. If you manage to get 700 girls but nothing better than a 5* rare, the number of girls isn't going to help you be competitive. Likewise only having 30 girls but having them all be 6/5* Legendary+, you'll be able to form stronger teams more regularly, but are going to have weaker base stats. Both of these are extreme examples that are unlikely to occur, they are simply used to make a point. I'm a year in, 100% f2p at Level 358, with 316 girls, 4 Mythics and 27 Legendary 5*. I'm very comfortably managing 16-30 in D2 every week. I have to plan carefully not to promote (following advice you provided previously regarding balancing the XP in the leagues). I could have had probably up to 50 more girls over the year if I'd went for fewer of the Legendary 5*s (and not hoarded orbs so aggressively), but a principal reason that I'm managing to compete comfortably in the 2nd top division is that I usually have to hand a decent number of the top 7 girls due to having so many Legendary 5*s. They are the backbone that allows me to compete despite there being very few players of lower level than me in D2 (only 4 this week which is about the norm). Oh, and I completely agree - PoP are the thing that every player should prioritise. They come top of the stack for me, even above MD. I disagree here not because I disagree, but because it doesn't take into account the non-PvP approach and as such wasn't what I was trying to convey. I completely get what you're saying, but there are a lot of players who are 'just here for the story' and who actively avoid the PvP aspects of the game. I, personally, don't really get it, but I accept that many people do think down this line. Talking about PvP for those players is a non-starter. They don't want to interact with other users at all. So accepting they just won't engage with this part of the game, for them unlocking scenes becomes the focus. 5*s carry little benefit for a player approaching the game in this manner, and more cheaper 3* is the better way for them to go. Yes, they could likely achieve more of that if they engaged with PvP, but that's not something they're going to do. And I was NOT saying that LD is essential to being competitive. MD are. I was saying that I think picking up the new 5* Legendary that comes with the LD is a better way to get competitive quicker than PoA or even OD in terms of Koban investment. The 5* girls are simply a lot more useful and have greater impact on your ability to compete. I haven't until this point picked up every LD girl, but now that I have PoP maxed and can comfortably pick-up the Mythic girl each month with excess Kobans to spare, I will be looking to do so from this point on. PoA would for me come after that but only once I can comfortably secure Kobans beyond what was required for MD and LD. Quality over quantity has been a successful strategy for me up till now.
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