Chthugha Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 The simple reason most likely is that these villains were ready. You have to create a concept for the tier 2 villain. Finalmecia was ready because of the clicker game, Roko they just recoloured, Jackson's Crew --> Jackson is also a logical transition, Donatien's outfit for tier 2 looks very familiar (maybe from later in the story?). So the only real design was tier 2 and 3 DL, which we will all agree on is very useful to be in the first batch. All in all, it doesn't really matter. Every choice would have been "the wrong one" for some people. They made a mix to cater to more than one group of players. The others will follow in early 2020 (so count on 2021). For me, I just take the chance to battle a higher tier when it is available. The girls won't go anywhere, and soon enough every villain will have an additional tier. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator DvDivXXX Posted December 28, 2019 Moderator Share Posted December 28, 2019 3 hours ago, _shal_ said: There are tons of players at the end of the game story who didn't have any meaningful target for villain battles once the latest world's villains are taken care of. [...] (Also, if you don't think Donatien should have been a priority, you may want to reconsider once you've seen the next three events...) Hopefully, there are even more players who haven't finished the game yet than those who already have... ^^ Regardless, I fail to see how your point goes against mine. For players who have already cleared all Tier 1 girls (and/or collected every past event girls), new tiers on any boss should be a good thing. New content is new content. So why not start with the weakest bosses, which would have been the most helpful for players at large? As for Donatien, well, Kinkoid are also the ones who choose which villains to place event girls on. Had they chosen to give new tiers to, say, Ninja Spy instead of Donatien, they could also have chosen to use him instead of Donatien for upcoming events. 2 hours ago, Chthugha said: The simple reason most likely is that these villains were ready. That makes sense. Knowing them, it's actually a more likely reason for these choices than anything having to do with strategy from a player's perspective. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_shal_ Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, DvDivXXX said: Regardless, I fail to see how your point goes against mine. For players who have already cleared all Tier 1 girls (and/or collected every past event girls), new tiers on any boss should be a good thing. New content is new content. So why not start with the weakest bosses, which would have been the most helpful for players at large? Because the low villains will always get plenty of appearances during events when players can go for both event girls and tier girls at the same time, making it undesirable to hit such villains outside of events because that wastes future opportunities to double-dip. I'll quite happily wait for Ninja spy to get his tier 2 at a later date in order to have Finalmecia available to battle now. There will be lots of event time to obtain Ninja spy's new girl once she's available (also for newer players, not just veterans), while I simply won't get back combativity I have to spend unproductively today. I honestly don't think you realize how the game changes once all regular (tier 1) villain girls have been obtained. I'm not there at the moment due to world 13, but the end is already in sight again, and it will come long before world 13 has finished releasing (~50% shards obtained right now with maybe 30% of the world available), so having some high villain with a new girl to alternate with Pandora at this time is very appreciated by me. Edited December 28, 2019 by _shal_ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_shal_ Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 (edited) 44 minutes ago, _shal_ said: There will be lots of event time to obtain Ninja spy's new girl once she's available (also for newer players, not just veterans) ... Just to add in support of that point, the event villains for the 12 new events of 2019: January: Dark Lord, Donatien February: Ninja spy, Edwarda March: Gruntt, Donatien(2) April: Ninja spy(2), Donatien(3) May: Ninja spy(3), Donatien(4) June: Edwarda(2), Donatien(5) July: Gruntt(2), Donatien(6) August: Edwarda(3), Silvanus September: Ninja spy(4), Gruntt(3) October: Dark Lord(2), Silvanus(2) November: Edwarda(4), Donatien(7) December: Ninja spy(5), Gruntt(4) => 2x Dark Lord, 5x Ninja spy, 4x Gruntt, 4x Edwarda, 7x Donatien, 2x Silvanus I don't expect 2020 to be markedly different, other than maybe more Silvanus and less Donatien. Plenty of time to obtain future tier 2 girls on Ninja spy, Gruntt and Edwarda. Edited December 28, 2019 by _shal_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chthugha Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 And that is without taking special events (epic days, legendary days and anniversary) into account + possible switching of pachinko girls and villain girls in revivals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karyia Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 11 hours ago, DvDivXXX said: The concept of villain tiers is really, really great. In the long run, this makes boss fights more valuable during events, and it extends the regular game's durability by a lot, in a way that's fun and compelling in my opinion. I love the idea, and I genuinely think it improves the game in a meaningful way. Thanks for that, Kinkoid! ... 2/ Why make the Tier 2 girls 3-star epics? This might look flashy at first glance, like "oh! nice, they're giving us free epics!" but knowing the game mechanics, it's just about the least useful they could have been as regular map girls, for most if not all players. 3-star epics aren't good enough for a battle team, not even in the early game. Epics also cost a lot to upgrade but don't give a better income than lower rarities. ... Again, the idea is still great in and of itself, and at least Dark Lord's upgrade is a big improvement already. I just think the initial launch of this feature could have been done better with little to no extra work required. Here's hoping that the next villains to get extra tiers will be the relevant ones, and that perhaps you'll reconsider the usefulness of 3-star Epics on the map. Thanks for your time, and for designing and implementing this great feature, even if it's not ideal yet. Agreed. It's good both for new and veteran players. If nothing more, it's just adding value/duration to the game. I also agree that the 3 star epic might just be the worse case possible... neither big earners, nor cheap, nor especially effective for battle, comparing with the other types. But hey, maybe the next ones made available will be different 6 hours ago, Chthugha said: The simple reason most likely is that these villains were ready. You have to create a concept for the tier 2 villain. Finalmecia was ready because of the clicker game, Roko they just recoloured, Jackson's Crew --> Jackson is also a logical transition, Donatien's outfit for tier 2 looks very familiar (maybe from later in the story?). So the only real design was tier 2 and 3 DL, which we will all agree on is very useful to be in the first batch. All in all, it doesn't really matter. Every choice would have been "the wrong one" for some people. They made a mix to cater to more than one group of players. The others will follow in early 2020 (so count on 2021). For me, I just take the chance to battle a higher tier when it is available. The girls won't go anywhere, and soon enough every villain will have an additional tier. Yeah, it would be very hard to make everyone happy. I would just add that it might've been preferable to have a 2nd tier on ninja spy or gruntt instead of the 3rd tier on Dark Lord but that 3rd tier is a legendary girl, so I think it's maybe a sign of things to come and/or experimenting to see how players react. Being a "new" player, I only have access to 2 of the 5 bosses but, at the same time, 3 of the 6 girls. What I would maybe argue is the lack of more "big earners"... I just don't get enough prizes or earn enough to upgrade the higher rarity girls (epic/legendary) without pretty much stalling everything else. Anyway and all in all, I think it's a great "add-on", even if not perfectly suited to everyone (which it would never be). Let the others come! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chthugha Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 You'll finish your girls in the future. It takes everyone a lot of time to catch up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaa Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 14 hours ago, Chthugha said: You'll finish your girls in the future. It takes everyone a lot of time to catch up. absolutley, I still have girls on bremen and finalmecia (tier1/2), and I am playing since may 18, DL and Donatien tier 2 are finished thanks to epic and orgy days (to get all the girls (10 event) I had to spend around 3000k kobans (nutaku)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDuss Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Quote For Tier 2, all affection's win will be from 1 to 4 For Tier 3, all affection's win will be from 1 to 3 Sorry, but my engliush is not so good. Does this means, that the possibility to get affection points for a girl is on tier 1 higher than on tier 2 or 3? And the possibility to get affection point on tier 2 is higher than on tier 3? Or in other way: When I wanted to get affection points for an event girl like "Val Norou" at the moment from dark lord should i play with dark lord on Tier 1 instead tier 3 to get a higher chance to earn affection point? MfG MDuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeMTO Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, MDuss said: Sorry, but my engliush is not so good. Does this means, that the possibility to get affection points for a girl is on tier 1 higher than on tier 2 or 3? And the possibility to get affection point on tier 2 is higher than on tier 3? Or in other way: When I wanted to get affection points for an event girl like "Val Norou" at the moment from dark lord should i play with dark lord on Tier 1 instead tier 3 to get a higher chance to earn affection point? MfG MDuss This refers only to their normal girls. It does not affect Event Girls at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator DvDivXXX Posted February 2, 2020 Moderator Share Posted February 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, MDuss said: When I wanted to get affection points for an event girl like "Val Norou" at the moment from dark lord should i play with dark lord on Tier 1 instead tier 3 to get a higher chance to earn affection point? No. Event girls have their own drop range, independent from the regular boss girls'. What Tier you play on Dark Lord only changes which of his regular girl(s) you can get shards for, and the drop-range for them (Tier 1) or her (Tier 2 and Tier 3). It doesn't change anything for the event girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDuss Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Thx GeorgeMTO and DvDivXXX MfG MDuss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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