Spending in-game money efficiently

[mooreslife]

Hi everyone, this is Mooreslife, very nice to meet you. I have some doubts regarding how to continue my progress in the game, specifically when spending ingame money. What is the best way to go? Spending money on stats so as to improve the performance at the league and therefore get better rewards? Spending money on upgrading girls so as to collect more money daily? I'll include my information so you can give me a better advice. Thanks in advance!

• Level: 273
•  Ego: 199.336
• Girls seduced: 113
• Money: 158M
• Kobans: 19.653
• League: Sexpert III, usually end up around 16-30
• Class: Charm
• Stats: hardcore 18.453, charm 20.344, know-how 16.929

[Gremlinking]

Use your resources to get kobans and girls

Use your kobans on getting girls from events.  Don't spend kobans on Epic Days, don't Spend kobans the on first of the month 14 day event except on girls who are close to being finished at the end of the event, and don't spend kobans on Pachinko of any kind.   Spend your kobans on Orgy Days getting every possible girl, but save enough kobans for legendary Days.

As for your gold, eventually you will get enough upgraded girls that their income will pay for your level up costs, keeping your statistics at max, and to instantly upgrade new girls.

You are nowhere near that level.

An upgraded girl is a girl with three upgraded stars.  After the recent update, the girl sees a dramatic rise in total income at three stars.  Target "green" girls from events first and instantly upgrade them.  I probably wouldn't touch my new 3 star legendary girls until all other costs are paid.  Those three star legendary girls take a long time to recoup their upgrade costs.

Do buy all of the Books and Affection items that are on sale to you.  The books will help you win kobans from challenges.  

Don't worry about upgrading all of the girls in your harem for champions.  Upgrading your personal stats first has far greater impact.

Play arena with haremettes who need experience and affection.  You will lose a lot at first, but then our mojo will drop and you will get a normal win rate.

Don't spend money on gear.  Use free gear from Champions and from Red Orbs.

Save up your champions tickets all month.  The event at the end of the month will require more than a hundred.  Save your tickets for that and pop your boosters and do all of your champions at the same time.   Spending Kobans to speed up stages of that event is not advised, the event only rewards three star legendary girls that you shouldn't upgrade yet anyways.

 

[Zteev]

Since you are talking about money, I am going to assume you mean Ymen, since that's what you can spend on some of the things you mention.

I'd highly recommend upgrading girls affection to generate more income. You want to focus on starter girls, then common girls, and max those out. Once you get those done, you can move to the higher rarities.

You also want to max affection for and Charm 5 star Legendaries you have for eventual use in all forms of battle.  If you don't have 3 or more of those, then look at 5 star Rare & Epic girls in your class.

You will need to buy affection items to do that, and you also want to buy experience items (books) for those times you can gain rewards from a contest, by giving girls XP, boosting levels, or both. Eventually you will want your combat team options near to your level.

I agree with using arena to give XP & Affection to girls, up to a point. Once you get to the point where you have enough affection items to max any new girl you get, using the Omega slot for affection will save you a few smaller items, but I have found it's just easier to max the girl's affection straight away. You will always be getting XP for them from Arena, though, and it's good to have a few options to stick in the Omega slot just to get free XP. It will take far longer to get that done than affection.

I agree with Gremlinking about not buying equipment from the market, unless you find yourself constantly missing one piece of gear for a dozen levels or more. YOu should get an upgrade eventually, particulalrly from Champions. You didn't ask about Champion tickets, and without knowing details about where you currently stand there, it's hard to give advice.

[Gremlinking]

I forgot to add that half of the reason that you use the arena for affection and experience on all three slots is to tank your mojo.  With low mojo, you get matched against weak opponants and the game matchmakes you so that your w/l rate is about the same.  And, with low mojo, you can swap to your battle team for the end of month event.   This will let you complete the battle portions of the event quickly.

[blaa]

11 minutes ago, Gremlinking said:

I forgot to add that half of the reason that you use the arena for affection and experience on all three slots is to tank your mojo.  With low mojo, you get matched against weak opponants and the game matchmakes you so that your w/l rate is about the same.  And, with low mojo, you can swap to your battle team for the end of month event.   This will let you complete the battle portions of the event quickly.

I see it very often that people advise to get as less mojo as possible so that you get weak opponents drawn in your arena fights. But that's not totally true. Of course the likelihood is higher if you have just a little mojo that your opponents are weak, but it's not guranteed.

Your opponents are chosen from a range +/-1000 mojo and +/-15 level of yours. If there isnt at least 6 opponents in this range you get bots to fight and these wont have a chance against you. So, i think, one of the best setups for your arena fights are 6 bots.

For instance I am in the top200 all-time mojo since a few months(and I tried to get there as fast as possible), but since my level is so low I mostly have only some bots to fight (and if I dont, i try to gain/lose as fast as possible 1000 mojo or 15 levels), which also means I almost win every arena fight I have, which mostly guarantees my a top100 in the ToF, makes the daily arena clearing faster, the PoA-events easier, ...

All I am saying, dont weaken yourself if there are better options as a strong player.

To the topic: I am not a big fan of spending as much money on your girls as possible. I think it's only reasonable if you can collect them a few times a day, otherwise I would spend my money to improve my stats, which would help me to clear more champions (which is more items to sell) and get a better placing in the leagues.

[windia]

With Ymens I'd always 

- buy all books possible

- buy all stat upgrades possible

I would try to collect (e.g. via champions) enough Ymen to give as much gifts to girls that you end up in weekly ToF in Top100 - and maybe you can combine the affection Top100 with Ymen Top100 while buying gifts for the next round.

Just have to observer a few weeks what might be the obstacle for each Top100 and have 10% reserve.

 

The kobans:

- I'd prefer refills on bosses during events in case you would miss the boss girls otherwise.

- Take my time and do the boss fights 1x only instead 10x - unless real life tells me I have no time for it. A 10x is only 10% of a refill.

 

Edit:

- when your league reward for top4 compensates the use of 20 boosters & twice placing 16-30, then you could consider moving up and down in league. 

- Because you might need the boosters to gain Top4 (better 1st^^) and you will gain nothing following week when you demote.

- Thus I cannot tell you which league is a sweet spot for your level and strength

Edited June 9, 2020 by windia

[mooreslife]

Thanks everyone for your valuable insight! I forgot to mention some info that was relevant. I have already maxed all common girls up to Plain of Rituals, and already have a maxed up three-girl team of five-star legendaries for pvp. Right now also half my rare girls are maxed, and I have a solid stash of affection items and books. I usually buy all books that appear on the shop. I'll work on the rest of the rares then, and also on my stats. Hope everyone's having a great week!

[windia]

1 hour ago, mooreslife said:

[...] and I have a solid stash of affection items and books. I usually buy all books that appear on the shop.[...]

Wrong! 😎 And well done!  

Well, "wrong" depends on your way of collecting girls. The allowed script tells me two things: I have from each book type at least 100 - and I have to few to level out all girls I currently have.

Keep in mind that a lvl 400 legendary girl requires something like 40k XP, while a common is not much short behind with 25 k or so - having more than 200 XP for each new level at this point.

While on lvl 300 for a common girl less than 15k are required and a legendary needs ~20k...

Have a great week as well!

[mooreslife]

hace 3 minutos, windia dijo:

Wrong! 😎 And well done!  

Well, "wrong" depends on your way of collecting girls. The allowed script tells me two things: I have from each book type at least 100 - and I have to few to level out all girls I currently have.

Keep in mind that a lvl 400 legendary girl requires something like 40k XP, while a common is not much short behind with 25 k or so - having more than 200 XP for each new level at this point.

While on lvl 300 for a common girl less than 15k are required and a legendary needs ~20k...

Have a great week as well!

Hahahha, yeah, far from solid, that was pretty rookie thinking from me hahah. I'll keep bringing those numbers up high 😄

[Sir Fuck-a-Lot]

4 hours ago, blaa said:

If there isnt at least 6 opponents in this range you get bots to fight and these wont have a chance against you. So, i think, one of the best setups for your arena fights are 6 bots.

Question: how do you recognise bots?

[Darsca]

1 minute ago, Sir Fuck-a-Lot said:

Question: how do you recognise bots?

They don't have a profile page. If you click on them in Arena and the game tells you there isn't an associated hero page, it's a bot. 

[blaa]

1 hour ago, Darsca said:

They don't have a profile page. If you click on them in Arena and the game tells you there isn't an associated hero page, it's a bot. 

Yep, and most of them have 20% (or even more?) percent lower ego as you and insanely bad stats overall. They also give only one mojo each time you fight them (which could also be the same if a new player appears in your range). To be sure, you take Darscas approach.

[Chthugha]

Last time I had bots they had 1-star alpha girls. I think that is the first clue it is a bot. Very few players use a 1-star girl as lead. But that might have changed.

[blaa]

17 minutes ago, Chthugha said:

Last time I had bots they had 1-star alpha girls. I think that is the first clue it is a bot. Very few players use a 1-star girl as lead. But that might have changed.

true, good hint, and no, it hasnt changed, at least the 3 bots I have right now are all having a one star alpha

[LuxFF]

Question: there are some event girls that are only obtainable in the Pachinko, and i like 3 of them at least. So, how high is a "high chance" for one event girl when i do it? Is there some other way to obtain them?
And what are these legendary and orgy days? And what do you mean spend Kobans on them? For "Boss battle attempts" if necessary?

Edited June 10, 2020 by LuxFF

[blaa]

Just now, LuxFF said:

Question: there are some event girls that are only obtainable in the Pachinko, and i like 3 of them at least. So, how high is a "high chance" for one event girl when i do it? Is there some other way to obtain them?
And what are these legendary and orgy days? And what do you mean spend Kobans on them? For "Boss battle attempts" if necessary?

The chance is 22,5 %, they will come back some other event/time eventually, but most likely not before a year has past. LD and ED are mid-month events, where you can obtain epic and legendary girls (usually 6 epic girls (which means girls from the epic pachinko pool) and 2 leg girls (one new, one old)). Spending kobans means, that you buy combativity until you get the girl (in both events your free combativity wont be enough most of the time)

[Zteev]

On 6/10/2020 at 5:23 PM, LuxFF said:

Question: there are some event girls that are only obtainable in the Pachinko, and i like 3 of them at least. So, how high is a "high chance" for one event girl when i do it? Is there some other way to obtain them?
And what are these legendary and orgy days? And what do you mean spend Kobans on them? For "Boss battle attempts" if necessary?

Spend Kobans is certainly for boss battle refills. You want to wait until near the end, so you don't spend before you have to, unless you can do well in a contest via the spending, and break even at worst.

The best way to understand how Events work is in the wiki page for Events, which I've linked here:
https://harem-battle.club/wiki/Harem-Heroes/HH:Events

Revivals:
Look at a revival event in one tab, and then look at the original event in a new tab, and compare what's different. Often, but not always, on of the girls on a villain will be different. The girl you get from mission completely rarely, if ever comes back in one of these. No new girls here.

Legendary Days:
A new Legendary girl is available. There also may be a revival legendary girl.

Orgy days:

Numerous girls come back from various places and are all over on lots of bosses.
 

 

Edited June 14, 2020 by Zteev

[SoggyShorts]

On 6/9/2020 at 12:43 PM, windia said:

Keep in mind that a lvl 400 legendary girl requires something like 40k XP, while a common is not much short behind with 25 k or so - having more than 200 XP for each new level at this point.

While on lvl 300 for a common girl less than 15k are required and a legendary needs ~20k...

So, my question as a rote newbie, two whole days on this game, is... does it make sense (from the perspective of leveling the Haremettes) to advance in hero levels slowly?  I'm not intending to put much skin into the game, though I'll spend a little here and there (already have, and judging by the discussions, probably on the wrong stuff).

[_shal_]

32 minutes ago, SoggyShorts said:

So, my question as a rote newbie, two whole days on this game, is... does it make sense (from the perspective of leveling the Haremettes) to advance in hero levels slowly?

IMHO, definitely not.

1) Outside of the handful of girls you'll be using for PvP, levelling up girls is a totally optional pursuit in this game, and it's not worth foregoing other resources for.

2) A large share of your freely obtained kobans (the game's premium currency) will eventually come from league play, in which your results are highly dependent on your hero level and thus your XP. As the game has no catch-up mechanic, any XP you don't collect today is essentially missed forever, and you'll pay for it with decreased competitiveness in the long run.

3) The bulk of the XP in the game comes from daily missions as well as league play, so you would have to intentionally avoid doing these. However, they're also two of the four* primary ways to get kobans for free, so any attempt to avoid collecting XP in them will mean you're directly missing out on kobans as well.

* Along with event missions and contests.

[SoggyShorts]

Thanks very much for your response.  Makes sense.  So, the rhythm for a mostly-free player is to do the daily activities/missions, obsessively hit Arena and ToF, adventure with available energy, and poke bosses for missing cards?

And to bring it back on-topic, I managed to roast through the micro-purchased starter Ymen pretty fast, about 3m in 2 days.  Which seems unsustainable given that collecting + micro-purchases + porn = recipe for a vicious little wallet snake.  Most of it went into Aff and XP for the Harmettes, but I think I'm straight on that now (thanks to you and others).  What IS sustainable?  Since I'm dealing with starter cards, do I buy the common books and gifts and then scale up as my card quality improves from events and such?  I did notice that the cost per Aff or XP is exactly the same, regardless of quality, so I understand that it essentially doesn't matter much.  Just trying to work out what to buy by rote whenever I level.

[_shal_]

6 minutes ago, SoggyShorts said:

Thanks very much for your response.  Makes sense.  So, the rhythm for a mostly-free player is to do the daily activities/missions, obsessively hit Arena and ToF, adventure with available energy, and poke bosses for missing cards?

Pretty much, maybe minus the arena part. The rewards for arena wins are fairly minimal nowadays beyond the 16 wins you need for the daily quest. It's still a decent little bonus in affection and girl XP especially for a totally new player, I suppose, but the time commitment is pretty heavy if you're "serious" about it (let's say to the tune of 50+ wins per day), and I'm not sure I can really recommend that.

As for the leagues in the Tower of Fame, the general advice we give to people is: Try not to get yourself promoted to a league tier where you're totally outclassed. Spending a week where you're mostly just losing means not only low rewards, but also low XP to add insult to injury. However, for the first few weeks I would suggest just doing whatever you can - the level of competition is dreadfully low at least in the first couple of league tiers (Wanker 1 and 2) because of a ton of ultra-casual players clogging up the ranks down there, and you'll probably see yourself promoted at least to Wanker 3 without even trying if you're reasonably active. Maybe even to Sexpert 1, the fourth tier.

One thing you didn't mention: Collect the cash from your harem as frequently as you're comfortable doing. Since you're willing to spend a little money on the game, a silver card for 3 bucks per month is the single best thing to pay for in the game, with its free money collect feature. (Plus of course 1800 kobans per month as well.) If you haven't obtained 7 girls yet - you'll be getting a 3-day preview of the card when you get there.
 

6 minutes ago, SoggyShorts said:

And to bring it back on-topic, I managed to roast through the micro-purchased starter Ymen pretty fast, about 3m in 2 days.  Which seems unsustainable given that collecting + micro-purchases + porn = recipe for a vicious little wallet snake.  Most of it went into Aff and XP for the Harmettes, but I think I'm straight on that now (thanks to you and others).  What IS sustainable?  Since I'm dealing with starter cards, do I buy the common books and gifts and then scale up as my card quality improves from events and such?  I did notice that the cost per Aff or XP is exactly the same, regardless of quality, so I understand that it essentially doesn't matter much.  Just trying to work out what to buy by rote whenever I level.

You'll be short on money pretty much all the time for the first while in the game, and it probably won't get much better until you're at level 300+ (that's maybe 10 months in), maybe even 350+ these days (that'll be around 15 months, I think). But if you're sticking it out long enough you'll eventually reach a point where ymens are abundant and you won't even know what to do with them anymore. In the meantime: Focus on upgrading the affection/stars of the starting and common girls, especially the 5-star ones, because they're cheap to do and pay themselves back relatively quickly. When you've got a handle on that, make some effort to stay on top of your upgradeable stats in the market, especially the primary one that matches your hero class. And yeah, all the books and gifts are the same on a cost-per-point basis, so there's no need to follow any particular strategy there.

The Champion feature will become available once you have 10 girls and you're (just about) done with world 3, which should provide a decent ymen boost with its battle rewards. That's also the one significant part of the game for which levelling up girls beyond the PvP core makes sense, but I'm not sure how much a low-level player will need to focus on acquiring books for that.

[SoggyShorts]

Thanks for setting my expectations... around brokeness, leveling speed, and the relative importance of the different game features.  Being down here in the crumb snatcher league, I seize every crumb that comes (between other tasks; I don't stare owlishly at the screen ALL day).  I figured that Arena would eventually become a low-payoff chore beyond the daily 16, but I'm still building PvP cards, so I'm fine to do it when I can.  Meaning, LOTS.

The Champion feature became available for me this morning, but (having a decent sense of financial self-preservation), I intuited that now's too soon.  I just saw that from the cost.  Another thread mentioned hoarding tickets for the month.  I get hoarding, so I'll sit this one out for a cycle.  Also, hugely grateful for the warning about the League promotions.  Most games have a peter principle and it's nice to know about the poop pile before stepping into it with both feet.

A long-time player's assertion about the Silver card may tip me in that direction.  I've been trying not to make it muscle memory to use the preview's free collect feature (offered on day 1; I'm a fairly aggressive/assiduous collector of stuff).  I saw it as a convenience feature that I didn't want to get into the habit of paying for and I didn't know how the kobans scale (other than, "you can never have too much premium currency").  I'll ponder that.

[Тёмный Властелин]

12 hours ago, _shal_ said:

you're at level 300+ (that's maybe 10 months in)

That's a bit outdated. I started playing actively on the 8th of January (just almost precisely 6 months ago) and I am now 298 level. I am sure that I could have done better in terms of XP gain in the first months, so level 300 is pretty much accessible in 6 month's time nowadays.

[Kenrae]

I remember when the level cap was 40 🤣👴

[_shal_]

7 minutes ago, Тёмный Властелин said:

That's a bit outdated. I started playing actively on the 8th of January (just almost precisely 6 months ago) and I am now 298 level. I am sure that I could have done better in terms of XP gain in the first months, so level 300 is pretty much accessible in 6 month's time nowadays.

Oh, wow, it's accelerated more than I thought. My latest anecdotal data point was an enterprising league opponent around level 310 a little while ago, who was about 10 and a half months into the game. Come to think of it though, that player still started before the latest XP rebalancing they did last December.