Master Edward Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Hi everyone, I'm writing this post in "General discussion" because it one of the most viewed forum section. English is foreign language for me, so I will be use translator and sorry if something will be written wrong. Why this topic is created? I saw many times how players wrote about her appearance and I think too that she has some problematic places. Maybe someone ask me: "So what? Do you think something will change?" I say "Yes" because we have a proofs that devs can rework some elements. For example they updated authorization page and starting world in adventures. Besides I noticed that devs rework Jeanne (and maybe someone else, give me know about it in comments) and that's main point. Maybe we won't win this "war", but I want just one thing: feedback from devs or forum administration. I not say that devs must change her right now, just give us know that someday you will do it. Players must to know, that they can be heard. Someone wrote that devs don't check forum, if anybody can share this question to discord I will thank. I tried to write main thoughts, thank for reading. 😉 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Čamuga Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 I only answer with no because I would rather her get deleted from the game entirely. 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Edward Posted July 16, 2020 Author Share Posted July 16, 2020 51 minutes ago, Čamuga said: I only answer with no because I would rather her get deleted from the game entirely. In theory, a certain number of players already have her so this option will not work ☺️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Kenrae Posted July 16, 2020 Moderator Share Posted July 16, 2020 hace 4 minutos, Master Edward dijo: In theory, a certain number of players already have her so this option will not work ☺️ Besides, I like the idea behind her, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. The problem for me is just the execution (poor drawing, but I like curvy women). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobodyPrime Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 If she was reworked, she would be a nice girl to have 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Edward Posted July 16, 2020 Author Share Posted July 16, 2020 13 minutes ago, Kenrae said: Besides, I like the idea behind her, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. The problem for me is just the execution (poor drawing, but I like curvy women). Yeah, I don't mean that need to make very large changes (for example make Natasha thin). Just better arts: more lines, volume shadows, more details, update her hat. I don't know how it explain but when look on old and new Jeanne's art, new is really cooler, all attention focuses on her new beautiful face. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Тёмный Властелин Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 (edited) Instead of Natasha rework it is better to make a petition for the devs to deal with the HUGE server lags, that occured today 10 minutes before the reset and lasted ~40 minutes (last ~30 minutes were, somewhat, playable but still). I mean, why do you even want to redraw her in the first place? Just look at her face expression. She is happy. So you should be happy for her as well. 😉 And be proud that girls in your harem are happy 😉 Edited July 16, 2020 by Тёмный Властелин 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Edward Posted July 16, 2020 Author Share Posted July 16, 2020 14 minutes ago, Тёмный Властелин said: Instead of Natasha rework it is better to make a petition for the devs to deal with the HUGE server lags, that occured today 10 minutes before the reset and lasted ~40 minutes (last ~30 minutes were, somewhat, playable but still). I mean, why do you even want to redraw her in the first place? Just look at her face expression. She is happy. So you should be happy for her as well. 😉 And be proud that girls in your harem are happy 😉 Again, I am not saying draw everything all over again. It is enough to update as it was with Jeanne. It feels like they were drawing and, at some point, tired and say, "and so it goes". Artists are great, there are so many artworks and girls, they deserve praise, but you look at some girls and understand, well, not perfect, there is a feeling that they gave you an incomplete version. A similar situation, by the way, is with Morrigan (her legs, brrr). 😄 If we talk about lags, it's typical, everyone wants to be the last one so the server cannot cope. And as for me it’s better to look at a perfectly painted harem than be at the top-1, the kobans were and have ended, harem forever and you often visit it. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Edward Posted July 16, 2020 Author Share Posted July 16, 2020 39 minutes ago, Тёмный Властелин said: Instead of Natasha rework it is better to make a petition for the devs to deal with the HUGE server lags, that occured today 10 minutes before the reset and lasted ~40 minutes (last ~30 minutes were, somewhat, playable but still). I am not opposed to supplement this petition with other wishes, but let Natasha be the main point 😊 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Goodfellow Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 I am fine with Natasha the way she is.... it's just a different style of drawing and that is okay by me. Not all the girls have to have the same drawing style. I was fine with the look of original Jeanne too. The new style is good, however, she doesn't look like Jeanne anymore - she looks like a cosplayer playing Jeanne. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemus Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 (edited) When I first saw Natasha, the reaction was like in a picture. So if you want to feel sorry for the psyche of the players, it would certainly be nice to redraw. But, of course, they won't do it. Edited July 16, 2020 by Lemus 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falco82 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Unfortunately Natasha is just the tip of the iceberg (a rather large tip 😅). From the December event "Wicked Xmas" onwards, many horrors have been added that should be reworked. Xia, Holiday, Kryll, Polana, Minerva, Yvonne, Romantic Anita... are just a few examples of the bad works that have been given to us since KK decided to focus on quantity and not on quality. It would be nice if it was the problem of one girl only but the problem is of all the works of these bad artists to whom they have given too much space. All the characters they drew should be redone from scratch, so yes Natasha but not only. PS: Regarding the question in brackets, if we only talk about HH (and not GH) the only girl who has been completely redesigned was Jeanne, besides that, a pose of Kryll has been slightly modified and Clarisse has been recolored (but the drawings are still the same), I don't know about others variations beyond these. 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Čamuga Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Falco82 said: Unfortunately Natasha is just the tip of the iceberg (a rather large tip 😅). From the December event "Wicked Xmas" onwards, many horrors have been added that should be reworked. Xia, Holiday, Kryll, Polana, Minerva, Yvonne, Romantic Anita... are just a few examples of the bad works that have been given to us since KK decided to focus on quantity and not on quality. It would be nice if it was the problem of one girl only but the problem is of all the works of these bad artists to whom they have given too much space. All the characters they drew should be redone from scratch, so yes Natasha but not only. PS: Regarding the question in brackets, if we only talk about HH (and not GH) the only girl who has been completely redesigned was Jeanne, besides that, a pose of Kryll has been slightly modified and Clarisse has been recolored (but the drawings are still the same), I don't know about others variations beyond these. Sadly true and I fully agree. KK has lost its touch when it comes to art since their main artist had to drastically reduce his output, for whatever reason that may be (hope you're healthy Ben). Other than that, screw this art shit, writing on the forum is a waste of time anyway since Im pretty sure they dont even read this shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojot Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Falco82 said: I don't know about others variations beyond these. Malina and Bitch had drawings fixed as well. Although, not poses but affection scenes. I believe it was the first time ever for HH (unless I missed something else before that) when a drawing was redrawn due to very negative feedback from people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Edward Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 7 hours ago, Čamuga said: Sadly true and I fully agree. KK has lost its touch when it comes to art since their main artist had to drastically reduce his output, for whatever reason that may be (hope you're healthy Ben). Other than that, screw this art shit, writing on the forum is a waste of time anyway since Im pretty sure they dont even read this shit. We are trying, if the topic reaches a certain popularity, maybe there will be feedback. As for the forum, the developers may not read, but there are admins and moderators who must to communicate with the developers. There is also a discord, which I mentioned in the post. ☺️ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jelom Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) When I saw this post in the chit-chat thread some days ago https://forum.hentaiheroes.com/index.php?/topic/1438-chit-chat/&do=findComment&comment=191147 out of curiosity I visited this site https://mrxbash.pl and I found this image as the front page of one of the interviews, so now you know the inspiration for Natasha. Edited July 17, 2020 by GeorgeMTO Mod Edit: this image burns my eyes 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiel Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I felt physically bad when I saw the cg were it looked like she has 3 buttocks.😅 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeMTO Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Yeah I'm just gonna hide that image behind a spoiler so I don't have to see that again. Please no crimes against humanity @jelom 3 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlynx Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 11 hours ago, Mr.Goodfellow said: I am fine with Natasha the way she is.... it's just a different style of drawing and that is okay by me. Not all the girls have to have the same drawing style. I was fine with the look of original Jeanne too. The new style is good, however, she doesn't look like Jeanne anymore - she looks like a cosplayer playing Jeanne. #2 And I was not just okay with the old art of Jeanne, she was one of my favourites! Until the unspeakable happened. Nah, I see why people like Jeanne's new art style more, what was 'wrong' with old style (well, it was certainly... cartoonier? is that a word?), and why probably a lot of players want a rework of Natasha. That's fine with me even though I'm not one of them. But I would love to have a 'classic style'-button next to every haremette that was redrawn so I can switch to the art style that I like most. This shouldn't be much of a problem since you already have the option to select your favourite picture if you have unlocked more than one. This easy solution would pacify silly guys like me who have grown fond of certain girls and don't wanna lose them (as you said - Jeanne doesn't look like Jeanne anymore, it's a completely different person now and I'm quite unhappy with this) as well as those who want a 'higher quality' art style or whatever. And even I have to agree there are some girls (very few) that desperately need to be redone because they just look ugly. In my opinion at least. But... urgh... if every future rework looks more or less like the one example we have and I don't even get to switch to my preferred style, I'll probably leave the game. I'm just not interested in this... what should I call it... pseudo-realistic run-of-the-mill mainstream-y pornbabe-style. To say the least. I'm not saying the artist did a bad job - to the contrary! But imagine anime characters like Bunny or Ankyo would be redrawn like this. Or even worse - like Sara Jay. So - yay for reworking a few girls, especially when many players aren't happy with them. But pleeeease let me choose and don't just shitcan the old art which I as a player may or may not like better. This is just unnecessary cruelty. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jelom Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 46 minutes ago, GeorgeMTO said: Yeah I'm just gonna hide that image behind a spoiler so I don't have to see that again. Please no crimes against humanity @jelom Well, you can and you did it . I didn't though you unliked Natasha, but in this case the spoiler is not justified by the forum rules, and people deserve to know (without needing to click to open the spoiler) what style is the inspiration for her, meaning that a rework would break that style of drawing. Not every girl in the game has to be equally drawn, and some variety in over 400 girls should be welcome. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Edward Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 4 hours ago, jelom said: Well, you can and you did it . I didn't though you unliked Natasha, but in this case the spoiler is not justified by the forum rules, and people deserve to know (without needing to click to open the spoiler) what style is the inspiration for her, meaning that a rework would break that style of drawing. Not every girl in the game has to be equally drawn, and some variety in over 400 girls should be welcome. I think the image of Natasha is taken from this picture - Melony from Pokemon Shield. But Melony is much prettier. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Edward Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 5 hours ago, Moonlynx said: #2 And I was not just okay with the old art of Jeanne, she was one of my favourites! Until the unspeakable happened. Nah, I see why people like Jeanne's new art style more, what was 'wrong' with old style (well, it was certainly... cartoonier? is that a word?), and why probably a lot of players want a rework of Natasha. That's fine with me even though I'm not one of them. But I would love to have a 'classic style'-button next to every haremette that was redrawn so I can switch to the art style that I like most. This shouldn't be much of a problem since you already have the option to select your favourite picture if you have unlocked more than one. This easy solution would pacify silly guys like me who have grown fond of certain girls and don't wanna lose them (as you said - Jeanne doesn't look like Jeanne anymore, it's a completely different person now and I'm quite unhappy with this) as well as those who want a 'higher quality' art style or whatever. And even I have to agree there are some girls (very few) that desperately need to be redone because they just look ugly. In my opinion at least. But... urgh... if every future rework looks more or less like the one example we have and I don't even get to switch to my preferred style, I'll probably leave the game. I'm just not interested in this... what should I call it... pseudo-realistic run-of-the-mill mainstream-y pornbabe-style. To say the least. I'm not saying the artist did a bad job - to the contrary! But imagine anime characters like Bunny or Ankyo would be redrawn like this. Or even worse - like Sara Jay. So - yay for reworking a few girls, especially when many players aren't happy with them. But pleeeease let me choose and don't just shitcan the old art which I as a player may or may not like better. This is just unnecessary cruelty. Switching between styles is a great idea. I don’t understand why developers can’t take a break for a month, not make events, but make many small fixes and features. If they think that during this time they will lose money, then they are mistaken, they lose money when they give an unprepared product. 😉 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windia Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 20 hours ago, Тёмный Властелин said: Instead of Natasha rework it is better to make a petition for the devs to deal with the HUGE server lags, that occured today 10 minutes before the reset and lasted ~40 minutes (last ~30 minutes were, somewhat, playable but still). I mean, why do you even want to redraw her in the first place? Just look at her face expression. She is happy. So you should be happy for her as well. 😉 And be proud that girls in your harem are happy 😉 Each time I look at Ankyo I now can quote you in my mind! Thanks for saying it out loud. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linkdream Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 21 hours ago, Тёмный Властелин said: I mean, why do you even want to redraw her in the first place? Just look at her face expression. She is happy. So you should be happy for her as well. 😉 And be proud that girls in your harem are happy 😉 I dunno, she looks agonizing to me. Perhaps that deformed body of hers has something to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Lust Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) One player requested making her thinner. That's OK as long as they do not give her skeletal thin bird legs. Give her musculature like this: Like she's been working out and converted that curvy baby fat to sexiness. Yeah.....new story line. Natasha working it. Creating a new sexy self. Edited July 17, 2020 by Dr. Lust 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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