Incubys Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 If the chance to get a shard drop is the same as a piece of equipment (so 1 in 7), and then only available 4 stages out of 5, you will need to be extraordinarily lucky to get her within the 5 days (due to cooldown) without paying koban's. Let's call it what it really is, another paywall. If KK are this desperate for revenue I'm not sure why they don't just charge us koban's every time we log in, because I don't see many people paying to get her through the Champion route. oh, and for those who are saying it's easier to get her through EP, I'm guessing you've cleared out your pools. Some of us still have girls to get (personally about 70) and with orb and drop nerfs (last months orgy / epic day I got 1 girl from 102 orbs) so not an option for a lot of us 😞 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liliat Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 il y a 32 minutes, Incubys a dit : oh, and for those who are saying it's easier to get her through EP, I'm guessing you've cleared out your pools. Some of us still have girls to get (personally about 70) and with orb and drop nerfs (last months orgy / epic day I got 1 girl from 102 orbs) so not an option for a lot of us 😞 If you haven't cleared your pool, it's still easier to get "any girl" from EP compared to Champions. And that's one more step towards clearing your pool So, it's still better (Although, indeed, you can't "choose" which girl you want to obtain). But I think at this point, even Event Pachinko is still better than Champions. I believe the average cost of Ev.P is 8000 Kobans for 1 girl (22.5% drop for 1800 Kobans), whereas standard Pachinko is 5400 Kobans (Using x10 orbs; it's a lot more expensive if you use x1 Orbs). With Champions at a 1/7 Drop rate, you need to defeat 44 Champions on average (you only have 4 chances every 5 stages). You get 8 or 9 Champions "for free", using the 24h cooldown, and you need to buy the rest. That's at least 14 000 Kobans on average, plus the tickets. At 50% Drop rate, you need to defeat 13 Champions, which is "only" 4 or 5 (Or 6, tops) recharges, i.e. 1600 to 2400 Kobans (+ tickets and game time, again). If you only consider the Kobans cost, it might become interesting, especially for players with too many tickets and a platinum card (But the platinum card alone is more expensive than all these Kobans... ), or for players who are still trying to get the Champion's girl anyway. If there were other ways to obtain these shards (in parallel, not in 5 years), then I guess it would also make sense to try and grab 20-40 shards. But the chances are, these girls will return in Pachinko later, and then these 20-40 shards will be meaningless (since Pachinko is always a x100 shards drop). Getting ~5000 Affection in return is simply not worth it (5200 Affection is worth 52 Kobans). So, this new feature is a hard pass for me. Way too expensive, not worth it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator bolitho76 Posted January 2, 2022 Moderator Share Posted January 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, Liliat said: But the platinum card alone is more expensive than all these Kobans... Only if you made a naive assesment of the situation. The card gives you more than only the better performance in this case and you had to include the other advantages the card gives you in your cost-benefit calculation. But one is true: If you buy a Platinum Card with the only reason to make the Eventgirl on the Champion it's not very economical. The Champion-way to get the girl desperatly need a rework. Until an elaborate rework with the focus on playability and player kindliness it's - from my sight - an useless cash-sink. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jelom Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 35 minutes ago, Liliat said: But the chances are, these girls will return in Pachinko later, and then these 20-40 shards will be meaningless (since Pachinko is always a x100 shards drop). Not in mythic pachinko, because you can use x3 (10shards) and x6 (25 shards) orbs 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator DvDivXXX Posted January 2, 2022 Moderator Share Posted January 2, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, JustVisitingReborn said: the Champion option was an ADDITION. Nothing was taken away. That's not exactly true. Remember the big survey we had recently where they asked us to prioritize what they should devote dev resources to first? This was not even in it, but knowing them they surely spent some time working on it. And it adds nothing, except essentially a trap for players who don't read the forum, Discord etc. and will burn tickets on Whaty this month for little to no gain at all. So that's still a waste. They could have worked on something actually good and useful instead. 4 hours ago, Kaitana said: I was told a forum is a place where things can be discussed, and if you are alone with your point of view that's not a problem. But it seems on this forum it is however a problem. Here you are forced to follow the one who speaks before. That's boring, bye. This is a forum for people over the age of 18. If you're a five years old as this reaction to a nice and helpful post in which I kindly INFORMED you suggests, then you do not belong here in the first place. Thankfully, that post you somehow managed to perceive as "aggressive" (WTHF?) did prove useful for a number of other players in the discussion, so it wasn't a complete waste of my time. But yeah, if you can't understand the difference between "having an opinion" and "knowing the correct information", then you're not mentally equipped to have discussions with other people. Bye bye. 3 hours ago, Incubys said: oh, and for those who are saying it's easier to get her through EP, I'm guessing you've cleared out your pools. Some of us still have girls to get (personally about 70) and with orb and drop nerfs (last months orgy / epic day I got 1 girl from 102 orbs) so not an option for a lot of us 😞data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAPABAP///wAAACH5BAEKAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw== In that case, you're better off NOT chasing pachinko-exclusive event girls at all anyway. These girls will come back in OD, show up in MP, and they're just 3* epics for the most part. Given the choice and assuming you had 20k kobans on hand, what would you rather spend them on? The 3-star Epic on Whaty, or the Mythic girl about to arrive tomorrow? ^^ EDIT1: To be extra clear, the above paragraph is using the general "you". I'm speaking about any player who hasn't emptied their regular EP pool, not Incubys or anyone else in particular. EDIT2: @Incubys Please check your profile page and read my private message there. Your post hasn't disappeared by magic, I've removed it because it was off topic. Don't repost it. Thanks. Edited January 2, 2022 by DvDivXXX updated 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incubys Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 1 hour ago, DvDivXXX said: EDIT2: @Incubys Please check your profile page and read my private message there. Your post hasn't disappeared by magic, I've removed it because it was off topic. Don't repost it. Thanks. Apologies I honestly thought I had forgotten to hit post after typing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobick Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 For me the champion girl might become a feasible option. I need on average six tickets to defeat Whaty on non-final stages, just now got him down for the second time and stand at 40 shards already. I don't want to brag with my luck, but just say there is still a fair chance that the drop rate is significantly higher than 14.3%. Tomorrow I have to go through the final stage, but I will continue. If I end up with 40 shards? I would have been proven wrong. If I end up with 60 or 80 shards? Still fine, as I might be able to finish the girl within the next two years either in Mythic Pachinko (using 3xMyP orbs) or on a villain during orgy days. Getting on average 30 tickets per day, I would not consider spending less than 100 tickets on this excercise wasted resources (it's Whaty, of course, on Visor or Alban it would be a different picture). With currently 71 girls in my permanent Epic Pachinko pool, there is no other way to obtain the girl. As explained above by DvDivXX, I can't waste the valuable 1xEP orbs for the classic event (neither for OD), but have to keep them for LC (and the sixth PoV). Clearing the classic event and getting the chest of gems is out of my reach. Summary: As I otherwise would have simply let the girl go for the next 1-3 years, the new feature is worth considering by me. Might be at least some players around level 350-370 (sitll in their first year of playing) are in a similar situation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator bolitho76 Posted January 2, 2022 Moderator Share Posted January 2, 2022 If the dropchance is at 50% you will need in average 11 stages (shard-drop: Yes, No, Y, N, Final, Y, N, Y, N, F, Y) to get the girl. That's the main time problem and not the amount of tickets, because you need 10x a cooldown of 24 days. Additional you should have to regard that it had could be an much tougher Champ. So you should rate the whole thing with this two things in mind. I don't know how often you get girls in Mythic-Pachinko and how often there are more than one girl available, but we all know Murphys law and so a girl were you have shards on will only appear with another one you haven't any shards. So you have to storage a lot of x3 and x6 Orbs to surely get both (or all three from this roatation) with theese Orbs. It's risky to count on it. I don't want to say that your thoughts are nonsens, hell no, but to me it sounds you don't look enough on longterm consquences. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator DvDivXXX Posted January 2, 2022 Moderator Share Posted January 2, 2022 48 minutes ago, Bobick said: Might be at least some players around level 350-370 (sitll in their first year of playing) are in a similar situation. That's a good point, so for fairly "young" accounts with really weak Champions, this might be a lot easier in that regard. Except that such players are also likely to have much weaker draft pools, less omph in general, and might even still have some high-tier Champions not unlocked yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incubys Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 59 minutes ago, Bobick said: Might be at least some players around level 350-370 (sitll in their first year of playing) are in a similar situation. I'd consider myself a young account (18 months, 482 girls, Whaty @ level 6) so I can beat him in about 30 tickets. Because I've already gained Lissa and the unknown drop rate for shards I don't see it as a good bet. However I still have 3 champion girls to obtain so if the idea stays and I have a chance of two girls at the same time then it would be worth the effort. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_aralho Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Yemen rewards deem to bad been restored to Seasons level 58 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liliat Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 Citation Improvements Battles Interesting. Now, your and your opponent's stats are automatically updated when you change your team in the leagues, and when you select a different opponent (Including defense debuffs, elemental attack bonus, but not the elemental ego buff, surprisingly - could be a bug) This should make battle results a lot easier to predict, with less hidden info. I don't know if passive harem bonuses are included, but I assume they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaa Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 9 hours ago, Liliat said: Interesting. Now, your and your opponent's stats are automatically updated when you change your team in the leagues, and when you select a different opponent (Including defense debuffs, elemental attack bonus, but not the elemental ego buff, surprisingly - could be a bug) This should make battle results a lot easier to predict, with less hidden info. I don't know if passive harem bonuses are included, but I assume they are. what exactly do you mean? You sure you didnt get only a midsnapshot, something that happens for a long time already? I just checked, but there were no stats updated after changing team and selecting another opponent ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liliat Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) il y a 16 minutes, blaa a dit : I just checked, but there were no stats updated after changing team and selecting another opponent ... I checked with the same team against different opponents (With or without element bonus), and I also checked without an element bonus, but against a player with lots of Playful girls, and my defense went down when I clicked on it. In all cases, my attack or defense went up/down, just by selecting different players in the list. Edit: but I don't use any script. Maybe the scripts prevent this? Edited January 5, 2022 by Liliat 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator holymolly Posted January 5, 2022 Moderator Share Posted January 5, 2022 Oh I almost forgot to comment on this weeks patch notes: ... thats all since there isn´t really anything worth mentioning jk.. no really I mean what to say? little code changes (I suppose) well I´m not too acquainted with such things so I can´t really say anything about it and a side quest ..that´s always nice especially with Jennie 😍 Looking forward to next week´s patch notes.. I really hope we´ll get something good 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator DvDivXXX Posted January 5, 2022 Moderator Share Posted January 5, 2022 Same. Side quest looks pretty good art and theme wise (and even those I'm not a big fan of are always welcomed for the XP, gems and something worthwhile to do with my energy in between main story chapters). As for the code changes, I haven't really noticed anything different yet, using either version of the script. I haven't tried with no script, though. I can only wait for someone who speaks code fluently to comment on that one (Finder, Numbers, Tom etc.). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45026831 Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 4 hours ago, Liliat said: I checked with the same team against different opponents (With or without element bonus), and I also checked without an element bonus, but against a player with lots of Playful girls, and my defense went down when I clicked on it. In all cases, my attack or defense went up/down, just by selecting different players in the list. Edit: but I don't use any script. Maybe the scripts prevent this? Correct, this is what the patch notes mean by "unified". sun/Playful bonus is now reflected in the stats on both sides, as is domination attack bonus. Domination ego bonus is still not shown, and I'm assuming this is a bug. The remaining hidden stats now are related to crit chance, crit damage and heal-on-hit. Previously, Villains and Pantheon did this on the static pre-battle screen, while Leagues and Seasons didn't. Now they're consistent, with League and Seasons stats changing based on who you're looking at. -- Code wise, this is a nice change too. The heroLeaguesData and playerLeaguesData globals are now in the same format, consistent on mobile and desktop, and now includes complete opponent synergies! As a result, the leagues sim no longer has to assume the opponent has max harem bonuses, and is therefore much more accurate. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natstar Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 A missed chance to show if people were using boosters or not for people not using the script. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ2000 Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Maybe i'm to silly but i started to give a damn about the stats. No matter what i do, more then place 40something is not available for me in the leage. Guess i'm blessed that i allways get the hardcore players like i get them, if the fine competitions shows up where you fight in the seasons. Yeah!!! Can't wait to see my credit bill for this month! :-P Maybe i should start to become a patreon. Not quite sure what the f..k i win with this, but hey, i like to make money rain. ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator holymolly Posted January 6, 2022 Moderator Share Posted January 6, 2022 8 hours ago, CJ2000 said: Maybe i'm to silly but i started to give a damn about the stats. No matter what i do, more then place 40something is not available for me in the leage. Guess i'm blessed that i allways get the hardcore players like i get them, if the fine competitions shows up where you fight in the seasons. Yeah!!! Can't wait to see my credit bill for this month! 😛 Maybe i should start to become a patreon. Not quite sure what the f..k i win with this, but hey, i like to make money rain. ^^ is this the birth of a new whale 😮 ? No in all honesty..there are few really helpful topics/posts on the forum about league (as well as the script) I´d recommend you check those out (if you haven´t already). You might be surprised how much you can improve your league performance Also if there are any questions you can obviously ask in the Q and A section, I´m sure someone in the community will be able to help you with those 9 hours ago, 45026831 said: Correct, this is what the patch notes mean by "unified". sun/Playful bonus is now reflected in the stats on both sides, as is domination attack bonus. Domination ego bonus is still not shown, and I'm assuming this is a bug. The remaining hidden stats now are related to crit chance, crit damage and heal-on-hit. Previously, Villains and Pantheon did this on the static pre-battle screen, while Leagues and Seasons didn't. Now they're consistent, with League and Seasons stats changing based on who you're looking at. -- Code wise, this is a nice change too. The heroLeaguesData and playerLeaguesData globals are now in the same format, consistent on mobile and desktop, and now includes complete opponent synergies! As a result, the leagues sim no longer has to assume the opponent has max harem bonuses, and is therefore much more accurate. So a good change since it makes your work for the script easier ? @45026831 if so this might by a great patch afterall I mean what would we all be without people like numbers ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator DvDivXXX Posted January 12, 2022 Moderator Share Posted January 12, 2022 Quote Patch Notes Week #2 12.01.2022 Adventure New World 16 Quest 2 Adventure Release: “Full Moon”: Look out, Squishy!!! What is that girl doing, walking on the road?…Check out the latest adventure! Oh wow, it's been so long since the last time a weekly patch just contained "story mode continues", I can't even remember when that was. Good patch! Thanks. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator holymolly Posted January 12, 2022 Moderator Share Posted January 12, 2022 Wow a new patch note with nothing at all bad in it (KK new years resolutions for patch notes are probably: better safe than sorry ) Well..I´m still looking forward to the story ^^ 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Kenrae Posted January 12, 2022 Moderator Share Posted January 12, 2022 Well, if there's one thing I like about this game is the story . Besides... Dragon Quest! Yes! I knew that was Princess Leona 😍 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelinor Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 The only thing I can say about Patch Notes #2 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaa Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) new patch notes are up, let's see new quest -> great seasons animations -> dont care, some people will like it, i guess - hopefully it's not another reason to slow the game down; i would love if they put their resources in another project though QoL improvements -> great, need filter were added new league girl -> okay, nothing you can do about it, i guess (not my art style, but who cares) club leadership: were already announced yesteday -> great; not sure though if there wasnt a better way to solve the problem; sounds like a lot of work for support, especially how many players left the game the last few month survey results -> good thing first: market will be reworked, finally. Not sure how they want to implement shards/gems/orbs though, sounds like another p2w feature, massive money sink other results are quite interessting; not sure what people saw in the waifu option or in the labyrinth, but we gotta see how it turns out. Might be another koban sink, but let's wait and see. edit: what i am wondering: when will there an epic or legendary side quest again? Edited January 19, 2022 by blaa 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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