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It's either :

1 - a genuine mis-calculation of what's needed to obtain free girl for free

2 - an attempt to force players to use kobans on refreshes to obtain the free girl

Call me cynical but I know which one I think it is ....

27 minutes ago, Liliat said:

Haven't tested yet, but the goal doesn't specify you need to win. So, you might be able to spend your kisses even after completing the main path, and losing on purpose, to make PoA fights easier. I'll check that once we get the new contests.

You do get points for losing in Seasons, I'd assume same for Leagues ...

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I would be very curious to see what balancing changes they make for the second iteration of the PoVs. Its pretty apparent that noone will buy this PoV, except maybe few whales. I am assuming that Kinkoid is gathering statistics how much kobans people spend on the different events and the gap will be apparent. Obviously I have absolutely no confidence that they will make the correct decisions, but it will be interesting to see in any case.

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il y a 1 minute, 430i a dit :

I would be very curious to see what balancing changes they make for the second iteration of the PoVs. Its pretty apparent that noone will buy this PoV, except maybe few whales. I am assuming that Kinkoid is gathering statistics how much kobans people spend on the different events and the gap will be apparent. Obviously I have absolutely no confidence that they will make the correct decisions, but it will be interesting to see in any case.

Considering the PvE Top 3 was at 89k, 68k and 48k, I'm pretty sure many whales players will complete the full path no matter what. For PvE, 48k points is more than 12k Fights in 14 Days (Twice that if the fights were mostly Villains)

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I hope they will correct this terrible amount immediately and increase the collected points too. 5 Points per action or 6 are thinkeable. But I fear, they will do nothing and didn't understand the problem because not enough from them are realy active in the game as players...

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49 minutes ago, Liliat said:

Haven't tested yet, but the goal doesn't specify you need to win. So, you might be able to spend your kisses even after completing the main path, and losing on purpose, to make PoA fights easier. I'll check that once we get the new contests.

Edit: I've tried it on the test server; you also get 2 points per loss. So, don't worry about wasting fights.

Yeah and no.

For anyone saving Kisses for KC, intentional losses are not an option. Likewise, I've got ~50 banked, many from the last PoV, that I'm holding back so I can use them on PoA (given my position in D3, I prioritise taking the best fights not those with the highest chance of winning, which can make the PoA where you HAVE to get wins in certain windows tough). So even if the losses count, many players till won't be able to access them.

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PoV Objectives: TERRIBLE
I barely managed to grab the 6.25k rewards on the last day... At the cost of well over a thousand champion tickets, many extra hours of daily play to attack all my champions (making them even stronger than they already are, which isn't a good thing), and quite a lot of "fuck it I'll just throw 60 kobans at it for the x10" moments, as well as multiple "fight villain X to get shards for girl Y" events I went for (eg refilled my combativity for kobans many times) during those two weeks... My final score was something like 6.37k and I was not going to spend kobans just for those final few fists and 25 red gems. I won't be doing this again.

Back to the drawing board before this one comes back, Rosso! PLEASE. And not in five years: in a month or so.

And now...

PvP Objectives: EVEN WORSE?!!
What the holy hell, folks. Seriously? No one got around to play testing any of these, doing just a quick estimate  of what a reasonable ballpark would have been (assuming you know the features at play) OR listening to the massively negative player feedback about the previous set of Objectives being imbalanced already?

You guys just struggled with 3 different features giving you 2 to 4 points apiece? No problem. Here's one with just two features giving you just 2 points apiece...

Please be serious for a second. Being passionate amateurs and lacking experience with game design and balance is one thing. But you've been at it for over 5 years. You should have decent enough notions of your own game's main features by now. Asking us to reach multiple thousands of points by increments of TWO points is you not even trying, at this point.

1 hour ago, holymolly said:

seriously ...first the f++ uped PvE PoV now this PvP Pov ... what´s next ?

We already discussed it. Next is the Objective set based on Contests. And our concerns that they'll jump the shark yet again and make the requirements based on RANKS instead of POINTS seem more than likely by now.

Oh and then the return of the literally unplayable Pachinko PoV we already saw on the TS and which Rosso already said "might probably definitely but we'll see maybe" be reworked...

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@Noacc Could you please share our feedback and concerns with GD?

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Sucks that the pve pov ended just before legendary day 3 event started that is based on pve champs/villains as well.

If i made this pvp pov then i would have made earning points in contests count because contests are pvp you are competing against other players for top spots.

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The last PoV was terrible this one is even worse and I´m afraid that the Pachinko and Contest PoV will be even worse than this one...why do they care to have a focus group, test server, feedback options, etc... if they don´t use it??

I don´t expect to get to the 6500point in every PoV heck.. I don´t even expect to get to 2,5k for free (without managing your resources but 1,8ish k points with natural regan and timing this PoV "perfectly" so that it starts one day after people spent a bunch of league fights and kisses  ??? common ....) I can  only repeat myself.. I have absolutely no clue what their trying to acchieve with this :/

 

 

Also just for the record: I´d like to say that all my complains are sorely directed to the once in "charge" and the game design team.. nothing of this feedback is directed to our great folks and CM´s like  noacc, peach and magrat,neven,,... you name them ☝️)

(yes I didn´t exclude the "big boy "from the criticism for a reason !)

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Almost forgot: on top of the aforementioned issues, there's a literal limit to the number of League fights you can even play each week. Around 300 on average. That's barely 600 points for PoV with those objectives. So 1.2k at most for normal players (less for good PvP players, ironically, because we won't throw away our chances to get a good rank in League for a few extra points in this PoV).

1.8k points is the MAXIMUM amount of points it's even POSSIBLE to get from Leagues with the current objectives. And that's assuming the highly unrealistic and ridiculously costly scenario in which a player has played zero League fights on the first day of the current League, plays all their fights for this league, the next one, AND rush their entire League on the last Thursday, which would cost them a truckload of kobans AND give them a terrible league performance. For not even  enough points to reach the bare minimum 2.5k milestone in PoV...

Seasons are technically not limited, though the more you play them the more difficult they become, and the timing of this particular PoV means you have to give up on at least one Kinky Cumpetition, AND waste an insane amount of precious resources (Kisses and, just typing it hurts, but SEASON REFILLS FOR KOBANS, which is extremely overpriced and otherwise unnecessary; that is, no one needs to do this, ever, for Seasons at least). But to even reach the bare minimum rewards even from just the Free Path of this PoV, you need to grab 1.3k points from Season fights in the next two weeks. At 2 points per fight, that's 650 fights. A refill for just TEN fights costs 216 kobans already...

Of course, all of the above is not counting the 3.6k kobans for the extra girl and bare minimum rewards (because forget about the "path" entirely, here. Reaching 2.5k points with those objectives already costs WAY more than it's worth. No one but absolute whales with no idea what they're doing will go beyond that this time around). 

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32 minutes ago, holymolly said:

it´s now 5 per fight

Okay, so... Hmmm. That makes the bare minimum rewards actually reachable from simply playing your two leagues normally and it might even be possible to grab a few "extra" rewards from finishing this KC and/or playing PoA. The full 6.5k value seems still unreasonably too expensive to reach, but that's at least acceptable.

Not retroactive, I expect? (I've just played a bunch of fights and... yeah, I'm at 46 points, so nope). Oh well. Better than nothing. Thanks, I guess.

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15 minuti fa, holymolly ha scritto:

It has been changed 😮

it´s now 5 per fight @Noacc thanks to whoever decided to actually take the feedback into account 🖤

 

well, but the points we had didn't change (I have 132 points since i used kisses from the last PoV), they should be 330 by now). Do we know if they will do anything about it?
I already tried logging out/in again

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27 minutes ago, holymolly said:

It has been changed 😮

it´s now 5 per fight @Noacc thanks to whoever decided to actually take the feedback into account 🖤

Had to do a double take on that one because I looked at test server first and that was still 2, but yay 5 on normal server 

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16 minutes ago, punj said:

 

well, but the points we had didn't change (I have 132 points since i used kisses from the last PoV), they should be 330 by now). Do we know if they will do anything about it?
I already tried logging out/in again

probably not ..I mean they have had problems with doing things retroactively in the past so pretty save to asume that those who spent their resources already have to live with it. It´s still better than living it as it was though.

 

Also my condolences to the 1st´s in the leaderboard. Must feel good bad  to be whaling 

EDIT: unfortunately there will be some kind of compensation on monday it seems  (let´s hope for 10 kisses :kek: ) :P

 

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Freshly pasted from discord: 

 

Dear, players.

At the start of the current Path of Valor we encountered an issue where the objectives did not provide enough points. 

A fix has been pushed to the live server.  
The fix will increase the potions you obtain from objectives from 2 to 5 per league or season performance.

We've taken into account how many potions have been unlocked from the duration of the bug.
 ✉️ Compensations will be sent out on Monday ✉️ 

Kind regards,
Kinkoid

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Okay... Last PVE I finished even though I wasn't playing it (I was going after other goals which somehow matched). Now after Kinkoid has had the opportunity to read player feedback and make adjustments we get crickets. Not playing it again, and I will continue to avoid this feature as long as "date rape" is implied in the feature. I don't care what the reward is, this is a line I will not cross. 

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20 hours ago, Pelinor said:

I will continue to avoid this feature as long as "date rape" is implied in the feature. I don't care what the reward is, this is a line I will not cross. 

I will help you to change your mind: In real life you gift perfume potions to your girl to increase her love towards you. Think of these game potions as the same gift. And if you still are not convinced, then think that she put that potion of lust as a perfume to awaken the lust on you.

Voilà: things reversed. B|

Edit: There are many perfumes named Lust in RL and of course they don't imply what you said.

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On 1/21/2022 at 1:12 PM, JustVisitingReborn said:

Let's also remember that it's not a good idea to use all of your natural regens on Seasons. For instance, I'll stop after completing the main path to give me better chances of getting wins during the PoA at the end of the month. Others save for KC. So the 1800 figure isn't even achievable.

 

It's better to lose on purpose than to just wait, you know.

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21 hours ago, jelom said:

I will help you to change your mind: In real life you gift perfume potions to your girl to increase her love towards you. Think of these game potions as the same gift. And if you still are not convinced, then think that she put that potion of lust as a perfume to awaken the lust on you.

Voilà: things reversed. B|

Edit: There are many perfumes named Lust in RL and of course they don't imply what you said.

Potions are ingested, perfumes are sprayed or dabbed on. A Perfume or Cologne of Attraction is very different from drugging someone else to get what you want. In RL the name of the perfume suggests the desire of the wearer. Here the suggestion is desire forced on the person.

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2 minutes ago, Pelinor said:

Potions are ingested, perfumes are sprayed or dabbed on. A Perfume or Cologne of Attraction is very different from drugging someone else to get what you want. In RL the name of the perfume suggests the desire of the wearer. Here the suggestion is desire forced on the person.

I see it more like a Viagra pill :P 

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In any case, "potion" is only there because Rosso couldn't come up with a more fitting term when he copy-pasted this concept from all the RPGs and other unrelated games he keeps taking "inspiration" from (without really asking himself whether this or that feature being cool in other types of games means it would be cool in this game). And presumably, either no one else in the team came up with a better term either, or they did and Rosso rejected their suggestion(s), or they didn't even dare or bother suggesting a name change (knowing it would be rejected).

Us players did our due diligence by pointing out this issue in our feedback. It hasn't been changed or even addressed. So... Yeah, I just call them "points", as it's what it really is, and I do my best to ignore the unfortunate implications of the term "potion of lust" making its way into the game.

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4 hours ago, DvDivXXX said:

So... Yeah, I just call them "points", as it's what it really is, and I do my best to ignore the unfortunate implications of the term "potion of lust" making its way into the game.

Easiest fix would be to change the name to "Potion of Lube". Just one word changes, and the connotation changes from being scummy to funny.

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When I say that I see them like viagra pills, is that I consider that it's the main character the one who takes the potions, not the girls. With so many girls in our harems he surely needs them to keep going.
There, problem solved :P.

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