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7 hours ago, Pelinor said:

...wasted 450 kobans...to get past the 1700 wall with a +25% boost...even with the headband...zero percent chance...Dumb...trying this with only level 700 girls...

7 hours ago, Tom208 said:

...the problem is not the level of yours girls, it's the blessings that give no interesting bonus.

Yep, even w/ the "69" 35% & Voyeur 30% (76% if both) blessings last week, I had a 178k team, but didn't attempt passing the floor 1700 wall, b/c I still saw a 0% chance, w/o a headband.  I have 45 temple energy atm.  I think it'd be smart to wait for decent blessings, during a pantheon related PoV, & at least 100 temple energy stored via leagues, like @bolitho76 did, for passing floor 1500.

On 6/24/2022 at 4:03 PM, bolitho76 said:

Matching PoV ✔️

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By then, I'd have level 750 girls (level 700 cap atm), 2 more mythic girls (I have 5), slightly higher passives, a higher player level (I'm lvl 452), better equipment, etc.  If I actually passed floors 1700-1800 in one shot, I'd make sure to store the 270-290 CP, to get a ~35% discount on some future mythic girl.

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11 hours ago, Pelinor said:

Dumb move on my part trying this with only level 700 girls...

It's more about the basically non-existent blessings this week. Definitely not the right time to bump your head against the wall... :/

I also wonder what level your Pando is at? Since the 7-girl teams, it's the first time I hear about any difficulty (however small) against her (or any other map villain, since she's the hardest). Mine's at level 846 and she has the stats of an average (unboosted) D3 opponent, but with half the HP.

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12 hours ago, DvDivXXX said:

I also wonder what level your Pando is at? Since the 7-girl teams, it's the first time I hear about any difficulty (however small) against her (or any other map villain, since she's the hardest). Mine's at level 846

You lucky dude, mine is at level 1000 right now.

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Rolled through 1500s like an unstoppable train, got up to 1600 with my triple Cordy annnnnd flat 0%.

I only have level 700 girls, this and next week are awful for bonuses (Nutaku), got Capricorn but Aquarius is far off in the distance...

 

I feel like the supporting character that bleeds out after their heroic last stand.

I think I'll just rest here for a while.

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12 minutes ago, Boulie2 said:

First try, and now i'm using what i stocked :D I'm slowly but surely getting on my way to 1500 

Why didn't you wait until we get the next PoV with PvE objective? (4 PoV points per performance in Pantheon) A good start in the PoV and you will need much less tickets to fullfill all requests in the PoV.

 

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2 main reasons:

1- i saw someone speak about the pachinko PoV, so i assumed it would follow

2- i'm on holidays so i put my brain on a hold :P 

 

And the pantheon isn't exactly the most thrilling part of this game anyway, so i tend to just check if the chances to pass are decent and forget about it after that

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The next PoV is Pachinko. The next PvE one will be in a thousand years or so (okay a month and a half, but still, that's quite a lot of time to hold especially for someone at a lower milestone like 1.1k).

PoV1: Get shards X
PoV2: Level up  (slash upgrade) your Harem X
PoV3: PvE wins +Champions +Pantheon X
PoV4: PvP wins (season & league) X
PoV5: Contests  X---- ON
PoV6: Pachinko next

Bolitho's idea is otherwise solid, I'd recommend holding back and stashing Pantheon fights in the couple of weeks leading up to the next PoV3 iteration for those who can benefit from that.

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In my situation, this is no longer relevant, unfortunately (I'm getting close to the 1,900 wall). Come to think of it, "do Pantheon battles" will become less viable as an objective sooner or later once players start reaching the finish line for it. I mean, sure, we're not quite there yet, and thankfully it's "play" not "win", but even that will technically be impossible once one actually beats the last stage.

Other than that, for some reason, I'm having a pretty bad run on this right now. I have solid odds to beat the last few (Blue) stages before the next wall but I haven't had a win in 20+ fights.

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I don't want to equip the Headband until I'm actually at the wall.

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3 hours ago, DvDivXXX said:

PoV1: Get shards X
PoV2: Level up  (slash upgrade) your Harem X
PoV3: PvE wins +Champions +Pantheon X
PoV4: PvP wins (season & league) X
PoV5: Contests  X---- ON
PoV6: Pachinko next

Is this always the looping order of the PoV?  Just for future reference.

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Alright, then this should be the PoV schedule, for the rest of the year.  I've got 73 temple worship (TW) stored atm, for the Pantheon, and I'm stuck at temple 1700.

Assuming I gain ~10 TW per week, for 6 weeks, from leagues DIII top 15, I should have ~140 TW, when the Pantheon PoV begins on Sept 30th, 2022.  That's right before an MD.  If I can pass it, then I could gain ~270 stored CP, for a nice MD discount, from floors 1701-1799.  If I can't pass the 1700 wall during those 2 weeks, then the next Pantheon PoV begins on Dec 9th, 2022.  By then, I'd have ~260 TW, and could probably just brute force my way through the wall, w/ many attempts.

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It's rather depressing that no one has beaten floor 2000 yet, but let's take a snapshot of what the leaderboards on Nutaku look like right now. Things have stabilized and worship is a non-resource at this point:

  • 1st-3rd are stuck at 2000
  • 4th-7th are stuck at 1900
  • 8th-10th are between 1801-1899
  • 11th-31st are stuck at 1800
  • 32nd-41st are between 1701-1799
  • 42nd-74th are stuck at 1700
  • 75th-94th are at 1601-1699
  • 95th-156th are stuck at 1600
  • 157th-174th are at 1501-1599
  • 175th-464th are stuck at 1500
  • 465th-515th are at 1401-1499
  • 516th-1000+ are stuck at 1400

So only 174 people have actually obtained Capricorn, making her likely the most exclusive girl in the game. A lot of people seem to have totally given up, and are just sitting a few places above their most recent wall with no further progress, likely stopping where their booster ran out. That's how it stands for me, as I didn't manage to get all the way up to 1700 until we had an unusually strong blessing week. I just have no incentive to break through any further when I know that the next significant reward tier is at floor 2000 which is functionally impossible until more power creep is introduced.

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8 minutes ago, Attirm said:

So only 174 people have actually obtained Capricorn,

+385 on hh.com

9 minutes ago, Attirm said:

making her likely the most exclusive girl in the game.

I'd really love to know how many players have already bought or are willing to buy Golden Bunny's Mom.

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6 hours ago, DvDivXXX said:

In my situation, this is no longer relevant, unfortunately (I'm getting close to the 1,900 wall).

To clarify, and perhaps mitigate some of the insanely long-term plans I see above... What I mean is that beyond a certain point, you need strong Blessings and a really strong team with counter (and 3 cordys + full mono) to even have a decent shot at beating any regular stage, not just the Walls.

So, it's nice to know that on September 13th 2028 there will be a PoV synergy. But it's much more practical and less terrifyingly sad to seize every opportunity I can get to advance even by a few Stages. ^^

It's kind of like if someone decided not to use their MPx1 orbs until a rotation with an available girl coincides with a Day 1 CbC, a Day 2 LC and a regular DC... There's patient, and then there's bat-shit crazy. It's a fine line. :ph34r:💣

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1 hour ago, Attirm said:

It's rather depressing that no one has beaten floor 2000 yet, but let's take a snapshot of what the leaderboards on Nutaku look like right now.

Thanks, this is your Nu leaderboard and my HH leaderboard combined.

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I'm one of the 87 players stuck at 1700.

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18 minutes ago, DvDivXXX said:

until a rotation with an available girl coincides with a Day 1 CbC, a Day 2 LC and a regular DC...

Wow, that'd be fuckin' awesome!  I feel like it partially happened on June 20th.  I don't remember what the DC was.

I don't think it's excessive to wait for the Pantheon PoV.  I gotta learn and apply something from Bolitho76's example.  Of course, if some opportunity to break the wall occurs sooner, I'll take it.

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il y a 30 minutes, DvDivXXX a dit :

So, it's nice to know that on September 13th 2028 there will be a PoV synergy

You're wrong, September 13th 2028 is a Wednesday while the PoV reset is a Friday. Maybe, you meant September 15th 2028? 😁

About how to spend pantheon fights, PoV is nice but I think that if you're beyond stage 1500, events when you need villains refills are better.

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8 minutes ago, Tom208 said:

You're wrong, September 13th 2028 is a Wednesday while the PoV reset is a Friday. Maybe, you meant September 15th 2028? 😁

About how to spend pantheon fights, PoV is nice but I think that if you're beyond stage 1500, events when you need villains refills are better.

Nah, he meant Sept 30th, lol.

Yeah, that's true up until you get stuck.  Floors 1500-1700 helped me get Bright Agate for 4.2k kos + 666 CP.  After you get stuck, saving the temple worship for later, is all that makes sense.

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1 hour ago, Tom208 said:

Did I reach the stage when a Headband booster is mandatory to pass trough this wall, or has anyone already completed this stage, without mythic booster?

I'm stuck at the same 1700 wall.  I reached it 2 months ago.  Back then, I had a 187.3k team, using full mono gear, 3 cords, and a headband.  My odds were 0.46%.  I did 8 fights and failed.  I figured that I'd need to do at least 3 critical hits to win, and I'd only survive up to 5 rounds.  Definitely need the headband.  I haven't seen anything but an impossible chance, w/o the headband, but it's not like I've had a team that strong since then, when legendary was blessed 35% & nose dive 30%.  I'm waiting to unlock lvl 750, and for some awesome blessings before trying again.

On 6/3/2022 at 7:03 AM, Ravi-Sama said:

🏆Pantheon Wall 1600 Destroyed🏆
(Now stuck at 1700) 🤕

  • Hazel (lvl 700) (76% Blessed) (30.7k stats)
  • Beatrix (lvl 700) (76% Blessed) (30.7k stats)
  • Tano (lvl 700) (76% Blessed) (30.1k stats)
  • Ryoko (lvl 600) (76% Blessed) (26.3k stats)
  • Demi (lvl 700) (35% Blessed) (23.4k stats)
  • Blet (lvl 700) (35% Blessed) (23.1k stats)
  • Sai Borg 777 (lvl 700) (35% Blessed) (22.9k stats)

187.3k total power!!!

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Once reaching Floor 1700, my best odds w/ 6 mono gear was 0.46%.  I used 8 temple energy I had leftover, and observed how and when I lost.  I do 94.5k dmg per atk, and 222k crits.  The floor 1700 boss does 147.4k dmg per atk, and 325k crits.  I had 673k Ego (HP), and the boss has 829k Ego.  I can only survive 4 regular attacks, or 2 crits, before getting KO'd, so I'd need to do 3 critical hits, w/ the boss never critically hitting me, to win.  I can only tank 1 critical hit from the boss, and then I'd need to do 4 critical hits in a row to win in that case, which is highly unlikely.  Out of curiosity, I input my win % chance into this probability calculator, and it says I'd need to do 151 fights at 0.46% odds, before I'd even have a 50% probability of winning.  I'm not passing Floor 1700 anytime soon, if I can't beat it w/ a HoD, 3 cordyceps, 6 mono gear, 76% blessings, and 187.3k total power.

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How much does a headband improve the chances with?
It's only 25% attack power, correct? So it does nothing defensively.

Does it just add the 25% at the end? beginning?, is it based on girl stats? or your base?
Do anyone really know? :P

I am not looking for some deep study with historgrams and whatnot; just a general overview of what it does; and what I could expect it to do for me, like would it put me into "might pass 1600 this blessing"

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