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On 8/15/2022 at 12:53 AM, DvDivXXX said:

Thanks a lot for your kind words and various nice contributions, much appreciated.

Just to be clear, you mean quitting the game on .com (I don't remember for sure if you've said it or not, but your plain forum avatar always had me guess your main account was on Nutaku), right? Or do you mean you're quitting the game, period? (If it's the latter, I'd like to make sure so I can say goodbye before you leave).

As for showing your age, I never heard of the Shining Force series, but it seems to have started in the early 90s on Sega consoles. Well, I grew up in the 80s and was a Nintendo player back then. ^^

Sorry to be slow to log back in. I mean to say I am quitting the game entirely. Too lazy to get an avatar and not sure what avatar I would get anyway. So it sounds like you're a similar age to me, good to know. I was certainly a big 8 bit Nintendo player in the late 80s and early 90's, then Sega Genesis in the 90's, but I didn't get into the newer consoles after that. Thanks again!

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3 hours ago, FGoog said:

I mean to say I am quitting the game entirely.

I see. Well, it's been a pleasure having you with us on the forum and I wish you the best IRL and in your gaming adventures beyond HH. Thanks for everything. Take care!

PS: Similar path for me except I upgdraded from NES to Super NES instead of a Sega console, briefly shared a PS1 with my siblings later on, and after that I only played games on PC for the rest of my life. ^^

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I hoped I have a chance this week, but seems like that is not the case. I'm stuck at lvl 1600 for quite some time now. With my best blessed team, all 750 and 3 cordys I only achieve a win probability of ~0,6%. I don't have good mono equippment (20 lvl under my player level), but I don't expect that this would change more than 1-2%. Maybe I have to wait for even a stronger blessing or a new feature which buffs player strength, because I see no reason to spend kobans for a mythic booster.

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3 hours ago, MrXY said:

I hoped I have a chance this week, but seems like that is not the case. I'm stuck at lvl 1600 for quite some time now. With my best blessed team, all 750 and 3 cordys I only achieve a win probability of ~0,6%. I don't have good mono equippment (20 lvl under my player level), but I don't expect that this would change more than 1-2%. Maybe I have to wait for even a stronger blessing or a new feature which buffs player strength, because I see no reason to spend kobans for a mythic booster.

You didn't use a headband yet, right?  In your position, I'd spend some GPx10s, to update my mono gear to my level.  The headband increases win odds dramatically, for temple 1600.  Two months ago, I had 7.51% odds at wall 1600, w/ a 187k team, 3 cords, headband, and 4 mono gear. 

My odds right now at wall 1700, w/o the headband, are still 0% (not X impossible though), w/ 6 mono gear, and a 185k team.  2 months ago, it was 0.46% w/ a 187k team, and a headband.  I only did 8 fights back then.  My atk was 174k two months ago, and now it's 143k w/o the headband, so it'll be ~178.75k Atk now, (+4.75k more Atk than 2 months ago). 

I'll wait for leagues to end, so I get ~10 more temple worship (123 total).  Then, level up some girls a bit more (only 4 are lvl 750), and equip the headband, to see if I have better odds.  I'll definitely use ~20 temple energy regardless, trying to break it.  I'd benefit from the extra 270 CP earned between 1700 & 1800, for either the GA or MDR.

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2 hours ago, MrXY said:

I hoped I have a chance this week, but seems like that is not the case. I'm stuck at lvl 1600 for quite some time now. With my best blessed team, all 750 and 3 cordys I only achieve a win probability of ~0,6%. I don't have good mono equippment (20 lvl under my player level), but I don't expect that this would change more than 1-2%. Maybe I have to wait for even a stronger blessing or a new feature which buffs player strength, because I see no reason to spend kobans for a mythic booster.

I was hoping to pass too, but it seems 0.24% is the best I can manage

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5 minutes ago, DvDivXXX said:

3 cordys, full mono (no HB wasted on this, obv):

As you expected.  You'd have 193.75 Atk w/ a headband.  Next week's blessings are worse than last week's for me.  A 145k team, instead of 149k.  I have a 185k team atm, so I'll give it a shot tomorrow.

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Pantheon Temple 1700 Wall Destroyed!!!

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I had 123 stored temple worship, a 187.3k balanced team, 3 cords, a headband, & 6 mono gear.  That gave me a 4.6% win chance.  It took 7 tries to win.  Then, I climbed up to the 1800 wall, in 15 min, (losing ~11 times along the way), where I had a 0.03% win chance (impossible w/o a headband), but just 6 temple worship remained.  Wall 1800 will have to wait for some other week, w/ great blessings.

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I gained 270 CP, and ~9 GPx10s.  Quickly used the 270 CP during the OD, to get 270 Xtals for the GA, within 30 min, to avoid losing CP regen.  I gained Anniversary Lenaëlle & Yulita from Bremen.  Lost the headband's effect in the process, but it served its purpose.  270 CP is normally worth 2916 kos, (2478 kos w/ the -15% discount), which is way more than the 450 kos spent on the headband.  It saved 2-2.4k kos.  As if I ranked top 15 in DIII for an extra week, or had an extra day of the GA.  Probably can't do this again for another seasonal event.

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I used this probability calculator, to see if I had over 50% probability to win, w/ 4.6% odds, and 20 temple energy.  It said 61%, so that gave me some encouragement.  I figured that w/ my 123 worship, I'd be able to reach the 1800 wall, gaining 270 CP, for the GA & OD.

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Unlocking level 750 recently, is what really helped me win, otherwise, I would've just had a 175k team.  6 of my girls got to lvl 750, and U. Valentina was stuck at lvl 731.  Mythic girls are damn expensive GXP-wise, but I was able to match my total power from 10 weeks ago.  I used some GPx10s to get more GXP, w/o spending kobans, and that also helped me update a couple of mono gear.  These Bridge +35% & Brown Eyes +25% blessings, aren't as good as the Legendary +35% & Nose Dive +30% blessings, from 10 weeks ago, but unlocking lvl 750 made up for that.  I chose to max Travel Gwenaelle, instead of Summer Geekette, and it paid off.

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I tested every mono/balanced gear combo, and 6 mono gear was w/o a doubt, the best at temples 1700 & 1800.  It could vary for you, so check it yourself.  You might find a surprising advantage, w/ a different gear combo.

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10 weeks ago (6/3/2022), I just had a 0.46% win chance, against the temple 1700 boss, but today it was 4.6%.  FYI, I had a 0% chance, before equipping the headband, (but not X impossible).  Also, 4.6% is slightly higher than @Kenrae's 4.11%, back on 6/2/2022.  Both of my teams from 6/3/2022, and today 8/18/2022, had exactly 187.3k total power, so that's not a variable.  I also used the same boosters & gear, 3 cords + a headband, and 6 mono gear.  The only things that changed, were my player level/stats, mono gear, passives, and team elements.  Mostly Ego & Atk.

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All of my passives increased, except for eccentric and playful.  Gained ~53k more ego, and ~5k more attack.  That helped me survive an extra attack, and deal slightly more dmg w/ regular attacks.  I did 2x 220.9k crits at the start, then survived x5 regular 146.7k attacks, long enough to deal 3x regular 97k attacks, and one final 220.9k crit.  I would've won anyway, w/o the 3rd crit.  The main difference between today, and 10 weeks ago, is that I couldn't survive a 5th attack before.  This time I could do 6 attacks.  My crit dmg is slightly lower at 220k vs 222k, but my regular attack dmg increased, from 94.5k to 97k.  That compensated for 1 less eccentric girl.  After the recent debates over dominatrix vs eccentric girls for the pantheon, I have to agree w/ @DvDivXXX & @Liliat, that constantly dealing an extra 2.5k dmg, is better than just a chance at 2k more dmg from a crit.

Here's a short video showing my player stats, gear, passives, boss stats, and the winning fight.  I skipped 6 fights ahead, to spare you from seeing me get crit twice.

The only thing the vid doesn't show, is the boss' crit dmg, which was 323.7k.  I had 726k ego, so if the boss crit once, then I could only survive 2 more regular 146.7k attacks, before getting KO'd on the 4th attack.  The boss has 829k ego, so in order to win in that scenario, I'd have to crit 4 times in a row, lol.  That's highly unlikely.  Thankfully, doing 2 crits, and not getting critically hit myself, was a possible path to victory this time.  I credit it to a higher Dom passive, and swapping an eccentric, for an exhibitionist girl.  Sometimes, blessings won't allow that, so I lucked out there.

Now, I'm ranked 83rd, and stuck at 1799, just like @holymolly (68th) & @FinderKeeper (74th).  Sorry, you two are the only ones I recognized.  44 of us stuck here.  Ranks 41-84, meaning just 40 players passed wall 1800 on HH.com.  Feels good, especially since I'm F2P.

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Tried to make this as comprehensive as I could, for players that get stuck at this 1700 wall in the future.  Search "1700" in this topic, to find it again, to get an idea of what it took to break the wall.

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On 8/15/2022 at 8:35 PM, SpectralCalm said:

Finally beat 1800 (Nutaku)!

 

But 1900... It's so hard. And I wasn't lucky enough to get the lucky randome in 200 tries :(

 

It remains just to continue to raise the level to 500 and wait for the next lucky blessing. There is, of course, a small chance before the end of the current blessing, but I can not rely on it.

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The gods of randomness came down from heaven and gave me this chance (and tons of wasted kobans 😢). But it was worth it:

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But the final boss is terrifying, no amount of luck will help here. I can't even theoretically imagine how to beat it.

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Holy shit, dude! I don't know what the blessings are this week on Nutaku (very strong for your girl pool, it seems), but that's damn impressive. Even more so since you're only at Player Level 458 (at least please tell me your girls are at max level?). Mad respect!

I'm still stuck on the 1900 wall for now, and I'll keep stockpiling lamps until I get an insanely favorable week.

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14 minutes ago, DvDivXXX said:

Holy shit, dude! I don't know what the blessings are this week on Nutaku (very strong for your girl pool, it seems), but that's damn impressive. Even more so since you're only at Player Level 458 (at least please tell me your girls are at max level?). Mad respect!

I'm still stuck on the 1900 wall for now, and I'll keep stockpiling lamps until I get an insanely favorable week.

Yes, all girls 750 level. But that's nothing to be proud of. I rather won at the expense of the number of attempts (around 300-350 total) and the amount of kobans spent on them + headband booster.  And, of course, a great deal of luck.

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Next week's Aquarius 40% & Grey Eyes 35% blessings aren't bad.  Definitely better than the current ones.  No double blessed L5/M6 girls though.

  • Lvl 750: 191k total power.
  • Lvl 700: 179k total power.

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If someone could manage to max out these girls to 750, they'd definitely have a chance to break some walls.  I know for sure that wall 1700 could fall, b/c I used a 187.3k team for that.  I see some decent Doms, Exhibitionists, and Sensual girls to choose from.  Good luck.

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Personally, I'd have a 153.4k team, w/o upgrading any girls.  I could make a 187.2k team, but I'd have to max out 5x L5s & an L3.  Don't have the gems/GXP for it.  Also, I don't think that'd be enough to break wall 1800.  I'll just try to max out Radka, NeonoSuccubus AbraëlBright Agate, & Pelagie, to make a 161.1k team for Leagues.  They're already high level, awakened, and would be cheaper.

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22 minutes ago, Ravi-Sama said:

Next week's Aquarius 40% & Grey Eyes 35% blessings aren't bad.  Definitely better than the current ones.  No double blessed mythic girls though.

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Nice, I have 6 of those top girls! Those are the best blessings for me in months, I should be able to get past 1100. Since I don't have most of the top Bridge girls my team sucked a few weeks ago when everyone else was going gangbusters. This should make up for it 🤩

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1 minute ago, Julius Fox said:

Nice, I have 6 of those top girls! Those are the best blessings for me in months, I should be able to get past 1100. Since I don't have most of the top Bridge girls my team sucked a few weeks ago when everyone else was going gangbusters. This should make up for it 🤩

Yeah, if those blessings work for you, 1100 will fall easily.  No doubt.

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15 hours ago, Ravi-Sama said:

Next week's Aquarius 40% & Grey Eyes 35% blessings aren't bad. 

Speak for yourself. ^^ I have neither of the two buffed Mythics, and while I technically own all of the other girls that will get blessed above non-blessed Mythic strength, only Travel Gwen and Neono are at max level in my collection. I'm definitely not going to invest gems and books in any L3 one-hit wonder, and all the L5s are very very low level in my harem (note that, aside from Avaritia, they're all quite recent additions to the game). Next week's blessings will be miserable for me in general (even in PvP), so definitely not what I'm looking for in terms of breaking the 1900 Pantheon wall. :(

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2 hours ago, DvDivXXX said:

Speak for yourself. ^^

It's not a universal set of blessings, like all legendaries or all mythics, but they do have potential.  I have about 6 of the top 7, but at lower levels as well.  That's why I'm focusing on Radka atm.  I think I'll be somewhere in the middle w/ a ~161k team.  I'd never max an L3 girl, (unless she's got dual hair/eyes, where there might be a legit advantage).  I don't think I could break 1800 w/ them, but other players could break 1700, if they invested the gems/GXP.  I need a respite from the pantheon anyway, until Sept 16th, the PoV.

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Hopefully next week will see me break thru Level 1500. Current teams are around 149k with 0%; next week 160k (higher if I can do well in CbC's this week to level the teams a bit more). Might even invest in a headband around 1st as I'll be saving CPs for MD on 3rd ....

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18 hours ago, Incubys said:

Hopefully next week will see me break thru Level 1500. Current teams are around 149k with 0%; next week 160k (higher if I can do well in CbC's this week to level the teams a bit more). Might even invest in a headband around 1st as I'll be saving CPs for MD on 3rd ....

The higher you can push their levels, the better.  I've seen players w/ a 159k team, 3 cords & a headband, that only had a 0.01% chance to break the 1500 wall.  I had a 184k team when I did, but the win chance was ~8%, which is higher than I probably needed.  Maybe it can be beaten w/ a 170k team.

Looking back at my Pantheon history:

Temple 1500

  • 5/20/2022: 146k team & 3 cords + 6 mono = 0% win chance (impossible)
  • 5/30/2022: 184.4k team & 3 cords + 6 mono = 0.04% win chance
  • 5/30/2022: 184.4k team & 3 cords + 6 mono + headband = 7.92% win chance.  2 tries to win.

Temple 1600

  • 6/3/2022: 187.3k team & 3 cords + 4 mono + headband = 7.51% win chance.  2 tries to win.

Temple 1700

  • 6/3/2022: 187.3k team & 3 cords + 6 mono + headband = 0.46% win chance (8 losses)
  • 7/4/2022: 174.5k team & 3 cords + 6 mono = 0% win chance (impossible)
  • 7/5/2022: 178.2k team & 3 cords + 6 mono = 0% win chance (impossible)
  • 8/18/2022: 187.3k team & 3 cords + 6 mono = 0% win chance (but not impossible)
  • 8/18/2022: 187.3k team & 3 cords + 6 mono + headband = 4.6% win chance.  7 tries to win.

Temple 1800

  • 8/18/2022: 187.3k team & 3 cords + 6 mono + headband = 0.03% win chance (6 losses)
  • 8/18/2022: 187.3k team & 3 cords + 6 mono = 0% win chance (impossible)

The 270 CP gained from 100 temples the Pantheon, is like a ~37% discount on a mythic girl.  Assuming, the avg drop rate is 6.8%, and it takes ~735 CP for 50 drops, w/ 5 SP.

Good luck.

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6 hours ago, DvDivXXX said:

Speak for yourself. ^^ I have neither of the two buffed Mythics, and while I technically own all of the other girls that will get blessed above non-blessed Mythic strength, only Travel Gwen and Neono are at max level in my collection. I'm definitely not going to invest gems and books in any L3 one-hit wonder, and all the L5s are very very low level in my harem (note that, aside from Avaritia, they're all quite recent additions to the game). Next week's blessings will be miserable for me in general (even in PvP), so definitely not what I'm looking for in terms of breaking the 1900 Pantheon wall. :(

 

4 hours ago, Ravi-Sama said:

It's not a universal set of blessings, like all legendaries or all mythics, but they do have potential.  I have about 6 of the top 7, but at lower levels as well.  That's why I'm focusing on Radka atm.  I think I'll be somewhere in the middle w/ a ~161k team.  I'd never max an L3 girl, (unless she's got dual hair/eyes, where there might be a legit advantage).  I don't think I could break 1800 w/ them, but other players could break 1700, if they invested the gems/GXP.  I need a respite from the pantheon anyway, until Sept 16th, the PoV.

This is one of the things that I feel makes blessings one of the most interesting parts of the game. A few weeks ago all the long term players had a huge week because there was a large swath of legacy girls who were highly blessed. Newer players, however, didn't have most of those girls so it was a meh week.

Next week, however, a lot of the newer L5s (and a recently revived Mythic) are blessed so newer players, who have probably spent a lot of their resources to level up those girls, can get a leg up on long term players who haven't focused on levelling those girls yet.

It's a nice wrinkle that makes it so that how long you've played the game isn't the only factor determining how you do.

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I'm stuck at 1500 and my head is swimming after reading lots of stuff about bonuses etc.

Is there a general approach of what to do and what to avoid?

What I think I learned so far:

  • Use 3x Legendary Cordyceps
  • Use Headband
  • Blessings might be good or meh, depending on the week
  • Dark is better than red

Unclear to me is:

  • Should I go full mono equipment of my class?
  • Should I do a 100% dark team or some mix?
  • Does it matter if the girl's class matches mine (HC)?
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First thing first: if the blessings are bad or meh, just ignore Pantheon. Don't waste time and resources.

Then when a good blessing occurs, check your win probability. If, with regular boosters, you see a non-0% chance, then it's time to think about your strategy for the week.

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Should I go full mono equipment of my class?

It depends. Ideally, you want to use the HH++ script to determine your exact chance of winning, and try with various combinations of equipment. 2 to 4 mono is usually the way to go. Full mono or full rainbow is usually not the best.

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Should I do a 100% dark team or some mix?

You want to use your strongest girls. Only include dark if you have to choose between 2 girls of similar power. The goal is to get the highest possible attack, without sacrificing the other stats too much. A stronger girl may give more attack than a weaker dark girl, and she'll also give better Defense and Ego on top (Plus whatever bonus from her non-dark element).

Again, script is key to find the sweet spot.

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Does it matter if the girl's class matches mine (HC)?

Nope.

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