mdnoria Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 With these top 8 girls, I have 2 GS5 in the opposing teams in slots 1 and 7. (girls circled in green have a GS5). Even when pushing the L5 Lenaelle in the 9th spot with another girl without a GS5, I still have a GS5 in the 7th slot of the opposing team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpicBacon Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 33 minutes ago, mdnoria said: With these top 8 girls, I have 2 GS5 in the opposing teams in slots 1 and 7. (girls circled in green have a GS5). Even when pushing the L5 Lenaelle in the 9th spot with another girl without a GS5, I still have a GS5 in the 7th slot of the opposing team. Interesting, another eccentric girl jumping spots in the laby order. Do you by chance use the 8th spot Lenaëlle in your active laby team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdnoria Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich42 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 There are lots of pictures in the spoiler! And all of them are useful for showing my way. Yesterday, I also had a GS5 girl on the opposing team and was able to track her down with a lot of money. It was “Isis Hedjouret” Fluffer 🔵 Sensual (blue). When squads are shown, they are always shown before the previous battle, as otherwise the changes would not be visible in the battle. If two or more squads are shown, there is a change that I want to show explicitly, or the area was not large enough, hence the second image. Spoiler A GS5 girl appeared on the opponent's side even though my top 7 GS5 is free. After the coins, no GS5 girl. Normal battle GS5 girls, as expected. My top 9 GS5 girls took away the GS5, no change. My top 8 GS5 girls took away the GS5, no change. My top 14 and top 25 GS5 girls, minus the GS5, a change! Ara Ara GS5 returned, no opposing GS5 girl. Ara Ara's GS5 taken away and Isis Hedjouret given a GS5, an opposing GS5 girl. Everything is reset to the beginning, except Isis Hedjouret has a GS5 of 3 to check whether the opposing girl gets Isis's GS5. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpicBacon Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 @Ich42 Very interesting. Thanks for your hard work and sorry for your spent cashdollar Very detailed step by step analysis of the run, made it really easy to follow along. This seems to suggest that @xRob91's theory about the "bugged" girl is indeed correct. He theorized that the "bugged" girl that gives the GS4 skill has to be in the players battle team. That would explain why I along with @Methos2 and @mdnoria had AraAra copied, while @Ich42 had the same thing happen with Isis Hedjouret instead. There is a new blessing this week, but If I get AraAra as a bugged girl again, I'll try to put equipment on other girls to push her down the rankings, to see if there is a cutoff point in terms of total power, or if the girl is coped no matter the value. Actually as @Methos2 mentioned in a previous post, he gets the bug about 60% of the time, so there should be a cutoff point. The question is just where it is. Good work gang. Did a run today, was able to confirm a couple of things. First off, this weeks blessings gave me a bunch of girls with skills in the top7. had to move some girl equipment around, but was unable to get all girls out of the top7. This is the top7 girls, Heavenly Lenaëlle in 8th, Aquatic Hari in 10th and AraAra in 16th are all present in my battle team. In the first battle I encountered 2 enemy girls with skills, 1st girl had GS5; due to Dark F&F in the top7 and the 3rd girl had a 4th level GS5 because of Heavenly Lenaëlle in 8th position. I purposely reset AraAra and gave her 3rd level skill to distinguish her between Heavenly Lenaëlle. I then gave AraAra several girl equip and brought her up in the power rankings. This is the new total power rankings, AraAra chilling in 8th, with Heavenly Lenaëlle in 9th. In the next updated battle; it resulted in the enemy team having 3 girls with skills. 1st girl due to Dark F&F. - 5th level GS5 3rd girl due to AraAra - 3rd level GS5 4th girl due to Heavenly Lenaëlle - 4th level GS5 I added the data of the top7 girls + the enemy team into my laby scaling spreadsheet to check the girls. The two first girls matches, then the next two does not, comparing them to AraAra and Lenaëlle however is a match, apart from the random + ego/attack value for some unknown reason. The rest of the girls does not, since AraAra and Lenaëlle is considered being in the top7. Slotting in AraAra and Lenaëlle in as girl 3 and 4 makes the rest of the girls match completely. (6th girl having more attack is due to her spawning as a dominator) I did try one more battle where I removed both AraAra and Lenaëlle from the team, and the next updated enemy only had 1 girl with skills, the 5th level one from Dark F&F. I've linked a spreadsheet to compare laby stats if anyone is interested. Laby girl compare.ods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich42 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 (edited) On 2/24/2026 at 4:00 PM, EpicBacon said: I did try one more battle where I removed both AraAra and Lenaëlle from the team, and the next updated enemy only had 1 girl with skills, the 5th level one from Dark F&F. I had my Level 3 GS5 opposing girl again. And I can confirm that if you replace the girl on your team who creates the opposing GS5 girl, there is no opposing GS5 girl. Edited February 26 by Ich42 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich42 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 (edited) See [Edit] My theory on how my girls might get more points and generate opposing GS5 girls. Maybe the girls' equipment, especially the Mystic ones with the % more attack, has a greater influence in Love Labyrinth than I thought. Namely, by a factor of 10x, or in other words, with 1.045 (in my case), I forgot a 0. It doesn't fit 100%, but I'll know more tomorrow. [Edit] The girls' equipment has nothing to do with the opposing GS5 girls. And I had to test it today, because tomorrow is a new blessing, which means everything could be new. [Edit 2] On 2/24/2026 at 4:00 PM, EpicBacon said: There is a new blessing this week, but If I get AraAra as a bugged girl again, I'll try to put equipment on other girls to push her down the rankings, to see if there is a cutoff point in terms of total power, or if the girl is coped no matter the value. I changed the girls' equipment and found this out. It didn't really get me any further, but maybe one of you has an idea. Minimal equipment until a GS5 girl arrives. Equipment until a GS5 girl arrives, but in 7th place, not 6th as usual. Equipment until a GS5 girl arrives, in 6th place. For whatever reason, it received between 21.218 and 21.452 more points, and unfortunately I can't explain why or where they came from... Edited March 1 by Ich42 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpicBacon Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 3 hours ago, Ich42 said: For whatever reason, it received between 21.218 and 21.452 more points, and unfortunately I can't explain why or where they came from... How much in percentage is the 21.218-21.452 values compared to the total power of the girl? If we know the range of the increase, maybe we can link it to something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich42 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 6 hours ago, EpicBacon said: How much in percentage is the 21.218-21.452 values compared to the total power of the girl? If we know the range of the increase, maybe we can link it to something? I miscalculated yesterday. It's a little more than ~22,000 points each. For the 7 place, (1170785+22099) = 1,888% For the 6 place, (1170785+22220) = 1,897% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpicBacon Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 8 hours ago, Ich42 said: I miscalculated yesterday. It's a little more than ~22,000 points each. For the 7 place, (1170785+22099) = 1,888% For the 6 place, (1170785+22220) = 1,897% Hmm, weird. I wonder if this is somehow connected to the strange increase in ego and attack I find on the copied girl when I compare them to the enemy team. If i recall, I had 1.78% increase in att/ego on a floor2 battle. At first I thought it could be GS3, where they get 1% attack for each consecutive battle, but that can't be it, because the bugged girl shows up at the start of the laby run, and only goes away when using a coin or revive node. The only other thing I can think of is that the girl have in common that they are all Fluffers. Wasn't there an update where fluffers heals for less or something? Maybe that update broke something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRob91 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) I successfully managed to trigger this bug with girl other than fluffer (Pleasurelock Level up Red in this case). Only Venus has GS5 in my top 7, but after putting Red in team opponent gained 2nd girl with GS5. Stats analysis gave the results as @EpicBacon's. So I'm assuming that any girl can become "phantom girl" as long as she's in your team. And about the cause of this bug - I suspect the culprit is this: After girl is put in your laby team she gains bonus from your prestige lvl (1% in my case). Then it's multiplied by opponent. 1.01 * 1.47 gives 1.4847 so exactly Liu-Yeng's ego and atk ratio. EDIT I think this really may be it. I asked a clubmate to make a test on account with prestige 6 (it gives only 0.5% ego bonus). These were the results: Opponent center girl copied his top 1 girl but with 0.5% ego bonus already applied. Edited March 3 by xRob91 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich42 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 This is already the third blessing, and I no longer believe that it is influenced by the blessing. And today she got ~18,000 more points. (1169017+18604 > 1187620) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpicBacon Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 12 hours ago, xRob91 said: I successfully managed to trigger this bug with girl other than fluffer (Pleasurelock Level up Red in this case). Only Venus has GS5 in my top 7, but after putting Red in team opponent gained 2nd girl with GS5. Stats analysis gave the results as @EpicBacon's. So I'm assuming that any girl can become "phantom girl" as long as she's in your team. And about the cause of this bug - I suspect the culprit is this: After girl is put in your laby team she gains bonus from your prestige lvl (1% in my case). Then it's multiplied by opponent. 1.01 * 1.47 gives 1.4847 so exactly Liu-Yeng's ego and atk ratio. EDIT I think this really may be it. I asked a clubmate to make a test on account with prestige 6 (it gives only 0.5% ego bonus). These were the results: Opponent center girl copied his top 1 girl but with 0.5% ego bonus already applied. Ah... completely forgot about the prestige bonus. Seeing as its only ego/att that is affected that makes perfect sense. I also only have +1% due to prestige level 7, so I have the same "bonus" as you have. That's why our results are about the same. I'll do another run to try to confirm your theory, but yeah this looks really promising. @Ich42 If you can do the same when/if you get the chance, that would be really helpful too. The more people who can confirm something, the smaller the chance that its just some random bug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methos2 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 The mysterious opposing skilled girl is back for me. This time is a common C5 girl Solveig whom I unwittingly gave GS5 to when bulbs were introduced. On Monday after blessing change, she showed up on 5th position even though she was top 33rd on the squad. Today, she was again on 5th position but she was top 8th. Removing her GS5 did make the skilled girl disappeared. This new information reaffirms my position that this bug is not impacted by roles or stat. I am also starting to doubt the whole phantom girl bug being affected by top 14 C5 or buggers. It just doesn't make sense. All of the above posts ignore an important fact that I kept pointing out. The bug appeared randomly without changing the harem stats or the player stats. 2 weeks ago, the skilled girl appeared 60% of my fights. This persisted for the entire week. This time Solveig showed up top 33rd one day, 8th the next. No amount of math is gonna explain the randomness. To understand this, you need to introduce elements that affect randomness, such as uninitialized variables, corrupted memory. It also doesn't make sense why KK code would penalize buggers or other particular characteristics. Why would role affects GS5? KK didn't implemented this on purpose. It is not a puzzle created for us to be solved. You need to think like a coder, not a detective. What would their code look like to determine ranking? How mistakes could KK have made in the code? These are the types of questions that you should be seeking. The only thing I am sure of is that I can't trust the squad ranking. Without seeing KK code, I doubt we can identify the bug completely. The good news is that we don't need to. We have ways to avoid it when it appears such as de-skilling the girl or promoting other girls with equipment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich42 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 (edited) 6 hours ago, Methos2 said: The mysterious opposing skilled girl is back for me. This time is a common C5 girl Solveig whom I unwittingly gave GS5 to when bulbs were introduced. On Monday after blessing change, she showed up on 5th position even though she was top 33rd on the squad. Today, she was again on 5th position but she was top 8th. Removing her GS5 did make the skilled girl disappeared. This new information reaffirms my position that this bug is not impacted by roles or stat. I am also starting to doubt the whole phantom girl bug being affected by top 14 C5 or buggers. It just doesn't make sense. All of the above posts ignore an important fact that I kept pointing out. The bug appeared randomly without changing the harem stats or the player stats. 2 weeks ago, the skilled girl appeared 60% of my fights. This persisted for the entire week. This time Solveig showed up top 33rd one day, 8th the next. No amount of math is gonna explain the randomness. To understand this, you need to introduce elements that affect randomness, such as uninitialized variables, corrupted memory. It also doesn't make sense why KK code would penalize buggers or other particular characteristics. Why would role affects GS5? KK didn't implemented this on purpose. It is not a puzzle created for us to be solved. You need to think like a coder, not a detective. What would their code look like to determine ranking? How mistakes could KK have made in the code? These are the types of questions that you should be seeking. The only thing I am sure of is that I can't trust the squad ranking. Without seeing KK code, I doubt we can identify the bug completely. The good news is that we don't need to. We have ways to avoid it when it appears such as de-skilling the girl or promoting other girls with equipment. Every bug discussed here has always taken days or weeks to understand. Until it was understood, it felt random until we were able to slowly narrow it down until we understood it. We are relatively far along with this “new” bug because we can provoke it and make it go away, and we know that it has something to do with the girl's total value. And that it can affect any girl and is not tied to classes or other values of the girl. That's my understanding, anyway. On 3/3/2026 at 10:16 AM, xRob91 said: I successfully managed to trigger this bug with girl other than fluffer (Pleasurelock Level up Red in this case). Only Venus has GS5 in my top 7, but after putting Red in team opponent gained 2nd girl with GS5. Stats analysis gave the results as @EpicBacon's. So I'm assuming that any girl can become "phantom girl" as long as she's in your team. And about the cause of this bug - I suspect the culprit is this: After girl is put in your laby team she gains bonus from your prestige lvl (1% in my case). Then it's multiplied by opponent. 1.01 * 1.47 gives 1.4847 so exactly Liu-Yeng's ego and atk ratio. EDIT I think this really may be it. I asked a clubmate to make a test on account with prestige 6 (it gives only 0.5% ego bonus). These were the results: Opponent center girl copied his top 1 girl but with 0.5% ego bonus already applied. 13 hours ago, EpicBacon said: Ah... completely forgot about the prestige bonus. Seeing as its only ego/att that is affected that makes perfect sense. I also only have +1% due to prestige level 7, so I have the same "bonus" as you have. That's why our results are about the same. I'll do another run to try to confirm your theory, but yeah this looks really promising. @Ich42 If you can do the same when/if you get the chance, that would be really helpful too. The more people who can confirm something, the smaller the chance that its just some random bug. Yes, I'll do that in the next run. To be honest, I wasn't sure why you wrote down the values and put them in the list. And I don't have that much time right now. Screenshot and post is fine. But I'll probably only be able to check the values and verify your theory at the weekend. That's if I've understood the theory correctly. I have a question about that. If I understand correctly, do you believe that the prestige level of each player gives the girls in the LL team more ego and attack, and therefore the girls in the LL team have a higher total value than shown in Squad? I saw this difference in points and posted it, right? Oh, and my prestige level is 10. Edited March 4 by Ich42 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRob91 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 4 hours ago, Methos2 said: The only thing I am sure of is that I can't trust the squad ranking. Without seeing KK code, I doubt we can identify the bug completely. The good news is that we don't need to. We have ways to avoid it when it appears such as de-skilling the girl or promoting other girls with equipment. Did you use Solveig in your team or did she appear out of nowhere on opponents' side? If my theory is right then it's actually pretty easy to predict how KK's code works. When generating new opponent, game copies stats from the pool of your all girls, sorted by laby power. For some unknown reason some bonuses are already applied to the girls you're currently using in laby, like roles bonuses or prestige. And when their atk/ego/def raises it also impacts their total power, shuffling girls' positions in pool. Probably it would be even possible to make a script to apply those stats changes to squad page to correct it. And about the weird Solveig's behavior: I can be wrong because it's hard to predict the situation without knowing the stats of your all girls but I see possible reason. Your top 4 girls may have much better stats than all the others (it can happen if they are tripple boosted for example), meanwhile all the others have pretty similar stats. That's why Solveig can overtake all those girls while still being behind top 4, no matter if she's 8th or 33rd. And by removing GS5 do you mean only it? Did you give her other skills again? Because otherwise she lost stats gained from GS2 and that could be the reason for her disappearing. And if you removed her from team then it makes even more sense. Also I think EpicBacon explained that bug is nullified when you step on coin bags or angel wings. There may be more things that trigger stats correction. I can agree though that top 14 C5 theory was most likely wrong and should probably be removed from guide. To show you the impact of those bonuses I tried to estimate stats of your Solveig in laby. I assumed she has optimal GS2 but no GGs. As you can see, she gained almost 50k total power. That's enough to move her quite a lot on the list. Please don't interpret my comment as me saying I'm completely right and you're wrong. We're still in the middle of testing and it's also possible you came across even different bug than the one we're analyzing. But you didn't give us enough data to prove me wrong. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich42 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 (edited) On 3/1/2026 at 9:17 PM, Ich42 said: See [Edit] My theory on how my girls might get more points and generate opposing GS5 girls. Maybe the girls' equipment, especially the Mystic ones with the % more attack, has a greater influence in Love Labyrinth than I thought. Namely, by a factor of 10x, or in other words, with 1.045 (in my case), I forgot a 0. It doesn't fit 100%, but I'll know more tomorrow. [Edit] The girls' equipment has nothing to do with the opposing GS5 girls. And I had to test it today, because tomorrow is a new blessing, which means everything could be new. [Edit 2] I changed the girls' equipment and found this out. It didn't really get me any further, but maybe one of you has an idea. Minimal equipment until a GS5 girl arrives. Equipment until a GS5 girl arrives, but in 7th place, not 6th as usual. Equipment until a GS5 girl arrives, in 6th place. For whatever reason, it received between 21.218 and 21.452 more points, and unfortunately I can't explain why or where they came from... So, using the values I already posted, I quickly calculated how many points the LL team girls should have. AND IT FITS PERFECTLY. Especially when you consider that positions 7 and 6 are only 768 points apart, which is actually very small given the high values. PLEASE CHECK MY VALUES! I've miscalculated before. So it's clear to me that this bug is now appearing: All girls in the LL team are boosted with the Prestige system, which gives them a higher value than is displayed in the squad overview. However, when calculating the next opposing battle teams in LL after a win, the boosted LL team girls are taken into account, resulting in a new squad list that is not visible. The boosted LL team girls can enter the top 7 without it being displayed in the squad overview, just like with the Dominator and (probably) Masochist. I have observed several times that the bug does not occur after coins or angel wings, and that is why I took my pictures around it. I assume that if there is no battle, as with coins and angel wings, then the prestige system will not be applied at the LL team and the squad list will be used for the next enemy battle team calculation. What shall we call this bug? I think I had probably seen the possible of the bug a long time ago, but I probably couldn't reproduce it/overlooked it. And forgot that in TuT&T ... I had the following text written in TuT&T: " Calculation of the values: The formulas of the girls' values were found at the beginning of the labyrinth. The prestige system slightly increased the girls' stats ~+1%. However, the adjusted formulas were not found (now). The first formulas are as follows: Ego = ceil(8 * girl's Hardcore + player's Endurance) Harmony = ceil(0.2 * girl's Know-How + 2 * player's Harmony) Attack = ceil(girl's Know-How + player's Primary Stat) Defence = ceil(0.5 * girl's Charm + 0.25 * (player's Secondary Stat + player's Tertiary Stat)) Starting mana = min(35, 10 + ceil(0.002 * girl's Know-How)) Speed = ceil(0.2 * girl's Know-How + player's Harmony) " Theoretically, the following is still missing: total Power is: ceil(Ego + 7.5 * (Attack + Defence) + 0.625 * Speed) Or (hidden) total Power is: ceil((Ego+Prestige%) + 7.5 * ((Attack+Prestige%) + Defence) + 0.625 * Speed) 3 hours ago, xRob91 said: I can agree though that top 14 C5 theory was most likely wrong and should probably be removed from guide. 10 hours ago, Methos2 said: I am also starting to doubt the whole phantom girl bug being affected by top 14 C5 Where does it say that in the guide? 10 hours ago, Methos2 said: I am also starting to doubt the whole phantom girl bug being affected by top 14 C5 or buggers. Buggers have been tested and confirmed multiple times by different people. However, if you are currently experiencing a run where this is not the case, please post it so we can take a look and perhaps some of us can test it ourselves. [Edit] In my next run, according to the calculations, my ISIS should jump from Top 25 to Top 4. Edited March 4 by Ich42 minor mistakes 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRob91 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 2 hours ago, Ich42 said: Where does it say that in the guide? I remember it was one of the theories when phantom girls appeared for the first time. I assumed it's still in the guide if Methos mentioned it but it's been a while since I read it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpicBacon Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 I've done a run of the laby, and my data shows the exact same results as @xRob91 was proposing. The increased attack and ego values matches exactly when applying the prestige bonus. We now have 4 separate data point showing the same thing happening. 1 data point on 0.5% prestige, from @xRob91's club member 2 different data points on 1% prestige, me and @xRob91 1 data point on 2.5% prestige from @Ich42 I'll quickly go over my result. Here is my top 14 girls. I tried to use AraAra or Lenaëlle, but blessings was no good and they were not close enough. I instead went for Aquatic Hari, equipping some girl equipment got her up to 13th position. In the next battle, the 6th enemy girl now had a 5th level GS5. Here are the 5th enemy girl stats along with Aquatic Hari's stats. Here are the stats and total power for Aquatic Hari; column 2 has the prestige adjusted stats (+1% attack/ego) As you can see, this brings her from 1.250.474 total power to 1.260.040 total power. This moves her up from 13th place to 6th. Here are the top14 again, Aquatic Hari highlighted, showing her moving to 6th position after the prestige bonus is added. Here are the top7 girls (and Aquatic Hari) compared against the enemy team. First 5 girls are copied correctly, while 6 and 7 are messed up (highlighted in green) Girl 1 have higher attack highlighted in red, due to spawning as dominator. Girl 5 have higher defence highlighted in blue, due to spawning as Masochist. Comparing Aquatic Hari to the 6th girl gets correct results, apart from the added attack and ego. Adding the 1% ego/attack to the estimated 113% copy value returns 1.1413. 113% + 1.1413 = 114.13%. Perfect match. Here are the adjusted enemy team comparison table, where Aquatic Hari is moved into the 6th slot. This time all the girls are correctly copied. Dominator (red) and Masochist (blue) roles still apply. 9 hours ago, Ich42 said: What shall we call this bug? Uhhh... So I guess its technically a visual bug, the data is calculated correctly; its just not showing us the correct girl order. I don't know... prestige bug? I am not really creative when it comes to naming things. 9 hours ago, Ich42 said: PLEASE CHECK MY VALUES! I've miscalculated before. Your data seems to check out, I can't find anything wrong. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methos2 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 @xRob91 @EpicBacon @Ich42 I appreciate you guys trying to identify the bug for the community. I really do but I think your approach is wrong. You can't selectively pick data to fit a theory. First, the bug was dominator and masochist then it happened with fluffer and pleasurelock but we stop talking about fluffer and pleasurelock now and focusing back only on dominator and masochist. Prestige bonus applies to all girls but you only look at the girls that fit your mold without addressing why other girls didn't move into top 7. If the bug moved those girls up, of course, the numbers would match. It doesn't explain why those girls moved while others didn't. The problem isn't just math. Math would yield the same results no matter how many times you compute it. 17 hours ago, xRob91 said: Also I think EpicBacon explained that bug is nullified when you step on coin bags or angel wings. There may be more things that trigger stats correction. 2 weeks ago, the phantom girl appeared and disappeared on consecutive fights. On Monday, the phantom girl appeared on every fight even after coin bags and angel wings. This disproves the nullification effect from coin bags and angel wings. It also shows that math isn't the cause of the bug. The bug appears and disappears when stats, prestige, traits stay the same. This is the key point that all of the above posts keeps ignoring. You can't ignore data just because you don't understand them. If the data disprove your theory, find new theory, not disregard the data. 18 hours ago, xRob91 said: For some unknown reason some bonuses are already applied to the girls you're currently using in laby, like roles bonuses or prestige. xRob characterized it correctly with this statement. The unknown reason is the bug in the code that changes the squad order sometimes, emphasizing on the word sometimes. Some girl characteristics may be more vulnerable than others but it is not restricted to it as we have seen with fluffer and pleasurelock. 18 hours ago, xRob91 said: Did you use Solveig in your team or did she appear out of nowhere on opponents' side? Solveig has never been on my laby team. She didn't appear on opponent side netiher, a C5 with GS5 did. 18 hours ago, xRob91 said: And by removing GS5 do you mean only it? Did you give her other skills again? Because otherwise she lost stats gained from GS2 and that could be the reason for her disappearing. And if you removed her from team then it makes even more sense. I removed her GS5 only. I put her GS4 back on after reset to test. I also needed her to shift a M6 with GS5 out of top 7. 18 hours ago, xRob91 said: Your top 4 girls may have much better stats than all the others (it can happen if they are tripple boosted for example), meanwhile all the others have pretty similar stats. That's why Solveig can overtake all those girls while still being behind top 4, no matter if she's 8th or 33rd. The stat from the top 33 girls have always been far apart for me. Moving from 33rd to 5th is a huge jump. I also had other girls with GS5 in between. I don't have the squad order from Monday saved though. 18 hours ago, xRob91 said: it's also possible you came across even different bug than the one we're analyzing. It wouldn't surprise me to find KK introducing multiple bugs but I think we experienced the same bug. I just noticed the bug would come and go on a continuous laby run. @xRob91 please don't feel that I'm picking on you with the above quotes. You were just the only one asking me questions. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRob91 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 3 hours ago, Methos2 said: First, the bug was dominator and masochist then it happened with fluffer and pleasurelock but we stop talking about fluffer and pleasurelock now and focusing back only on dominator and masochist. Prestige bonus applies to all girls but you only look at the girls that fit your mold without addressing why other girls didn't move into top 7. If the bug moved those girls up, of course, the numbers would match. It doesn't explain why those girls moved while others didn't. Some hypotheses are right while the others are proven wrong later. That's why we don't talk about top 14 C5 or fluffers anymore. You also forget about the most important part - choosing the girl for your team is the trigger. That's why prestige isn't applied to all the girls. You may be right though that we focus too much on the girl we suspect to be the problem. Next time I'll check if all the other girls in team behave the same way. 3 hours ago, Methos2 said: Solveig has never been on my laby team. She didn't appear on opponent side netiher, a C5 with GS5 did. Your C5 case is indeed really weird. It doesn't follow the rules we determined. However, none of us (me, EpicBacon, Ich42) were able to reproduce it. In our tests phantom girl seems to always follow the pattern. Ich42 even proved that he can easily manipulate the position of bugged girl just by replacing one GG piece. That's why I think that you could come upon different bug. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich42 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) Everything fits, Xiena and Marika have forgotten that they also get the prestige bonus. I also confirmed on my second attempt that it is ISIS. After that, I gave her not very good equipment. This means that she is no longer affected by the observed bug, and there were no more opposing GS5 girls. That's enough testing for me. I understand this bug and will no longer equip my GS5 girls that I use in LL so good that they can slip into the top 7. 9 hours ago, Methos2 said: @xRob91 @EpicBacon @Ich42 I appreciate you guys trying to identify the bug for the community. I really do but I think your approach is wrong. You can't selectively pick data to fit a theory. First, the bug was dominator and masochist then it happened with fluffer and pleasurelock but we stop talking about fluffer and pleasurelock now and focusing back only on dominator and masochist. Prestige bonus applies to all girls but you only look at the girls that fit your mold without addressing why other girls didn't move into top 7. If the bug moved those girls up, of course, the numbers would match. It doesn't explain why those girls moved while others didn't. The problem isn't just math. Math would yield the same results no matter how many times you compute it. 2 weeks ago, the phantom girl appeared and disappeared on consecutive fights. On Monday, the phantom girl appeared on every fight even after coin bags and angel wings. This disproves the nullification effect from coin bags and angel wings. It also shows that math isn't the cause of the bug. The bug appears and disappears when stats, prestige, traits stay the same. This is the key point that all of the above posts keeps ignoring. You can't ignore data just because you don't understand them. If the data disprove your theory, find new theory, not disregard the data. xRob characterized it correctly with this statement. The unknown reason is the bug in the code that changes the squad order sometimes, emphasizing on the word sometimes. Some girl characteristics may be more vulnerable than others but it is not restricted to it as we have seen with fluffer and pleasurelock. Solveig has never been on my laby team. She didn't appear on opponent side netiher, a C5 with GS5 did. I removed her GS5 only. I put her GS4 back on after reset to test. I also needed her to shift a M6 with GS5 out of top 7. The stat from the top 33 girls have always been far apart for me. Moving from 33rd to 5th is a huge jump. I also had other girls with GS5 in between. I don't have the squad order from Monday saved though. It wouldn't surprise me to find KK introducing multiple bugs but I think we experienced the same bug. I just noticed the bug would come and go on a continuous laby run. @xRob91 please don't feel that I'm picking on you with the above quotes. You were just the only one asking me questions. For me, it was really just important to understand how I could avoid the bug. Now that I know, I'm adjusting my team. With my view (with OCD), I always have an overview of whether an opposing girl has a GS5. And in most runs, I never saw an opposing GS5 girl. For a long time, I believed that you should keep your top 7 free of GS5, and I still stand by that, but not as “radically” as before. I have completed several runs with a opposing GS5 girls myself without losing a girl. If you share your new bug more so that we can understand it, i.e. with pictures, then I will try to reproduce it on my end. Generally speaking, don't make the girls in your LL team too strong with the equipment. 17 hours ago, EpicBacon said: On 3/4/2026 at 1:24 PM, Ich42 said: What shall we call this bug? Uhhh... So I guess its technically a visual bug, the data is calculated correctly; its just not showing us the correct girl order. I don't know... prestige bug? I am not really creative when it comes to naming things. How about “prestige girl” in reference to “phantom girls”? Since both essentially create the same error, but for different reasons. Theoretically, the guide TuT&T needs to be adjusted to reflect the bug that was found. Would anyone like to do that? It will take me a while before I really have time for it. Edited March 5 by Ich42 minor changes, thanks xRob91 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRob91 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, Ich42 said: Unfortunately, my opposing GS5 girls are not exactly where they should be today. Can you show what are your Xiena and Marika's stats? They also are in your team and if they got prestige bonus that could be the reason why GS5 girl was pushed to 6th position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich42 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 29 minutes ago, xRob91 said: Can you show what are your Xiena and Marika's stats? They also are in your team and if they got prestige bonus that could be the reason why GS5 girl was pushed to 6th position. That's right, I forgot them. Here are their values, so everything fits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich42 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) @bolitho76 We've found a new bug, and I'll start updating the TuT&T accordingly. I'll create a separate post for each section. Just so you know. You can just copy this, I've downloaded the images and reinserted them. j) The FaQ: ... Q: Are there any known errors in the labyrinth? A: Yes, there are errors, this list does not have to be up to date. If errors are missing, please post them in the appropriate topic. It could also be that some points have already been fixed. Display error from opposing girls ego. When Eccentric (red) girls use their skill or Sexomancer raises a girl's ego above 0. It is possible that an incorrect ego value is displayed. If these girls are then attacked, the display will be updated. However, if the girl can no longer be attacked and attack, the display error remains until the end of the battle. (Explanation to the picture: No. 1 had attacked and gets more damage from the red skill than she has ego. Therefore her ego fall below zero, but is still shown as a positive number. This is the bug. No. 2 and No. 3 have already had the bug. Therefore No. 4 attacks next. Although No. 2 and No. 3 still show a positive ego.) The selection of girls does not show whether the girl has GS5. But if the girl is in your team, you can see if she has a GS5. This has been changed by an update, not sure if it is wanted. In addition to your opponent's team which is a copy of your Top7 of all girls. The opponent's team can get one or more GS5 "phantom" girl. Here you can find out how this "phantom" girl gets into the opposing team. Basically, there are two bugs that do the same thing but have different causes. The first bug, we call it “Phantom Girl”. This bug only occurs if you have at least a dominator or Masochist in your active team. Due to the role of the dominator or Masochist, each dominator girl in the active team has 5% more attack, and each Masochist get 10% defence, which is calculated directly to the total power, but is not displayed. Therefore, there are two ways to remove this “phantom girl" from the opposing team: 1. Remove all dominators or Masochist from your active/battling team. This will prevent any "phantom girls" from being on the opposing team from the next battle. 2. If you want to use dominators or Masochist in your team. Then you have to calculate their correct total power and change the equipment accordingly. The formula for the general total Power is: ceil(Ego + 7.5 * (Attack + Defence) + 0.6 25 * Speed). With an dominator in your active team, the Attack is: ceil(Attack*1.05). Here is an example: Second bug, the girls in your Love Labyrinth team are boosted by the Prestige System. That's why we call it the "prestige girl" in reference to "phantom girl". With "prestige girl" and "phantom girl", the next enemy teams are selected based on the boosted girls and the rest of the squad. However, since the boosted stats of the girls are not displayed in the squad list, you have to calculate the stats manually and see where the girls will end up. Some additional information about the bugs. If you don't want to calculate anything, there are a few things that influence the bug. After collecting coins or healing(angel wings), this "phantom" girl does not appear for a fight. The GS5 number of your dominator girls is be mirrored to the "phantom" girl. It doesn't matter where the dominator is in your active team, the "phantom" girl is still there if you have met the requirements. Or keep the girls in your Love Labyrinth team far from the top 7, so that even with the boost, they won't make it into the top 7. At Prestige Level 10, which provides a 2.5% boost to Ego and Attack, the girls in your Team have ~20K more points. If you don't have Dominator in your active team but still have GS5 with your opponent. It could be that you didn't take all the girls with you when you selected your squad. The opposing team pays attention to the Top7 of all your girls you have and not just the ones you take to the labyrinth. If you use HH++, your opponents may get a GS5 "phantom" girl. Even you keeping the Top7 GS5 free and you know how the "phantom" girl is created. This can maybe currently be fixed, or make it clear where the problem is (take a look at the bug earlier. ), by deactivating this option: Currently, after getting the current Labyrinth Girl in the Labyrinth Shop, you can get the last Labyrinth Girls. However, this should not be the case. Therefore, some consider this a bug. However, there are no official statements on this yet Edited March 13 by Ich42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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