What is "hunting/grinding?"

[DocJD]

The new patch notes is about "hunting/grinding." I tried a search and only got a link to the patch notes. Can anyone explain what "hunting/grinding" is or provide a link to an explanation?

[holymolly]

they´re basically saying we have new stuff to get on villians

 

[jelom]

Grinding

Video games

Grinding is a term within video game culture that describes time spent in the game in which a player repeats a general task in order to gain rewards like in-game currency, in-game experience, player stats or other reward types. The method was first seen in dnd, and though there are many adaptations of it, it has since become an entire category of gameplay.

[DocJD]

On 11/19/2025 at 4:22 PM, holymolly said:

they´re basically saying we have new stuff to get on villians

 

You mean new rewards from fighting villians? I looked and see some lightbulbs. Is that it? I still haven't really figured out what to do with the lightbulbs.

[Methos2]

9 minutes ago, DocJD said:

You mean new rewards from fighting villians? I looked and see some lightbulbs. Is that it? I still haven't really figured out what to do with the lightbulbs.

It isn't just bulbs. Different villain gives different rewards. Kisses, orbs, energy, boosters... You can grind a particular villain if you need to farm something you need.

The bulbs are for applying girl skills. See guide below.

 

[jpanda]

In case not clear from above replies, I believe 'hunting' refers to e.g. "I need blue gems, I better fight...Auga" (thanks for the easy chart @Methos2).

 

[430i]

Speaking of those changes, is there some info about the drop rates? Equipment orbs seems to be at 10-15% which is not bad

[EpicBacon]

2 hours ago, 430i said:

Speaking of those changes, is there some info about the drop rates? Equipment orbs seems to be at 10-15% which is not bad

I've done 200 fights against Nike for the "Fucknights" event and have gotten 42 orbs.
That puts me at 21% droprate for orbs.
Obviously that is way to low of a sample size.
Nike has 4 items she can drop (tickets, cashdollar, orbs and black gems) so it might just be an even 25%

[mdnoria]

I got 39 drops for 299 fights on Edwarda for the equipment orbs (~13%). Holy tested on the test server for more than 1000 rolls and the drop rate seems to be around 15%.

[EpicBacon]

2 minutes ago, mdnoria said:

I got 39 drops for 299 fights on Edwarda for the equipment orbs (~13%). Holy tested on the test server for more than 1000 rolls and the drop rate seems to be around 15%.

Edwarda has 5 drops (Ticket, Cashdollar, Orb, Green Gem, Orange Gem) So the droprate should be lower then Nike who only have 4 items.

[mdnoria]

I have nearly the same droprate on Nike for 130 fights (18 drops / 13.85%).

Even if it's a low sample size it's nearly the same as Edwarda.

Edited November 26, 2025 by mdnoria

[bolitho76]

1 hour ago, EpicBacon said:

Edwarda has 5 drops (Ticket, Cashdollar, Orb, Green Gem, Orange Gem)

Not totally correct: All Villains have the exact same chance to drop Gems, so the total amount of different drops is 4 too. If you got the % of a gem drop at Villains with 2 different Gems who can drop, there is another random decision in the background, which gem will drop.

[EpicBacon]

On 11/26/2025 at 12:02 PM, mdnoria said:

I got 39 drops for 299 fights on Edwarda for the equipment orbs (~13%). Holy tested on the test server for more than 1000 rolls and the drop rate seems to be around 15%.

 

On 11/26/2025 at 12:35 PM, mdnoria said:

I have nearly the same droprate on Nike for 130 fights (18 drops / 13.85%).

Even if it's a low sample size it's nearly the same as Edwarda.

I fought Edwarda for the Demon Matcha skin, 191 fights total.
I've compared my drops to yours and we have the exact equipment orb drop percentage at 13.09%

Edited November 27, 2025 by EpicBacon

[EpicBacon]

Got some more Equipment Orb drops while fighting Edwarda for Mythic Red Diamond.

I have a total of 926 fights with Edwarda.
I also added the 299 Edwarda drops that Mdnoria got when fighting for the Matcha skin.
This comes out for a total of 1225 fights.

While there are some variation, the drops are mostly the same.
Equipment Orb varies from 12.65% to 13.09% (0.44% variance)

Edited December 4, 2025 by EpicBacon
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[EpicBacon]

Went over my and @mdnoria's drops for the last 4 mythic days/revivals to get a better look at the droprate for equipment orbs.

 

Very similar droprares. I've also combined or event drops and compared them to my 407 non event fights with Edwards where no mythic orbs are in the pool.
My non-event droprate for equipment orbs is 19.90% and the total equipment/mythic orb in events comes out to 19.99%.

Based on this data, I estimate equipment orbs drops on Edwarda at 20%. (since Nike has the same droptable, its likely Nike has the same equipment orb drop%)
In an event where mythic orbs are present it changes into a 13:7 ratio (65% equipment orbs / 35% mythic orbs)

Update : @430i provided his dropdata, and I've created a new table to include this data.
430i's data did not seperate the different gem drops, so for the final total I added both different gems together under "gems"
Gem drop is consistant, 430i has 9.34% while Mdnoria and I had 9.42% combined.

Minimal changes, equipment orb chance goes slightly up, while shards go slightly down.

Edited January 3 by EpicBacon
430i data included

[430i]

Here is my data as well, if you are up for aggregating:

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Moe Bunny (MD, skin)
Mythic Orbs	24	6,78%
Ymen	209	59,04%
Shards	22	6,21%
Gems	36	10,17%
Tickets	17	4,80%
Eq Orbs	46	12,99%
Total	354
Red Diamond (MD)
Mythic Orbs	67	6,17%
Ymen	663	61,05%
Shards	56	5,16%
Gems	108	9,94%
Tickets	52	4,79%
Eq Orbs	140	12,89%
Total	1086
Matcha (MD, skin)
Mythic Orbs	7	5,88%
Ymen	68	57,14%
Shards	8	6,72%
Gems	9	7,56%
Tickets	6	5,04%
Eq Orbs	21	17,65%
Total	119
Radka (MD, skin)
Mythic Orbs	33	6,43%
Ymen	306	59,65%
Shards	22	4,29%
Gems	46	8,97%
Tickets	19	3,70%
Eq Orbs	87	16,96%
Total	513
Infiltrator Liu-Yeng (MD)
Mythic Orbs	55	8,36%
Ymen	360	54,71%
Shards	56	8,51%
Gems	56	8,51%
Tickets	34	5,17%
Eq Orbs	97	14,74%
Total	658

 

[EpicBacon]

40 minutes ago, 430i said:

Here is my data as well, if you are up for aggregating:

 

Thanksies; I've updated my previous post with your data.

[EpicBacon]

I've done some normal fights against Edwarda and Nike for equipment orbs when there has been no love raids.
These fights were done when there were no events, thus no mythic orbs were present in the drop table. 

I did a total of 407 fights against Edwarda before I changed to Nike due to lack of dom gems.
I've now surpassed Nike fights, and I've included drop info about the drops at the same number of fights, and Nike total fights and compared them to Edwardas.

I've had more ticket drops on Nike compared to Edwarda. At 407 fights over double the tickets, while at 526 fights its dropped to below double.
Cash is within the 1% around 65%, while gems went from -1.96% to -1.04% moving downwards to 10%

Equipment orbs went the other way, where I had less orb drops on Nike compared to Edwarda. Quite a big margin too, from -1.96% to -3.17%
Drops on Edwarda was 19.90%, but more fights on Nike dropped it to 18.18% and further to 16.73%
I am not sure if Nike has higher chance of ticket drops, or if this is just drop variance. Will continue to do fights when no other sources requires combativity.

The plan for now is to get to 1000 fights on Nike, then switch over to Edwarda and slowly get her up to 1000 fights for a better comparison.

If we compare the normal fights to the event ones where we have a lot more data, it seems we get a baseline drop of;
5% ticket, 58.5% cash, 20% orbs (equipment and mythic), 10% gems, 6.5% shards.

What stands out to me here tho, is that if you add the shard drops to the cash drops then you get 58.5% + 6.5% = 65%
It does kind of look like shard drops are taken from the cash pool alone, and not affecting any of the other drops.
 

[Anon_sama]

6 minutes ago, EpicBacon said:

It does kind of look like shard drops are taken from the cash pool alone, and not affecting any of the other drops.

So KK wasn't lying when they said it only took from Ymens/soft currency.

Edited January 26 by Anon_sama
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[EpicBacon]

4 minutes ago, Anon_sama said:

So KK wasn't lying when they said it only took from Ymens/soft currency.

I've not heard that claim, but the data does suggest it is true.
Say what you want about KK and how they do business, all the various drops rates I've looked at over the years have turned out correct.
They are not fudging the droprates.

[Anon_sama]

4 minutes ago, EpicBacon said:

I've not heard that claim, but the data does suggest it is true.

It was part of Patch Notes Week #47 (19.11.2025)

[jelom]

5 hours ago, EpicBacon said:

Say what you want about KK and how they do business, all the various drops rates I've looked at over the years have turned out correct.
They are not fudging the droprates.

Well ... shard drop rates in events were 10% in the old times and now is more like 8% (except mythics, of course), and girl drops with epic x1 orbs just halved a few years ago without warning.

[EpicBacon]

11 hours ago, jelom said:

Well ... shard drop rates in events were 10% in the old times and now is more like 8% (except mythics, of course), and girl drops with epic x1 orbs just halved a few years ago without warning.

Well, true... the droprate could obviously be better from a base level, and they might have tweaked the droprates at some point in time.
What I can say is that they are not adjusting drops on the fly, the game will not stop dropping shards for a while if you get several drops in a small amount of fights.

[EpicBacon]

I had Manifesto Mega Love raid with 0 shards available to me, so I decided to take a crack at her and record my drops.
I mainly wanted to compare mythic vs legendary droprate and also check the distribution of shards in 1x, 2x and 3x drops.
I did not use any sandalwood to get as many fights in as possible. I used 26 refills, resulting in a koban cost of (26*216)=5.616

Here are the complete drop table, I've also included an easier to read one where I have truncated bulbs and shards into its own rows.
8.43% sharddrops in 534 fights is quite good. Percentage vice compared to my mythic data, she would come in at 5th place.


Here are the breakdown of the bulbs; everything seems fine, common being the most.. well.. common, and higher rarity coming in a lower rate then the previous.


Breakdown of the shard distribution. This one surprised me quite a bit. Almost half of my shard drops was in the 3x category, while the other two are about the same.
Not sure if this is the common distribution; (25%, 25%, 50%) or if I just got lucky. With only one datapoint, its impossible to get a clear picture.