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1 hour ago, Yamiray said:
There intended for the collectors, that's why we want more of them over legendary's. I have every starter, common, rare and most of my epic star scene unlocked. but only a few legendary's because its to expensive to get them all unlocked. More of them would also help with income if more then 8 items every 6 hours could be purchased. Also would help since they reduced how much items sell for.
Ah ok, the cost to unlock the stars and thus the artwork scenes for each is indeed a factor I didn't count in yet.
I've not yet fully upgraded many green or yellow guys, but those few I did already do not strike me as big income helpers as only a few yellow ones bring barely around 10.000 cash while the green ones stay around 3.000 to 6.000.
But of course that could be balanced out by simply gaining more of them.
The collector-aspect was (and I think still is for many players) quite an incentive to play on and eventually take another and another shot at candidates you missed out on before because either you didn't have the time and/or resources during the first chance to get them or you were too low in level etc.
It brings a sort of long-term goal to the whole thing which is why I am personally not really happy with the more "exclusivity"-approach the devs are apparently taking during the last few months.
There are also quite some older visages from past Path of Attraction and Seasons before I even joined I would love to eventually add to my harem (the harem overview page on harem-battle.club gives quite a nice overview) but which up to now the game doesn't give the slightest chance to.
6 minutes ago, JustVisitingReborn said:I actually agree with most of what you said in your post - with Awakenings the Blessings have been devalued which makes epic and rare girls far less valuable. Also, anything less than 3*s is garbage just collected for passive blessings of the erotic aspects of the game.
However, the above I do not agree with. I'm 100% f2p and proud of the fact. I have 5 Mythics and will have another next month and the month after. It doesn't take paying to get Mythics if that's what you want to do
Not always as those could also be blessed, lol. Not to mention as Yamiray pointed out Rares and Epics are easier to upgrade than Legendarys and Mythics.
Do 2-star harem candidates even exist? 😁
Like, the 1-star ones are really only good for the 1.200 cash every 90 minutes and fill out some extra manpower in Places of Power.
I wouldn't mind a feature that once your account reaches a certain level allows you to eventually upgrade the 1-stars to 3-stars or something.
Ahaha, ok, true, you can get Mythics if you save up lots of kobans I would assume, but I guess that when you want to remain entirely F2P that would also mean to take a backseat in some other events and daily contests.
Taking for example the second prize pool of PoA for 7.200 kobans then certainly won't be possible except if you're perhaps already Level 300+ and have secured a steady koban income from League PvP fights.
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Tbch I am actually wondering what the purpose of rare (green) and epic (yellow) girls/guys is.
The starting and common (white) ones usually have bigger money income once all stars are unlocked while legendarys (purple) are the ones intended for battle teams with high overall stats.
Mythic (red) are basically buffed legendarys intended as candy for those players willing to spend more money than a Season Pass or Monthly card, but what exactly are the rares and epics intended for?
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The regular PoA at month's end is probably my favorite type of event mostly because you can get four additions to your harem for sure if you plan accordingly ahead and use tactical thinking in managing your in-game resources in combination with available time.
The whole RNG factor and this source for more frustration is certainly lower with this event than with others. Although I did had a frustrating finish in November (D-Tubers) on the main server because of the second-to-last tier being "score 20.000 points in contests" and the daily challenge that day being only the stupid Donate money-tasks which I couldn't complete in time thus losing me the 3rd and 4th harem addition.
That however still doesn't change the fact that imho the regular PoA event is the most player-friendly concerning getting more manpower into your harem although it requires quite some preparation.
Only the Classic events and Orgy days come close with the guaranteed additions through the extra daily missions. The others there are also subject to RNG luck regardless if held by a world villain or Pachinko.
Consequently, Classic and Orgy days are my second favorites in terms of events, followed probably by Legendary Contest since that one is also an instance where you can prepare and act tactically with resources and possibilities you can influence in-game and with your own skill, not something hinging on either RNG luck or spending lots of real money.
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52 minutes ago, Lucu said:
I don't want them to be removed or removed from the blessings. But maybe a limitation that they can not get a high percentage of blessings.
Anyway was just my frustration this week, and wanted to provide feedback.
If the percentage values are randomized I doubt they'll go and add extra limitations.
In the last few months there were many changes made that can cause frustration among players who aren't sinking much real money into the game so this reaction is entirely understandable and the feedback section of the forums is certainly one of the correct places to express these, so no worries there. 😉
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Considering my current level on both accounts (main & Nutaku) as well as my overall resource situation, the prospect of the regular PoA two weeks later and a possible Legendary Contest still in the wings I cannot realistically compete in this extra PoA at all.
The best possible outcome would be to reach Tier 10 by the end of the available time and get at least one harem addition out of it. All of it hopefully without wasting too many of the Season awards as I tend to save these for the regular PoA.
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The mythic guys are more or less an offering for players investing real money (or those who hoarded resources for months in preparation and thus foregoing other events) so if you're a F2P-player you're not meant to get them.
The blessings are quite a roulette-esque thing yet they can help out even lower level players to get really strong a week. Mythic guys getting buffed this week is then of course unfortunate but as long as it doesn't come up every second week I don't see a real problem with it.
Of course it can be another source of frustration, especially when keeping in mind that Blessings were originally advertised along the lines of breaking up the issue of mythic and 5-star legendaries being always the strongest, but I too won't expect the mythic rarity being removed from the pool of possible blessings.
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43 minutes ago, Gotaku said:
- Kinkoid should put way way more thought in various Revival events and methods. While Dating Tokens may have not worked out for them, it should always be possible somehow to finish and get most of the girls a player aims for. Now they are just sitting there unfinished, completely useless to anything and anyone. That doesnt make any sense. Make 50 Usable Shards a main reward for some contests or whatever. Turn it into new events. There are so many useful possibilities.
Allowing players to get more shots at girls/guys they missed would certainly help lowering frustration potential and bring the whole "gotta catch them all"-concept back to the forefront.
They actually could have this and the whole "exclusivity"-thingy at the same time by just making Mythic grade girls/guys exempt from the whole getting more chances to get girls/guys. Season and PoA rewards are "only" legendary anyways so it could work out. Mythics are also not always overpowered in PvP thanks to the introduction of the Blessings.
36 minutes ago, Gotaku said:- One of the main design problems KK has is that they focus too much on events that somehow have to work for everyone from level 50 to 500, which is impossible to balance. Just keep the game what it used to be for everyone under level 450. Turn all those new plans into End Game content, make it work for all the whales on the higher levels. As an added effect they will no longer be scaring off all the normal players with their expensive experiments and the whales will have stuff to do just for them.
Gotta agree with this assessment in full as this is something that would really bring some actual balance into things. Most other games do have endgame- or postgame-challenges for players who have finished the story and maxed out their stats and equipment.
If they want players to buy more stuff and invest real money and/or to burn through high amounts of hoarded resources it could be done easier with very expensive challenges that have a higher level cap attached to them so only high-level players and "whales" get to actually see them.
There are already some level barriers and number-of-harem-occupants-needed blockers in place for i.e. champions or participating in some events. That could easily be adopted for i.e. making those extra-hard challenges available only for players starting at Level 350 or something so it won't scare off low- and mid-level players who might or might not be F2P.
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8 minutes ago, Liliat said:
It's really subjective, obviously. Anyone around my level is "mid-level" to me
But I'd say < 300 is low, 300~400 is mid, and 400+ is high. This corresponds to the difficulty changes in Leagues and in Contests (You reach D1 around lvl 300, and D3 around lvl 400, and the last Contest bracket is level 400+), as well as the items changes in the Market (Level 300+ and 300 girls is where you can buy the best items, IIRC)
The real difference is not so much in Harem income: with the recent changes to Starter girls, everyone gets at least 1M/6h (~3M/day). The 3 starter girls now overpower everyone else in the Harem, so even with a very large team, you won't get much more than that (Maybe 3 or 4 times that? Not counting players with a fully upgraded 900 girls harem... if such players even exist
). However, despite the selling prices nerf on the Market, high level players can still sell their legendary items at ~2M/U (Compared to 250k/U for me at lvl 360). That's still a 90% nerf for everyone, but the gap between mid- and high-level players remains really wide.
Haha, well, that's also a way of looking at it. Considering I started to play only this year (Mid-July on Nutaku and End-October on main server) I guess it would be feasible either way to still count as low-tier. I remember when starting there was still the 3 girl/guy team in place for PvP and when I started to get the hang of the whole thing they changed to the seven person-party team.
Concerning the massive increase of income for the three starters I did have the impression that this was done partly to compensate for the income loss from daily mission rewards as well as the lowering of value for items.
I'm actually a bit surprised that there isn't a "category" of girls/guys who may have only average or even low battle stats but who in turn give much money when fully upgraded.
The 5-star common story girls/guys that can be gained by just playing the story usually have a higher cash income, but I haven't yet seen anyone going beyond the 30.000 to 50.000 range.
In either way though for players in the range I am in this extra PoA is really not something to consciously participate in, especially not if there is still a Legendary Contest to come and a regular PoA at the end of the month that with a bit of planning and resource saving can reward you with four additional harem additions even as a largely F2P-player.
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Interestingly I don't see much difference in income between my two account (Nutaku and mains server) despite having a level gap between them.
Nutaku account is level 272 and has around 77 million cash in the bank. Average income from the harem is 1.3 million.
Main Server account is level 188 with around 63 million cash in the bank. Average income from the harem is 1.1 million despite having about 100 less occupants than the Nutaku one.
Not much of a difference on first glance. The Nutaku account having about 15 million more in the bank is partly due to the main server having the whole "Donate Money"-daily contests way more often and partly due to being unable to man all the available Places of Power there yet.
I dunno though if these levels already count as "mid-game" or still as low/newbie tier.
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For overview's sake it would be a neat help to have the display in Tower of Fame expanded to include the information how many players are in this current league and how many of them you've already competed against.
Like i.e. 50/130 => 50 players engaged of 130 available in the current league.
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Well, on the positive side there are some points like:
- prizes of the Places of Power got restored to previous levels (meaning x10 Green Orbs + x1 Golden Mythic Orbs back available)
- 3 additional temporary Places of Power to collect overall more resources.
- in many places gems are additional rewards and not replacing existing ones.
- Path of Valor prizes do seem to be generous, including 15 million of cash, extra XP and lots of 2.500 XP books.
- there's a general higher possibility to earn purple (legendary) EXP books which helps leveling your Harem girls/guys faster and thus gain more manpower for the increased Places of Power.
What does strike as a big negative vibe though are the more or less (for F2P players and those with few money) exorbitant amounts of kobans needed to even get a chance to participate (and possibly gain) all the new harem additions.
The second Path of Valor prize pool costs 3000+ kobans and that times 2 per month, additionally 7200 for regular Path of Attraction which is 14.000 kobans just to unlock stuff, not even counting possible needed refills etc.
With these developments the frustration factor will undoubtedly grow within quite a part of the overall player base when the pile of unattainable and missed content continues to grow regardless of all good advice to ignore the paywall-blocked stuff.
Seriously, from what I've read so far not even players who do regularly pay real money have the economical in-game power to tackle all these new "paywalls" sufficiently.
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I'm not spending kobans on actually fulfilling the PoA tasks, only to unlock the second prize pool and thus by default getting 2 more guys.
I do not think you can get the 3rd & 4th guy and the extra prizes of PoA without spending kobans, you have to invest those 7200.
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These money requirements are indeed huge, even when counting the possible 15 million cash you can gain from Path of Valor-prizes it is a tough cookie task to fulfill.
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11 minutes ago, Pelto said:
I agree, although I do everything except mythic days because I have been getting a monthly card and season pass for over a year. But the more I can't do in a game (especially while I am already investing money) , the less I will want to play it.
I see, well, I does seem concerning to me that you're still struggling as a player even when you already got the benefits of both Season Passes and Monthly Card for multiple months.
The second row of season prizes and the advantages of a monthly card do seem pretty good on paper.
I'm sure you're one of many players who see it that way. The more they feel deliberately left out of content, the more will eventually stop playing.
8 minutes ago, Zamioc Yuki said:There are also the fact that when you clear daily missions, you get 150 kobans. That's 4500 kobans/month from daily missions (not counting the Classic Event + Orgy days special ones). There are daily contests, weekly leagues and some season rewards. You can pile up those kobans and use it to buy a PoA pass after you completed all the tasks. OD guys refills in x50 can be worth around 1.5-2.5K/guy. If you save some CP by the end of PoA, you don't have to refill for the classic event. Don't use pachinko. Save the orbs you can have for free from PoP (so use your kobans there until perma PoP are up to lvl 9).
That's some wise words. Don't spend money on anything that would put you economicaly in danger in real life. Enjoy the free content. We all discovered this game and enjoy it for the art and the kinks. Spend koban you can get to pleasure yourself, don't hurt yourself
The freely gained kobans I do tend to save up for Path of Attraction at the end of a month.
Updating a permanent PoP costs 600 kobans and any kobans I gain beyond the 7200 for regular PoA will be invested in that. After all three permanent PoPs are maxed, maybe I will save up the extra kobans in the future for Path of Valor, the prizes there seem to be quite valuable.
In Classic and Orgy Days I usually can gain between 2 and 3 guys every time around (depending on RNG luck) plus the one you get for free with the missions without having to pay kobans for refilling.
If I will ever spend any money it will certainly only be for season pass (if necessary to get that second guy) and maybe a silver monthly card, that wouldn't be too expensive as you have to invest in those only once a month.
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Isn't the "gotta catch them all"-prospect of the game already impossible to achieve anyways even without counting the mythic girls/guys because both Path of Attraction and Season girls/guys do not have any chance to be gained by players who missed them?
Still, this sort of indirect "end goal" or rather extra challenge seems to be a drawing force for quite some players and creating sort of motivation to play on so I'm not sure why the devs seem to be sabotaging this on purpose.
Not to mention that the so-advertised "thrill of the chase" will eventually be replaced or pushed aside by increasing frustration if not only "the catch" is missed more often but also there being no prospect of a second chance for said "catch".
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14 minutes ago, Pelto said:
I agree. This is more disappointing and discouraging than a gift.
Who knows, maybe it isn't actually meant as a gift or only for those who invest money above a certain threshold into the game.
11 minutes ago, Zamioc Yuki said:It's 2 PoV and it costs 3600 each. So 7200. Same as PoA.
Sad truth. You still have the option to ignore stuff. Stop with FOMO (fear of missing out) and just enjoy the story and the free content you can get. Use kobans wisely to pleasure yourself and don't compete by paying for anything.
It's not at all. But I still want you to remember that Christmas is not only in this game. You can enjoy the Christmas festivities all around you. Don't let this event kill the joy this end of the year can give to you
Ah, my bad, I messed up the PoV values, but the point still stands that it is another expensive koban sink on top of those already there.
Considering that the prizes available are actually very good and help greatly both in Daily Contests and money (as well as XP, a rare ressource), I fear that due to the high koban cost they serve only to broaden the gap between "whales" and regular players even more.
Heh, to be honest I already do that as I completely ignore Mythic Days, Legendary Days and Kinky Cumpetition while I participate in Orgy Days and Classic Events without investing any extra because I know I can eventually try another time to get these guys. I barely invest in Pachinko at all, saving the orbs for Daily Contests which give points for playing Pachinko.
When it comes to conscious investing I actually do so only with Season and Path of Attraction (the regular one).
I was thinking about at least moderately supporting the devs by starting to regularly buy the Season pass and maybe the silver monthly card, but I'm not so sure about that anymore, not if this way of treating the whole player-base continues.
Nah, no issue on that front. This game is more like an additional hobby for me, in terms of features and quality certainly one of the better free games on the net, but nothing I'm so invested in that my actual life would suffer for it.
5 minutes ago, Pelto said:I just wish they wouldn't start these events at the end of the week when I am down to only people I can't beat in the Leagues. That just makes me have to rely on kisses for all of the PVP wins, which of course are not possible to win every time, depending on random chance of who my competitors are. Such considerations would help out a lot.
Perhaps a good strategy would be to sort via Level and start out with beating as many players with their level above you as possible while saving those weaker than you for last to retain a pool of PVP matches for such situations?
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There's also xxxmasspecial which gives Combativity, a champion ticket and another x10 Great Pachinko Orb.
This one also works on Nutaku.
Mod edition time: Big thank you little hunter!
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@SoggyShorts If I understand correctly this is an out-of-line extra PoA, the regular 6-day PoA with the usual, manageable tasks will still happen at the end of month.
So any player who (like myself too) is hoarding kobans and resources for that event, stay your hand during this one and wait for the regular one. Participate in Orgy Days at your own leisure but largely ignore the extra PoA.
Only reap the prizes from it you can get from regular playing.
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Taking what you can get is tbh exactly the thing I'm planning to do. Consciously spend resources only on Orgy Days and take whatever additional stuff I can reach from this extra PoA.
With some of the Path of Valor-prizes maybe it is possible to reach Tier 10 and get 1 extra girl/guy for your Harem, but I won't waste any hard earned kobans on it, especially if there's another PoA at the end of the month. This early you also aren't that far in Season most of the time so you can't use Season prizes to make running this gauntlet easier.
Not to mention that if you want the second prize row (and harem addition) from Path of Valor you also have to keep 3000+ kobans in the Bank for that.
So many new features which cost quite a lot of kobans yet no actual sure-fire way to gain more kobans apart from spending real money will most likely have a negative impact on both pure F2P-players as well as those who can only spend few or moderate amounts of money.
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So I guess for this one I'll just focus on getting as many guys as I can from Orgy Days, save my Kobans for the end of month PoA and just take what I can from this extra PoA without spending any Kobans on it?
If you can invest 10 Euros for a paysafecard a month to for example get the season pass I doubt you'll count as a "whale" so I am still a 90% F2P-player I would say so this isn't something I'm strong enough to fully participate in.
Maybe, with some luck and the prizes from Path of Valor I might be able to reach Tier 10 and gain the first guy, but I won't waste 7200 kobans for the second prize pool just for that.
2 x 7200 kobans for 2 Path of Attraction events + 4 x 3200 kobans for Path of Valor (as they change every two weeks) makes 27200 kobans just for unlocking stuff, no refills etc. included.
This is impossible for F2P-players to reach without gaining any additional ways to earn kobans and even for those who spend moderate amounts of money a tricky thing to do.
I wouldn't exactly call these things Christmas "presents".
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What's with Path of Attraction already coming at the mid-point of the month?
Normally you'll need Season prizes to get more or less comfortably through it as well as some time to collect the necessary kobans for the second prize pool. Both is obviously hampered with the event already starting this early.
According to the calendar there's still a six-day event at month's end so is that then another Path of Attraction or something entirely different?
Since it is running concurrently with Orgy Days I'm getting doubts about my resource situation being capable of handling so much at once.
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You'll have to start over as there's no account transfer.
The main server has a much higher player population though which to a certain degree makes Tower of Fame more manageable as there are more tiers available and daily contests as well as Season can also be somewhat easier to compete in as more players means you aren't up against the same competitors so often.
In terms of the harem you have of course to start completely anew and guys you gained from Season or Path of Attraction on your old account are right now impossible to gain as so far there isn't any way to get another chance at gaining Season and PoA guys.
Ergo the less right now unattainable guys you got on your current account the less painful the transition might be.
I have already 6 months worth of progress on my Nutaku account so I'm now running it parallel with my main server one which I started around 2 months ago. It is slowly but surely catching up as you got more opportunities on the main server even if it is not immediately recognizable.
For comparison on Nutaku I am Level 267 with 160 guys in Harem, in main I am at Level 186 with 60 guys in Harem. The first has 6 months playtime the other one 2 months.
If it goes on with this speed the main account will definitely catch up and eventually overtake the progress on the Nutaku account.
If I recall correctly the version running on Erogames also has the lowest player-base out of the available versions so a switch to the main server might even more effective than when coming from Nutaku.
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The feature to highlight a player is intended for single battles to choose one of the three offered choices.
Of the three opponent cards the left one is always highlighted by default so if you click directly on 1 battle that opponent will be challenged.
When you click 10 battles the highlighted opponent will be the first one to be used and then the following nine will be randomly chosen among those in your level and mojo-range.
The villain-battles follow a different approach as in their case you're always facing the same villain, that isn't the case in season. Battling villains is PvE while Season is PvP.
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9 hours ago, erhuty said:
Gongrats! My strike was unlucky this time - 30 shards for this guy for 5 days (~240 battles)! A kind of 'stimulation' to spend some kobans, ha-ha!
Thanks.
Aww man, I feel for you. It really sucks when the RNG decides to literally spit on your chances.
Like, I'm not expecting for every second round to give you shards but there should be enough of them to get the guys within the time limit (and 5 days is rather generous compared to like the 2 day events).
7 hours ago, Zamioc Yuki said:You've got the legendary 0.1% chance on that one! Congratulation!
Oh wow, it's that low?
I thought it was at least a 0.5% or 0.3% chance. 🤣
I'm actually pretty satisfied with this classic event. I got three guys (the mission one + the 2 available from villain battling) on both of my accounts.
On the Nutaku one they more or less are for completion's sake and giving some additional synergy bonuses as I have enough guys to man all twelve Places of Power but on the main account they're still badly needed as reinforcements as I have way less guys on the main server.
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On Nutaku I started on July 6, 2021, have 160 guys in the harem and am Level 263.
On main I started on October 23, 2021, have 63 guys in the harem and am Level 183.
If it goes along the same pace I do expect the main server account to eventually reach, and possibly surpass, the Nutaku account at least in Levels and possibly Kobans.
In both Seasons and Tower of Fame as well as even in Daily Contests I've noticed possibly the bigger player base on the main server having an unseen, but potentially huge positive effect on your own success.
On the main server I manage to score more victories in Season and Tower without using any boosters (on Nutaku I repeatedly need boosters to ensure a decent win ratio) and also place within Top 4 in the Daily Contests more often.
On Nutaku by now I have often players in Daily Contests who score points in the millions which is often not reachable by normal means, especially with "Gain XP"-conditions as later worlds such as Hero University barely grant any XP despite having high Energy usage.
Summary of the live Q&A with Rosso KK
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Well, I am on Level 272 on my Nutaku account and thus technically in a position where probably could compete if I upgrade all my Legendary 5-star to maximum but the problem is that on Nutaku the Leagues are frankly spoken shit.
While on the main server you have 9 different leagues on Nutaku you only have 5 which means that all the 400+ players are piled up together in the Sexpert Leagues where you don't stand a chance even if you would use boosters.
On the main server I am "only" Level 193 yet due to starting this one four months later and my Harem is also smaller (67 to the 162 on Nutaku) so I can't yet man all Places of Power to maximize Resource income other than kobans.
In terms of daily contests etc. i've actually noticed it being much easier to place in the top 4 on the main server than on Nutaku, dunno if the Level has something to do with it.
I'm also not sure what would be more effective, to save up kobans and spend them for regular PoA and maybe PoV if the amount saved up is big enough to generally expand the harem and also take in more resources in general (PoV gives you lots of purple EXP books for example which can also help in daily contests) or ignore them and try to pine for a Mythic.
In Classic Events and Orgy days I normally try to get 2 or 3 guys without spending any kobans while ignoring Legendary Days or Kinky Cumpetition. Legendary Contest is a different beast as you combine it with daily contests and you can compete pretty well in it by simply gathering and saving resources beforehand.