SpinelesS Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) Not sure If I'm looking at this correctly or not, but isn't the Gacha WAY too expensive for it's potential prizes? This is how I see it: Costs 9000 Kobans. And you can win 1 of the following: A girl (great, though that may be because I have always had a thing for Bunny's Mother ) Or A consumable: everything except Sexy Lingerie costs less than 9000 (bad, unless you get sexy lingerie, then you have made a slighty decent deal) Or A Booster: everything except for Special Romantic Date (overpriced, and wouldn't buy if I had the Kobans) only costs 1500 Kobans (very Bad) Now if it was 1 of each, that would probably be a justifiable price... Edited August 28, 2019 by SpinelesS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquigglyPants Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 I figured I'd give it a try, and just as I expected I got Boss duration boost. The most worthless of boosts. A huge waste of the 9,000 kobans I had saved up. I want my Kobans back. I definitely agree with you that the rewards for the price are absolutely awful. I never give money to games that use Gacha or other loot boxes, and this game will certainly not be an exception to that rule. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuljoStpho Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 I hadn't even looked into comparing what the consumables / boosters would cost when bought directly and I was already thinking that the gacha looked horrendously overpriced just on the reasoning that I'd personally want the harem drop guaranteed for that price and even then I'd still hope that the price could be cheaper for the long term if/when there are tons more girls added to it. I'd imagine that this is just a "proof of concept" stage for this and that things will change in a future update though. Maybe not necessarily to something that will look that much more satisfying to people if their handling of the gacha system in Harem Heroes is any indication. But I'm sure they'll tweak it in some way. Harem Heroes on Nutaku (I haven't really looked at the Hentai Heroes version) has its gacha system (pachinko) set up with three versions: "Great Pachinko" has a free daily spin or you can pay the in-game cash (yemen?) for either 1 spin or 10 spins. Exact cost scales with harem size, or something like that. Possible prizes to get from each spin are equipment and books/gifts, but no chance for girls. Perhaps a Hentai Clicker version of this might cost mojo (since the Y money has crazy idle game scaling) for whatever would work as really basic types of prizes. Harem Heroes has added a bunch of options throughout the game to pick up free kobans but before they started adding those I had always hoped to see kobans as a possible prize in the "great" pachinko (and I still think it would have been a nice touch). "Epic Pachinko" costs 90 kobans for 1 spin or 900 kobans for 10 spins or 1000 kobans for... I think it's also 10 spins but there's a twist compared to the other 10 spin option? You're guaranteed to win exactly 1 girl with 10 spins and the 1000 koban option will offer you a choice between 2 girls for which one you'll take. Other possible prizes include equipment, books/gifts, and boosters. And prizes here can be (but aren't necessarily guaranteed to be) higher quality versions than the prizes in the "great" pachinko. The selection of possible girls that can be won is massive since it includes all the girls that can be dropped by the bosses in the story maps as well as pachinko exclusives and girls from whatever event might be running. For Hentai Clicker, I don't know about the pricing but I'd be surprised if we don't see something similar in place of the current 9000 koban non-guaranteed single spin. (Here's hoping that they'd opt for something more like 500 for 1 completely random spin and 5000 for 10 spins with a guarantee.) There is a huge difference in the number of girls available to be won though. They probably don't want to do something like this yet, with just two main prizes waiting for us. "Event Pachinko" costs 300 kobans for 4 spins and is only available when an event is active. Nothing is guaranteed, but possible prizes include specifically just the event's girls and only the highest quality equipment and gifts. If Hentai Clicker doesn't explode the roster of potential harem girls the way that Harem Heroes has, perhaps this might be more along the lines of how Hentai Clicker might format its gacha system instead of modeling after the "epic" pachinko. Like maybe Hentai Clicker could ask for 2500 kobans for 5 completely random spins, for example. (Still hoping for less unreasonable looking costs there, obviously.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icingdeath Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 9000 kobans for a 13 hour power up is a fucking joke when i can get them from the shop for a fraction of the cost 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator DvDivXXX Posted September 2, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 2, 2019 On 8/29/2019 at 4:13 PM, SquigglyPants said: I figured I'd give it a try, and just as I expected I got Boss duration boost. The most worthless of boosts. A huge waste of the 9,000 kobans I had saved up. Was the item you got at least removed from the pool for future Gacha rolls? I've been wondering about that (as I said in my feedback thread, even if that's how it works, it's still insanely overpriced and luck dependent, but a bit less so than if it's just 1 out of 18 every time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ledah Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Only the Girls get removed the 16 items stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator DvDivXXX Posted September 2, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 2, 2019 Wow, that's a really terrible deal, then. Thanks for letting me know! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpinelesS Posted September 6, 2019 Author Share Posted September 6, 2019 Whelp I got a stupid Advertisement Campaign worth 1.5k Is there anyone among those like me who were stupid enough to play the Gacha that actually got a girl? Also I'm currently unable to buy the booster I "won" for the next 12 hours. If you purchase all the boosters before you gacha would that rule out the chance of getting a booster, increasing the chances of getting a girl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotless Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) I think that the gacha should be just like epic pachinko is, with 900 kobans you get a single item with a small chance for a girl and with 9000 kobans you get a guaranteed girl drop along with 9 other items. Edited September 6, 2019 by Hotless 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerCast Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 On 9/6/2019 at 4:33 AM, SpinelesS said: Also I'm currently unable to buy the booster I "won" for the next 12 hours. If you purchase all the boosters before you gacha would that rule out the chance of getting a booster, increasing the chances of getting a girl? This is a really clever idea.. if it works, you could guarantee a girl for what... 20kish kobans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ledah 2 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) Sadly thats not how it works. Every booster stays in the pool if you win one it's duration will just get added. Edited September 8, 2019 by Ledah 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpinelesS Posted September 8, 2019 Author Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ledah 2 said: Sadly thats not how it works. Every booster stays in the pool if you win one it's duration will just get added. Hide contents Geez, how many Gacha's did you buy? and did you get a girl? Gotta say after wasting just 9000 and getting a 12 hr booster, my desire to play this game has plummeted greatly... Edited September 8, 2019 by SpinelesS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ledah 2 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, SpinelesS said: Geez, how many Gacha's did you buy? and did you get a girl? Gotta say after wasting just 9000 and getting a 12 hr booster, my desire to play this game has plummeted greatly... I already had both girls before, I just wanted to test your idea.So I just went into Gacha and did it a couple of times.If you are into math and want to do some calculations on the rates for each price here some numbers. "Note": I did the Gacha exactly 50 times. First Accumulate all hours for the boosters visible in the picture except for the last Booster since this one is a 4 hours booster while the others are for 12 hours: You'll get a total of 456 hours divide it through 12 hours, this makes 38 cheap boosters. Do the same for the expensive booster: 12 hours divided through 4 hours, makes 3 Expensive booster. So now we know that 41/50 Prices where Boosters and the other 9 Consumables. Dividing the hours from every booster separately shows us how often I got each boost. 4 times 4 times 3 times 6 times 4 times 6 times 3 times 5 times 3 times 3 times For the Consumables there is no mathematically way to show which rewards I got how often afterwards, you can only tell from the Picture that I have 200 hearts at that moment and I started with 0: 4x Rewards, 2x 100 hearts, 0x 200 hearts, 0x 500 hearts, 0x 1000 hearts, 3x Mojo Edited September 8, 2019 by Ledah 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuoIz Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) Looking at the numbers posted above, I would say there are not an equal % chance to get the items, the boosters sure, they seem even enough for it to be an equal chance of which one you get, but looking at the hearts, they should match the others, being about 3-4x each one of the options. This "proves" that the chance to get an item isn't equal chance. Hearts have a much lower drop rate then the other items, if not all heart items are counted as one. Meaning the chance to get a booster=chance to get one of the 4 hearts upgrades or a mojo one. I can only assume that getting a girl is even lower then the chance to get a heart upgrade, or best case senario, shares the %-rating. Looking at the price of "gacha gold/Yemen", it would probably be cheaper to go a couple of drawing courses, and draw your own girl, then to gamble for one in the gacha atm. AND that is not counting the chance, since this is beta, that something goes wrong and you lose your progress, girls you got, or money you spent. My 2 cents? Don't spend money on this game, atleast untill they are out of beta, and have either; Removed the gacha system or at the very least, give the %-chance for each item. (I wonder if the % is shown in the countries that require it to be shown, by law... Or what the option is for players in a country where loot boxes are illigal... Any player from Belgium for instance?) Edit: Line breaks. Edited September 14, 2019 by DuoIz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chthugha Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 8 hours ago, DuoIz said: Looking at the numbers posted above, I would say there are not an equal % chance to get the items, the boosters sure, they seem even enough for it to be an equal chance of which one you get, but looking at the hearts, they should match the others, being about 3-4x each one of the options. This "proves" that the chance to get an item isn't equal chance. Hearts have a much lower drop rate then the other items, if not all heart items are counted as one. Meaning the chance to get a booster=chance to get one of the 4 hearts upgrades or a mojo one. I can only assume that getting a girl is even lower then the chance to get a heart upgrade, or best case senario, shares the %-rating. Looking at the price of "gacha gold/Yemen", it would probably be cheaper to go a couple of drawing courses, and draw your own girl, then to gamble for one in the gacha atm. AND that is not counting the chance, since this is beta, that something goes wrong and you lose your progress, girls you got, or money you spent. My 2 cents? Don't spend money on this game, atleast untill they are out of beta, and have either; Removed the gacha system or at the very least, give the %-chance for each item. (I wonder if the % is shown in the countries that require it to be shown, by law... Or what the option is for players in a country where loot boxes are illigal... Any player from Belgium for instance?) Edit: Line breaks. It is not in beta though 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuoIz Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 On 9/15/2019 at 8:30 AM, Chthugha said: It is not in beta though 🤔 Sorry, that they removed the "Beta" from the main page... not sure if I should be scared, suprised or what...) Still, as I said " Don't spend money on this game, atleast untill they are out of beta, and have either; Removed the gacha system or at the very least, give the %-chance for each item. " I might have missplaced the "," but my thoughts stand, the prices is way to high, and there is no transparency. The system is built to cheat the people using it, and in such a big way it is easy to see from a mile away as the items "won" in the gacha are all of lower value then the gasha in it self. (except what, 2-3 items top?). It would be like buying a lottery ticket where the prices were all at a lower value then the ticket in itself. "But you win a booster," Some might say. If I was in a store, and I could either by a lottery ticket for €20.000 with "less then 1% chance" of a car, or Gift card worth €500. What would you choose? A lottery ticket for 20.000? Or simply a €500 gift card? Sure you might never get a car, but in this case, there are plenty of "cars" to be had, just by typing in another adress in the adress bar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ledah 2 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 (edited) Created a new account to test the numbers with the Girls included. This time I even wrote down in which order I got every single price instead of just calculatig the amount of the boosters. No idea what I should think about all this now, There is 1 Price that I got 9 times while on the other side there are 2 that I didnt even got 1 time. I got a girl on the 18, 28 & 32 Gatcha. Total amount of each Price. 9x Enchanted_Perfume 6x Ginseng_Beverage 5x Mojo-infused_Champagne 5x Deluxe_Appointments 3x Special_Romantic_Date 3x Sexy_Lingerie 3x Premium_Service_Offer 3x Honey_Finger_Scrub 3x Box_of_Chocolates 2x Ginger_Delight 2x Advertisement_Campaign 1x Sexting_to_Heroines 1x Stockings_Investments 1x Flowers 0x Mojo_Forged_Robot 0x Mojo_Blueprints 1x Louise_Carrot on 18th Gatcha 1x Svetlana on 28th Gatcha 1x Finalmecia on 32th Gatcha Complete List 01. Box_of_Chocolates 02. Enchanted_Perfume 03. Enchanted_Perfume 04. Premium_Service_Offer 05. Deluxe_Appointments 06. Special_Romantic_Date 07. Enchanted_Perfume 08. Enchanted_Perfume 09. Sexy_Lingerie 10. Enchanted_Perfume 11. Enchanted_Perfume 12. Advertisement_Campaign 13. Ginseng_Beverage 14. Advertisement_Campaign 15. Deluxe_Appointments 16. Mojo-infused_Champagne 17. Ginseng_Beverage 18. Louise_Carrot 19. Special_Romantic_Date 20. Mojo-infused_Champagne 21. Sexting_to_Heroines 22. Mojo-infused_Champagne 23. Special_Romantic_Date 24. Box_of_Chocolates 25. Honey_Finger_Scrub 26. Sexy_Lingerie 27. Deluxe_Appointments 28. Svetlana 29. Premium_Service_Offer 30. Deluxe_Appointments 31. Ginger_Delight 32. Finalmecia 33. Ginseng_Beverage 34. Ginseng_Beverage 35. Stockings_Investments 36. Enchanted_Perfume 37. Enchanted_Perfume 38. Mojo-infused_Champagne 39. Ginseng_Beverage 40. Deluxe_Appointments 41. Premium_Service_Offer 42. Ginseng_Beverage 43. Flowers 44. Enchanted_Perfume 45. Ginger_Delight 46. Mojo-infused_Champagne 47. Box_of_Chocolates 48. Sexy_Lingerie 49. Honey_Finger_Scrub 50. Honey_Finger_Scrub And a Picture Edited September 21, 2019 by Ledah 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taorin Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 I put a post in suggestions about what they could fix for non girl rewards, but as it stands now the Gacha is a really horrible system. It costs way to much for way to little chance of the only drop that matters and anything besides a girl is basically worthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuoIz Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Using Ledah 2's table, I made this for anyone interested, I might have made a mistake, since it is the middle of the night and I am lacking in coffe... But it should be about right for anyone interested. Item Won Gacha Cost Price "Worth" 01. Box_of_Chocolates 9000 2850 02. Enchanted_Perfume 9000 1500 03. Enchanted_Perfume 9000 1500 04. Premium_Service_Offer 9000 1500 05. Deluxe_Appointments 9000 1500 06. Special_Romantic_Date 9000 15000 07. Enchanted_Perfume 9000 1500 08. Enchanted_Perfume 9000 1500 09. Sexy_Lingerie 9000 12750 10. Enchanted_Perfume 9000 1500 11. Enchanted_Perfume 9000 1500 12. Advertisement_Campaign 9000 1500 13. Ginseng_Beverage 9000 1500 14. Advertisement_Campaign 9000 1500 15. Deluxe_Appointments 9000 1500 16. Mojo-infused_Champagne 9000 6750 17. Ginseng_Beverage 9000 1500 18. Louise_Carrot 9000 --- 19. Special_Romantic_Date 9000 15000 20. Mojo-infused_Champagne 9000 6750 21. Sexting_to_Heroines 9000 1500 22. Mojo-infused_Champagne 9000 6750 23. Special_Romantic_Date 9000 15000 24. Box_of_Chocolates 9000 2850 25. Honey_Finger_Scrub 9000 1500 26. Sexy_Lingerie 9000 12750 27. Deluxe_Appointments 9000 1500 28. Svetlana 9000 --- 29. Premium_Service_Offer 9000 1500 30. Deluxe_Appointments 9000 1500 31. Ginger_Delight 9000 1500 32. Finalmecia 9000 --- All girls obtained at 32 attempts, so other numbers can't be uncluded, as: "What you would get if a girl is rolled and you can't win one?" Total Cost: 288.000 "Worth": 124.950 ----------------------- Net Loss: 163.050 Assuming Girl value = Lost value 163.050/3 = 54.350 About 1x € 49.99 (60k) pack in the store, on avrage, from these numbers. 1 girl in other words costs about as much as an AAA game, provided you buy them and not wait for the game to give you the 500 gold daily. In case, you don't pay, but wait, you would, in theory, win a girl every 110 or so days, in other words, about 1 every 3-4 months. What I haven't done, but maybe should, but is to tired to do, is calculate the number of hearts won, the value, and the spending cost. By doing so it should be possible to get an estimated worth of a "heart" in the game too. Seeing as "Special Romantic Date" text says: Combo Each 20 clicks on an affection level does 5 times the affection (Affection being heart right? As ! seems to be called Excitment, and the Y-coins would be really weird if they had a combo/click multi.) Seeing as "SRD" has the highest cost in the store, followed by heart items, I would assume that these are seen as quite valuable, at least from the devs point of view, how much could be interesting to know, seeing as the game hands out about 500"gold" a day, but only 200 hearts. TL;DR Assuming you don't have bad luck, the gacha in the game isn't worth the money, if you are unlucky a girl could cost huge amonts, and if you are a free 2 play person, GL HF, you probably will never see the "Poster Girls" in the game for at least a year (and that is if you log in each and every day to collect the gold and do all the dailies). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taorin Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Most of those "worth" things are imo worthless though or completely arbitrary. I don't care about all the click things and things like the premium service offer could actually hurt bad. Special Romantic Date worth 15k? yeah i don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onrok Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 so, gacha is just a scam... i dont like that the clicker as amazing graphics (for a clicker)... but this is sad... not a single penny more will be spent on gacha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guty Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Aprenda a pronunciar When using GACHA to remove the item from the draw to give people more encouragement to play poker is difficult to have an incentive in this game yet another nauseating game that is always in the same shekel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mihai Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 It is true that the prices of the items in the shop are mostly bellow 9000 kobans which is the amount charged for gacha, however I want to make it clear that all items in the store are useless, because all items in the store are optional and hearts are free. However you can only get a gacha girl by playing gacha and by throwing that 9000 kobans dice. In my opinion gacha is the only thing you should spend kobans on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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