Master Holt

I finished the girls but I didn't hit claim last night because my phone was slow, am I going to get them anyway or do I need to contact support?

Yes I do she was one of my favorite girls when she came out. For the longest time she was my Beta, I would have been so happy getting hugged by her. I understand I have a minority opinion here, I like women stronger then me see my avatar, but why change the one thing that was the whole reason for her name she is an Octopus.

Or you buy the Legendary Cup item and have the two girls share it.💩

Well, I only really started paying attention to the forums this week. before that I was a rare lurker (Napa voice: Vagita, he's a Rare Pokemon, I'm gonna catch it) If you would point me to where these screen shots of what you have received are I will add that to the spread sheet.

Thanks for your information I added it to my spreadsheet and now it looks like this. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e1kwZ0MJedaI0aIPbGkWVvJni2E_ePZ4Ng_wUFl1vyg/edit?usp=sharing I have it so if I change Karole's level it updates how much of an expected cash reward each item is. So like it shows in the picture getting a Rare Lingerie is equivalent to winning almost three times, but you wouldn't even get half of a cash reward if you sell the item. If you keep me updated with your info I will keep the spreadsheet updated. or if you want to edit it yourself I can give you permission.

Ohhh,😞 I thought that was just the name of the scroll. Ok, maybe late April?!😟

Ohh, woah woah woah, I don't know any thing about what the next boss will have I want the next boss to give money, if they wanted to have a boss after the next boss give exp items I would think that would be cool but I don't want them all at once. and as for the next boss they have been putting out the new quests every week if they continue that we should have them around the begging of march

Ok, I can understand, in your position, that you feel you don't need more gifts. I am going to assume you are either maxed out on your stat purchases or close to, so almost all of your money goes into leveling your equipment. With 196 Maxed girls, is the $500,000 a day from Roko a big loss to your daily money? I know that is weird to ask "is half a million dollars a big loss" but I would think your harem should be giving you about the same amount every time they are full. So yes if you can only get on once a day losing half of your profit is bad, but if it's only 1\5 or less of your daily profit I'm still not seeing the down side of fighting Karole. You get the girls she has captured (eventually) you get additional affection items that wont always be common or rare. I may not be able to change anyones mind, I just think that this is a better thing then is being complained about. But I also think that I have said just about everything on this I can I am starting to repeat my self and we are going around in circles. So in order for us to stay friendly thank you for the debate, and may the RNG be ever in your favor.

First I have to disagree with this statement, if the Devs had come out and removed all the Boss girls from Pachinko there would have been plenty of people who would be screaming to get the Kobens they spent on wining one back. and there would be no pleasing them until they had back every last koben. Just take a look on the forums of how many times people want refunds right now. You are missing my point I use the purchase price because that's what it would cost you to buy the item if Karol just gave you money. Karol giving out affection items is worth more because you can now get affection without spending money on it. Possibly a lot of affection, remember each point of affection whether from a common flower or an epic lingerie costs you $417. So if you want to level your new Legendary to put her in your Alpha slot or you just got your Rare Waifu and you want to see all of her H-scenes, or you are leveling your Harem to get more money every time you collect from them you have to spend money on affection items and then give them a wad of cash. This stops you having to spend anything on affection items anymore (Depending on the breakdown of the drops of course). Don't sell them, even a common flower is affection points it is worth more to hold onto it and give it to your girls. And I know I keep saying this over and over but if you are just worried about getting money Roko is your better choice even if Karol was giving money. To begin with she would be giving you $16000 less per fight it would take 1600 fights just to get her back up to Roko's level, that is ruffly 30 days of fighting her without spending Kobens. And she maxes out only 20 levels higher that is only $2000 more per fight then Roko. Saberbholt said that would take 16 months to recoup what you loose just for fighting the new boss. So what are you loosing by not fighting Karol? The three Boss girls she has? If you're not going to level them why do you care? If you are going to level them you are going to need affection items.

It was past my bed time and I wanted to use my last ten points for the day, also it let me put everything in one picture rather then trying to make a collage of ten different screen shots. This is one of the reasons I want to start now because I want to see what the breakdown of each tier of rewards is, for example when there is just common and rare (your first 90 levels ) is the breakdown 50% 50%, 30% 70%, 99% 1%, because if we can get a close idea and the reward breakdown is terrible we can complain to the Devs and maybe have it edited. If its great we can show everyone that thinks it is a black hole of resource loss that they can still make money. If it's just fair and average then things will stay like they are some people will be happy some will be angry. I like having more information available to everyone in the community, being able to look up where the community has averaged the drop rate of girls helps me calm down when I hit the 6000th battle for a girl and still haven't gotten anything. I was hoping to have a resource so when someone hits world 11 in a year and doesn't have the Dev notes right there explaining about the boss just dropping items they might see this and grasp what there rate of return might be. Anyway back to what this is about, the rewards. I am trying to figure out how to get a spread sheet in my post that has the breakdown in it I just need to figure out what formulas I put in there. haven't done work with a spread sheet sense HS so any help on where to look for information would be appreciated. This morning I got; Rare flower x 5, Rare Lingerie x 2, Bracelet x 2, Chocolates x 4, and Lingerie x 2 at work I got; Lingerie x 3, Rare Chocolates, Bracelet x 2, Chocolates. Tonight; Flowers x 3, Chocolates x 3, Bracelet x 2, Lingerie x 3, R Flowers x 1, R Chocolates x 1, R Bracelet x 1, R Lingerie x 6.

So keep fighting Roko, if Karole was giving out money she would only be giving out $13,500 it would take 1600 battles to get her back to where Roko is at max. Then she would max out at $31,500 only $2000 more than Roko. How long would you have to fight her to in order to recover from your loss in those 1600 battles?

Yes you are absolutely correct the legendary girls are nothing but a money sink and they take forever to pay back. But the others don’t take that long, all of the starters only cost $1,701,000 to five star and give close to what a legendary does it takes between 37 to 75 days just collecting every two hours with eight hours uninterrupted sleep so less then three months and you are getting $23,045 every four hours and $10,850 every two in between ($135,580 a day). Then the common five stars, take $3,402,000 and take between 69 129 days so just over four months the commons give you $58,592 every four hours $15,036 every two in between and an additional $16,534 your first sixth and twelfth hour ($320,114 a day, $455,694 total a day). So about seven months and you now make enough every two days to raise a common 3 star girl all the way up or raise a rare 3 star girl to max in 5 days. Now everything I just said ignores how much affection you need and affection as I said earlier is $417 per point, so anything that gives me free affection is great, the three free points in Arena yes please items as rewards for activities, as long as I don’t get a common item for finishing a rare activity, sure. The biggest gatekeeper to leveling our girls has always been the affection cost and now they want to give me a free pass through the gate I will take that every day.

OK, there has been a significant change to the rewards for bosses and I would like to know if the percentage of rewards is a fair breakdown, please understand when I say fair I am not talking about selling price I don't expect that you should come out ahead of Roko if you sell the affection items I just want to make sure we are not falling behind if you were to buy these items maybe we could figure out what the percentage chance of common, rare, epic and legendary items are at each reward tier. For that we need info and I would really like the help of someone good at math. But first, Info this is my first recorded draw.

I’ve seen those guides and while I agree with there math (to a point I don’t know of any guides that have been made after they introduced rarity, but I also haven’t looked they may be there) I disagree that the girls have to pay back what you have spent before it is useful. Again I am able to acquire as much from my girls in two hours as I can in four hours of fighting the bosses. Heck if you were just worried about getting as much money as possible from fighting you would skip several of the bosses except for the mandatory fights for items. You would start with Dark Lord fight him until Edwarda (the first boss whose level starts above his max level) then fight her until Roko (again the next boss whose starting level is above her max) skipping everyone else. Following this you would be stuck fighting Roko for another 5-8 worlds anyway so it wouldn’t matter what the next boss gave you. I’m getting on a tangent In my mind and the style I play I like the new boss having a different reward and hope the Devs are listing to everyone, I understand that I am not in the vocal majority, but I hope there are enough people grateful for enough of the game to stick around. (However if everyone above me left it would be easier to get into Dicktator😋)

Thanks, And yes I am using the purchase price because everyone playing this game needs affection items, yes everyone even the guys at the top who have every girl maxed and have 99,999 legendary lingerie because every month the Devs are adding more girls usually, two legendary that cost 85,050 each to get to 5 star, 3 epic that cost 12.285 each to get to 3 star and 2 rares only 5,265 to get to 3 star. (OK quick math the guy with 99,999 legendary lingerie is OK for 121 years, but everyone else needs affection items) Now I may be a little different because I get a break at work every two hours and can quickly grab everything my girls have for me so I am getting $250,000 ish every two hours, which means every two hours I get a little less then I get from fighting Roko with 8 battle points (4 hours wait) and that is without all my girls being maxed. To be fair I have 121 girls if you have fewer and you are at this level you would be getting less but unless you only play once a day you can always get more money from your girls then you can from fighting the bosses. So selling the affection items is the worst thing you could do with them. If you don’t need them now you will in the future. Looking at what I do with my money, right now my biggest expense is buying legendary affection items every 8 hours, if I can now save that $300,000 to $1.2million (if I am really lucky on the draw) means I can spend that on leveling my girls faster, getting me more money, so I can level the girls faster, so I can get more money… Now all of this does depend on the breakdown of the rewards if it is something beautiful like 45, 25, 25, 5 we never need the shop and selling the affection items may be a net gain, if its something horrible like 85 10 4.8 .2 (that’s common, rare, epic, legendary,) then no it is a bad set up and must be changed and I will stand with anyone to say that. But it’s been a week, can we give the Devs a little longer? Roko is still there and he is worth more then Karole would be worth for a good 160 levels (1600 fights) if you need the cash, even if she did give money, Roko would be the better option.

Ok, I am going to take the unenviable position of suggesting this is not the end of the game, the Devs. didn’t screw up and that this will actually turn out to be a good thing giving you more money in the long run than you would get if the boss just gave us cash. Looking through the wiki I discovered that each point of affection costs 417 dollars whither you buy the common flowers or the epic lingerie. So every item that drops is giving you 417 dollars times the number of affection points. Using the number Tee Jay stated for Roku’s starting reward of $11,500 (I think that’s right but can’t find where the Devs said where he started) you would need to be given an item with 27.5779 affection points, the item that comes closest to that is the common lingerie with 25. This means that half of the items Karol can give you are worth less than what you would get in cash, flowers $1251 chocolates $2,919 bracelet $6,255 lingerie $10,4525 and half are worth more, Rare flowers $16,680 Rare chocolates $25,021 Rare bracelet $33,361 Rare lingerie $41,701 I would point out that those last two are worth more than what you would receive from max level Roku for one battle. Now obviously there is the factor of randomness that comes into play, some one here that is good at math could tell you exactly where the break even point is but as long as the breakdown isn’t some where around 80% common items 20% rare you should be making more money from the beginning of Karol’s battles then you were at the end of Roku’s. At the highest level, half of Karol’s items are worth more than you could get from multiple battles against Roku. legendary flowers $291,900 – 9.89 Roku fights legendary chocolates $396,150 – 13.43 Roku fights legendary bracelet $500,400 – 16.96 Roku fights legendary lingerie $625,500 – 21.20 Roku fights Now I am sure some of you want to point out that you don’t need affection items, you have all 235+ girls, every single one of them is max level and you have 99,999 Legendary Lingerie. For everyone else, even if all of your girls are at max affection and you have lots of affection items, you are going to need more. There are new girls arriving every month, at least one of those is a legendary or epic so spend the free battle points to get free affection. Now of course all of this depends on the split of rewards, but so far I haven’t seen the sky fall in, so maybe tap the breaks, keep an eye on the actual breakdown of rewards and give the Developers a chance to add some change to there game. I know that we come to expect certain things and when there is no explanation before a change happens it is human nature to expect the worst. But I think, I hope, that with the time the Devs have put into this game so far and the improvements they have done (Faster quest releases, better art, more varied girl types) and those that they have talked about (improving the clubs, giving us a way to tell how close we are to catching a girl) that they want to make the best product available. Remember even with as polished as some parts of this game are it is still and will hopefully always be a developing game things will change, hopefully for the better, sometimes not. The biggest “problem” I see this change might cause is that after world 11 if they give other prizes on other worlds (every other world please I still would like some of the future bosses to still give money)the store may become obsolete. If I could go to world 11 and farm affection or world 13 to farm exp or 15 to farm something else (probably not items that would be just too powerful) then I have choices on what I want to do instead of just slamming my self against whichever boss wall is the highest level over and over for two months while I am running through the world.