Zorba the Geek

Got her for the third time... In a know-how account, AGAIN! Grrr. Why can't I get her in hardcore? It's a conspiracy to frustrate, I tell you! It's a conspiracy!

Life goes on. I had a crack at Epic Pachinko (5 plays) and got one epic, 3 legendary items, as well as Skytte - not my fav girl but what the heck. I'm in front in the contest for the casino now, but I don't expect to remain there for long. I took advantage of the fact that most of you would be spending money on trying to get Levitya thus giving me a clear run at winning the contest.

Or they fall asleep, bored with our 'moral compasses'! Yes, you're right about the comic book thing. I appreciate that most players probably have an expectation of the horny nympho stereotype and it would be hard for HH to break from this mould in case players left in droves. However, there is some scope for more imaginative thinking that maybe takes us out of our comfort zones (maybe just a little at first). They might lose some players but would gain a lot more. As an example, I posted a comment about Loving Justine and how the script writers completely missed the opportunity to paint her in a way beyond her one-dimensional obsessional and possessive, nutcase personality. This post was removed (possibly because I went off topic, or perhaps because I hit a raw nerve) but not before I had three likes. So some people actually agreed with me. Valentines Day was a golden opportunity to explore that annoyingly romantic notion called love: giving of oneself for another person and sacrificing in a way that one's partner gets it and responds to it in kind - giving of oneself without words so much, but deeds. This is actually a lot more erotic for most guys I know than a full-on sex fest and girls covered in cum. I choose not to display these profile images in my harem and instead choose images of my girls in only a moderate state of undress because the mystery of 'what's under the bonnet' is more arousing for me than full-on dripping nakedness. But that's me and maybe I'm just weird. HH got ever so close in the notion of true love with two of the successive daily missions for the Loving Moments event: Bunny sad and disengaged, so our hero gives her a very loving and soothing massage without any sex. Next scene, Bunny was surprised and wondered why he didn't take advantage, but she responded to this self-sacrifice by kissing him (tenderly?) and cuddling up to him. It was clear from the second scene alone that she really loved him and this has also been shown in how she comes to the rescue right throughout the game at unexpected times on a hunch or a feeling. Generally, though, our hero is a bit of a tosser and I'd find it hard to see how any girl not heavily into nympho porn and wanting him for his huge cock alone would find him remotely attractive. That Loving Moments scene showed another side to him, a welcome side. I thought Justine, in her second rendition, could have been sensitively and lovingly manipulated into taking a different route and I wrote alternative affection scene scripts to reflect this (the posting that was removed). I personally think Justine is one of the hottest and most beautiful girls in the HH collection and a better script that showed a truer vulnerable and uncertain side to her might have capitalised on this. As it was actually presented, the script was fatuous and made no connections or sense whatsoever for any Valentine's Day theme. It is just the same with how they progressed Lenaëlle's character (or didn't, as it turned out). I haven't got beyond her second star yet so I can't really be sure, but my expectations for anything beyond the usual for her final affection scene are not high. Given how she was painted from the word go, this was a tragically lost opportunity.

Yes, this game's bad for my health! I need a seatbelt for my computer chair or a highchair because I did my shoulder in again. I got such a shock the first time Levitya dropped for me I lost my balance and fell off my chair again. No bull! I put it down to almost falling asleep - a very tired zombie at the casino is a good analogy. Besides, I had psyched myself up for zero success. So one could say there is a serious physical health downside to pessimism! That menacing black shadow that fills the screen whenever a random drop occurs can be a real shock (and a thrill at the same time), especially since it is a rare event for most of us.

I don't believe this is true. No matter how many times you might do battle the chance to get the girl remains the same. As you, yourself, said she might drop at your first fight or you might have to battle over a 100 fights (or 500 for no success in some reported cases). I'm relaxed about the whole thing. If she doesn't drop at all for my hardcore accounts (and no luck so far) then I'm okay with that, even though I might be at an ultimate disadvantage in the arena. I remember trying and trying for Justine in my one hardcore account then after I discovered her hardcore stats when I ugraded her in my know-how account. I had no success at all.

Ah yes, but I uncovered a flaw in this affection bonus thing (one of many flaws about the arena in my opinion). If your girls are maxed out in affection (as they usually are if they're on your battle team) the bonus listed that you can win (Aff 3, Aff 4 or Aff 5) is not assigned to you if you win. Because we can choose who is on our team at any time, it would be fairer to assign affection bonuses to the yet-to-be-assigned window so we can choose which girl to offer affection. We should not be penalised, in effect, for using maxed out girls on our teams. There might be a girl waiting in the wings needing to be upgraded before we can use her in the arena. What's even worse is that a girl sitting on the green upgrade button is not given any bonuses. Also, the amount assigned for a win seems to be tied to that purile dominance system and it's far too low anyway. Getting girls' affection up via this route is like building up and creating a 10cm thick panel by applying paint layer by layer. I'd die of old age before I saw any results this way! I don't see any evidence that the reported bonus is actually applied anyway, unless the increment is so low I hardly notice! I suspect a bug in the system. The other crap thing I usually encounter (especially during the daily bonus quests) is that the choices I have are, more often than not, three opponents at levels 10-15 higher than mine and egos 20k higher. For this level of unfairness, while I don't begrudge battling and getting beaten by opponent whose team is simply better than mine (same or similar level and rank) if I choose to do battle I am often penalised by a loss in mojo of 31 against a row of higher ranked opponents because I cannot beat them, especially if they are charm with Abraël maxed out as alpha and Flight Attendant as beta. In this regard, I've noticed a steady increase in the proportion of charm opponents as if players are switching their class to charm to overcome the unfairness in the proportion of 5 star charm girls vis a vis hardcore and know-how. Soon we will all switch to charm and then what would be the point of the class system? Hardcore players are especially unfairly treated. If I get beaten by charm with higher stats and ego than me I encounter the maximum penalty due to that arcane dominance system which invariably favours charm opponents, yet another example of how the deck has been stacked in favour of charm. Matching opponents used to be much more closely tied to rank, but this has gone out the door, it seems. It's like trying to understand Rugby Football without keeping up to date with the six-monthly rule changes. I believe HH need to go back to the drawing board with the arena or scrap it altogether.

For my newest account I'm in the same boat and in the same place with two of the three Sylvanus' girls yet to collect. I reiterate my view that what troll these event girls are captured by should relate to what world we are in at the time. This would make it fairer and ensure that nobody suffers a cost penalty for going back to battle those very early trolls that pay out stuff all. Having said that, I think HH are imposing upon us the agony of choice. Do we try for new event girls or do we aim to maximise our revenue to upgrade the ones we have? This might be seen as part of the fun of the game... and I realise I might have just destroyed my own argument! That's the price I pay for stream-of-consciousness postings!

That's just it. It's pure chance and that's how the game was set up. It ought be described as a game of chance or gambling because that's what it is and is how people react to it. I say, thank God we don't get real girls this way since slavery was abolished. If we did I'd expect a lot of relationship disasters! It always takes two and that's why I'm dubious about a lot of the scripting of the stories in this game. If I came across aggressively sexual girls like this I'd probably get scared, lose what hard-on I might've had and run a mile, even with amazingly cute and pretty girls like Hari and Fairy. The situation re. Lenaëlle suspends disbelief and I was hugely disappointed. You're probably not there yet so I won't spoil it, but see what you think when you're through Plain of Rituals. She is just not how shy girls react to sex and their need for it and I won't give you the full reason for holding this view. I will remain cryptic!

That is just plain bad luck and I'm sorry to hear it. I had the same in my second know-how account then suddenly... Bang! Everything changed and I was on cloud nine again. I got Kimie, Pooky and then onto Nicole one after the other in that order in one round of 20 battles and it changed everything. Never give up and don't think you are doing anything wrong, except maybe stressing too much and trying too hard in so many battles. Everytime without exception, when I took a little break from the game and went back to it later I had immediate success, but if I ground away in battles non-stop using up kobans, zero success. I don't believe that the more you play the greater are your chances because I've never found that from my own experience. It is just plain random luck if you get a girl - or not as the case may be.

Oh wow! You got it! However, I have sympathy cos I was clicking away like a mindless zombie at the casino. I've been sooo pathetic and I'm really angry with myself at my lack of willpower! I broke every rule I set for myself and I had to battle really hard with myself not to waste any more recharges. I discovered that wasting kobans does not increase your chances since I got this girl in two of my know-how accounts where I wasn't seriously trying, but in my hardcore accounts? ... Kobans down the drain for no success whatsoever, but I AM about to try again since my combativity in my hardcore accounts is just about to recharge fully. This time I'll do it all normally and simply hope for the best. If she drops she drops. Epic Pachinko has been a much better investment of my kobans and I've had a lot of success there.

She dropped for me just a moment ago in one of my know-how accounts. Here's hoping for hardcore!

Yes, Kalissa has 5 stars now. Again great for charm class, but pretty useless for the rest of us.

I sure agree with you here re. one girl for each class. I got this girl, but in my newest know-how account so she'll be no better than eye candy. I'm not giving up by any means, but, so far, I've had zero success in my all-important hardcore accounts, despite trying hard, spending kobans and getting sore wrists and fingers from all that mouse activity. I got her in that know-how account with little effort and I'm saving my kobans in my know-how accounts for Epic Pachinko. By the way, Lenaëlle now has a 5-star option and her charm stats look as good (on the face of it anyway) as the hardcore stats are for this new girl. I haven't checked Kalissa yet to see if she can be upgraded to 5 stars. The 'legendary' hype for Levitya seems no more than that. Imagine if Pelagie, Cupid-chan, Cunegonde, Justine or Edna were upgraded to 5 stars for the benefit of hardcore players. They would be near unbeatable and it would do a lot to redress the balance that is currently hugely in favour of charm a lot better than the new girl would achieve, given that the chances of getting her over 3 days are so low. I'm assuming that this is a 'testing of the waters' by HH to see if the idea could be more generally adopted. If so, this is where they might offer girls in other classes.

Hey, well done! It's a pity you're charm in this respect (although charm players are hardly disadvantaged given the number of 5 star girls you can have already and Kalissa about to be upgraded). I got her in my newest know-how account, but it looks like she'll be great eye candy if nothing else. Then there are all her affection scenes to look forward to. Her hardcore stats are way out in front but this may not be the full answer. Players would have to see how she performs in the arena, then we'll see just how 'legendary' she is. So far Dark Lord is tenaciously holding onto her in my hardcore accounts, but I refuse to use any more kobans to try for her. It doesn't seem to make much difference. Chance is chance and luck wins out. God it would be great to have her in hardcore! We players have to rely on Bunny rather too much and her pussy must be getting as sore as our hero's cock right now. She needs a break. Furthermore, since she's a bunny and it's close to Easter, there is a real risk she might fall pregnant if we keep fucking her!

My own experience shows just how random this process is. Around 35 tries in my newest (know-how account, dammit) and she drops. 110-150 tries (so far) in my two hardcore accounts and zilch. However, I have no intention of using all my kobans to 'will' her to drop in these accounts, but it's a bit like what happened with Justine for me. She dropped for me in my know-how account, but simply held out in my single hardcore account I had at that time. It goes back a comment of mine ages ago that grinding away spending kobans gives you no greater chances that she'll drop than taking a break and trying later. She only has to drop once, and if she doesn't then that's our tough luck. Save your kobans, guys, and try for her in the normal way.

Yes, she dropped for me in another account after that number of tries, but that account is know-how so she's not much value, except as eye candy. Still, there's some hope I'll get her in my hardcore accounts. At least she's real (sort of) and not an April Fools joke.

Goddamm!! I've done my shoulder in again after I picked myself off the floor! The reason? Pity she dropped in one of my know-how games and only after 30 tries in a game where I'm level 113 (my newest). "We wants her in hardcore, preciousss!" Now to find out how she turns out and back to battling Sylvanus and more money!

Indeed it does! It takes quite a bit of management on my part. The plus side is that I have an increased chance of getting different girls, especially in Epic Pachinko, and I can plan strategically. For example, in my hardcore games I'm going all out to try for this girl (and using up kobans to do so), but in my know-how games (I don't have any charm) I'm only trying when combativity maxes out naturally after 10 hours and I'm saving my kobans for Epic Pachinko. The real grind is the damned arena battles and daily missions. It's difficult at the moment because the game hangs so often with lots of 503 errors. Hopefully this will be fixed once the maintenance upgrade is completed. Then there is the fact that I do actually have a life beyond this game!

Yeah, you're probably right and, as I said in an earlier post, I believe the drop rate for this girl has been deliberately lowered to reflect her status and rarity. It also becomes a matter of choices... Do we expend precious kobans to try in vain for this girl or do we save them for Epic Pachinko and, in my case since I have all the regular random drop girls, get exclusives only? In my hardcore accounts this so-called legendary girl is sure worth trying for as her base level stats suggest real potential at her fifth star, but if that's the only way for hardcore players to get justice and fairness vis a vis charm then it's a very expensive path we have to take. I take it you've been successful getting her. The newer players seem to have been, as it would appear (but has never been acknowledged) that the more girls one gets the lower the probability of a drop. When I first started playing I seemed to get right through the early worlds without winning more than 1 or 2 random drop girls, but, with many more girls in my harem subsequently, when I went back much later on to try for the event girls Dark Lord held, I'd get the event girls but the regular girls refused to drop, except after 100 or more battles. However, in my newer games when I learned how to play better, I got the girls from Dark Lord, Ninja Spy and Gruntt quite easily (especially since there are now so many events meaning I battled them more often) and it was the girls from later worlds that were much slower to drop than for my earlier accounts. In my first accounts, however, where I had far fewer of these girls from the early worlds, girls from Edwarda, Donatien and Sylvanus were obtained quite easily lending weight to my theory that the subsequent drop rate is related to the number of girls in our harems. By the time I got to Bremen and Finalmecia, I had quite a few girls by then and their girls were much harder to obtain. Just one last point, Jessie Chan stated that the drop rate is the same, no more no less, so what is true? Is she referring to drop rates for regular random drops or for event girls because the respective drop rates are different and, in the case of event random drops, not tied to numbers in our harems (this was the only clue we had that drop rates for regular girls are, indeed, tied to the number of girls in our harems). Her statement is very ambiguous. Either way, we should have obtained this girl by our 50th-100th battle to bring her into line with regular random drops (as I said, event girls are different). That has certainly been my experience. The other thing is that we have only 3 days to get her. This ought to be a factor in her scarcity and difficulty in obtaining her in its own right.

Hey, this kind of abuse (from both of you!) is not on!! I have to say this is real troll-like behaviour and I'm not talking about the villains in this game! This is not Twitter! Try to keep it seemly huh.

Well done those who battled after fewer than 20 tries. In my two hardcore accounts (where I'm focused on trying to win this vixen) I've battled in each 110-120 times for zero success. In this account I tried from the time Dark Lord was on lvl 12 and went through to when he was maxed out at 30, plus another 20. This is 110 tries. I refuse to go below 1000 kobans as, if I can't get her to drop after expending nearly 2800 kobans I'll never do it. Epic Pachinko is a better deal. It seems the newcomers have had the greatest success and there appears to be the adage that the more girls you have the lower the drop rate - at least for normal random drops (not event girls) and this one behaves like a normal random drop to me. Never mind, I shall keep trying, but I don't count my chances. Based on the number of tries, this has been my worst performance in a so-called event since I started playing seriously in November last year (in my know-how accounts). Prior to this, I won both event random drop girls in the last three events for each of my accounts and the average was 20 tries against Dark Lord before he had a spasm and gave up his girls. In my know-how accounts, I'm not making a concerted effort to win her and I'm saving my kobans for Epic Pachinko, but it would appear this girl's hardcore stats are in another league so I simply have to try harder in my hardcore accounts. As someone might've said: "We wants it Preciouss. We wants it bad. Nasssty Hentai Heroes!" So I'll keep going all the way to Mordor if necessary.

I'm amazed then. This information should not have been released yet, even on the wiki. I think it's appalling and is clear evidence of a bias towards charm by HH. In two of my accounts I could swap from know-how to charm as I have Abrael's affection maxed out in both. She might prove useful once I level her XP up to max. Alternatively I could swap one of these accounts to hardcore to take advantage of the fact that I have the original version of Justine whose stats are great. I know this too because I've been up against players with her as beta and she's hard to beat - like my hardcore account where I have Edna. This cute but strange girl would have to be my absolute top beta girl. However, re. class change, why the hell should I!? I'm very suspicious of the change to class and what it would actually mean. I also assume other players would have the same idea so most of my opponents would be charm (a lot already are). I might stuff up, then I'd have to pay to restore my original class. I might just stick to upgrading Samane. I'm nearly at 8m (and I need 19m). It sounds daunting, but once I get over the 10m barrier I'll be over the hump, psychologically speaking. I'm already resisting the temptation to max out Princess Noemy (or Jennie, for that matter). Hey, just a thought... I know it's a bit off-topic, but in my newest account (know-how) I have Sailor Celsius as my alpha - I have used her ever since I maxed out her affection. I've also maxed out Kelina and I tried swapping them over as (on paper anyway) Kelina has better all-round stats than Sailor Celsius. However, it didn't work out as, with Kelina, I was being all too regularly trounced in critical damage attacks in the arena battles. I don't know what it is but Kelina is lacking something. When she's alpha, although my team's overall stats improve (quite a lot, including defence against charm and hardcore attacks), I get beaten a lot more often than if Sailor Celsius is alpha, even by opponents 5-10k lower ego than me. They often come up from well behind to beat me (so frustrating!). It's crucially timed critical damage I regularly sustain that does me in. Am I missing something here? I'm not even at the point of picking up Samane yet and upgrading Red Battler and Princess Agate is still way off because my earning capacity is rather low. I'm really struggling with this account and maybe I'd better leave the new acquisitions alone and focus on upgrading my potentially better know-how girls, but I'm totally lacking in will-power!! I'm always drawn to checking out the affection scenes of new girls, such as the ultra cute Spring Rumiko. Back to Tachibana. Her last affection scene is so outrageous I couldn't help laughing out loud. Yes, she could cause serious damage, but she's a tremendously skilled and precise gymnast let alone an expert ninja! Go girl!!!(!)

Is Lenaelle charm too? Oh my f'n God! How do you know this? I don't want to switch to charm just because the design and obvious pro-charm bias within the game suggests I should, even though I've maxed out Abrael's affection in two accounts. However, I notice how some players across all classes have managed to upgrade their girls and achieve some amazing ego levels and attack power for relatively low XP levels. This suggests they spent a lot in buying kobans, got lucky with girls that dropped for them, or scored some truly useful equipment (these are expensive for what we get). Sure you can't use them to purchase items any more but you can perform final upgrades of the girls with them. For instance, if I wanted to upgrade Samane in this game (which I won't because I'm hardcore) I suspect it would cost me 19.6m cash or 6000 kobans. It's a strong temptation to use them for this instead of Epic pachinko and is something for each player to weigh up. I think there is a steady push by HH to encourage players to buy kobans. I can understand this, and it is a business after all. In the meantime I have to accept that I lose in arena battles more than I win because of my opposition's upgrades of their stats and girls. Fortunately for me I don't lose sleep over this and I just work steadily to upgrade my girls whenever possible and I've got both of the event revival random drop girls already. What I do get annoyed about arena battles is the pure luck and timing factor. I may be well in front but I get beaten when I sustain critical damage too frequently at the end when my remaining ego level is too low to sustain this. It's impossible to win under such circumstances. Similarly the order at which I lose ego coupled with even a single critical damage event sustained (compared with the lack of damage my opponent suffers) has a bearing on whether I win or lose against a closely matched opponent. Unfortunately for me I haven't had a lot of luck in this regard. For those players starting out, the new system is very hard to get around and it is difficult to afford upgrades, especially as it now takes 10 hours to recharge combativity to 20 points (if one is through the game a bit and has been battling a particular troll long enough to earn a decent income from wins against him/her). Being dragged back to try to win event girls from Dark Lord and Ninja Spy is guaranteed to put a break on our earning capacity.

100% agree with what you said.

Do you mean to say Eclosion and winged angel actually starts? Well, I'll be... I'm assuming that means we'll now have a chance to get Lenaelle and find out what her class is. If she's not hardcore and with the 5 star option from the start I'll spit sparks!! Not just because I'm hardcore, but because charm players have had all the advantages of the most competitive girls to date and hardcore has lagged behind in 5 star upgrades. While Samane's and Abrael's attack power are each 11,400, hardcore Fairy is only 9,900 (still good though). I'm wondering why she's not the same as the other two. Surely that would be fairer. I'm assuming, too, that Kalissa will be upgraded to 5 star potential soon which means the game further favours charm. I suppose I could change over to charm, but I don't think that would be an advantage since I have Abrael only on 3 stars and Jennie is on 2. I don't think I can afford to upgrade either of them any time soon. Anyway, that's not the point. Our class was selected at random and so everyone should be treated fairly.