Knockout Clarisse is not a judoka.

[Eusebio]

I am a judoka. I don't know what martial art Knockout Clarisse is supposed to be doing, but she is not a judoka. Kicking, punching, talking about knockouts at all - not very reminiscent of Judo. Also in her profile, ukemi is incorrectly translated as "throw". Ukemi is a breakfall. Nage would be a throw, or more typically nage-waza (throwing technique)

I don't know if this is an Austin Powers type misunderstanding (in the 60's in Britain, every martial art was called judo, similar to how someone unfamiliar today might call any martial art karate), but it is not correct.

Mod Edit: spoilers removed. Div*

 

Edited May 19, 2022 by DvDivXXX
Mod edit: Redacted

[lepidocter]

I'm a man. I can assure that there's nothing like girls made of jelly. Tentacles, fluid body, missing organs - nothing reminiscent of a real girl body. That probably depend on the '90 anime trend of tentacle sex, where every girl was molested by tentacles.

(To say that they probably don't care a lot of such details).

Edited May 19, 2022 by lepidocter

[Eusebio]

I think you are confused at the difference between fiction/fantasy, and factually wrong/misdefined. An apple is not a banana. 

Edited May 19, 2022 by Eusebio

[DvDivXXX]

1 hour ago, Eusebio said:

I think you are confused at the difference between fiction/fantasy, and factually wrong/misdefined. An apple is not a banana. 

I think you are confused between giving niche feedback on something very specific and reporting a "bug". Please learn the difference from now on.

Have an opinion to share? FEEDBACK forum.
Have a question to ask? QA - Question & Answer forum.
Have an actual technical issue you know the game and tech well enough to be reasonably sure about to report? BUG REPORTING.

Also please mind your tone. Lepid was being funny, and you clearly didn't realize how out of left field your outrage was, over a detail no one else cares about (probably not even among other martial artists experts in the player base). Lastly, we're not supposed to post advance poses or other spoilers on the forum. They're tolerated in battle screenshot situations, but posting the entire bio with her final pose is not cool.

Friendly warning for the above this time. Thanks.

[Eusebio]

Incorrect/inaccurate text is not a bug? I'm a software developer myself, I would certainly appreciate someone pointing it out if I shipped it to production. I am a beta tester for Pornstar Harem on the Discord, and plenty of very similar textual related bugs have been raised in the #bug-reports channel and fixed there. This may not be a breaking bug, but it is still something that should be fixed, no different than if there was a typo in the story text. btw, I already reported it in the Discord before reporting it here, and it was well received as well as noted by others. Would you keep the same energy if a Japanese localization of the game was incorrect? It's basically the same thing here, just a single case.

What I shared is neither an opinion, nor a QA, so I didn't know where else to raise it. It ticks the boxes for me for a bug. I acknowledge it is minor, but at the same time, it is an easy fix.

I apologize for posting the spoiler, it did not cross my mind that the profile would not be available, but it was to illustrate the bug in question. Rather than removing it entirely, it could have been put behind spoiler tags or a link.

I took the initial response as hostile to me, joke or not. I responded with clarification that was not an attack. Outrage is not really an accurate characterization of either of my posts - at all. I'm merely pointing out, plainly, some niche information that I happen to know well, in the hopes of educating and having it corrected. 

Edited May 19, 2022 by Eusebio

[DvDivXXX]

1 hour ago, Eusebio said:

(long rant)

You know in which area you lack the knowledge to understand where I'm coming from about your nitpick? Hentai Heroes. Knockout Clarisse is not a brand-new character that was created from scratch, it's the third version of Clarisse, a girl almost as old as the game. She already had "Career: Judoka" back in 2017, and in her best iteration yet, Competitive Clarisse, two years ago as well. So right off the bat, posting a "bug report" just about the brand-new variant of this long-time recurring character comes across as a bit weird, and even assuming your report is valid and welcome as you say it was well-received on Discord, at the very least this was an incomplete report, which lacked basic research on the relevant game content.

I typically wouldn't consider even a clear typo (in the original text or in any translated version) as "a bug". An error, sure, maybe even something that needs to be fixed, but definitely not a bug. Taking issue with the fact that Clarisse has been a judoka in this fictional universe, consistently for five years, is VERY far removed from something as objective as a typo or even an error. There are plenty of things in HH and other fictional content that aren't accurate. Even a lot of core scientific concepts in Sci-Fi movies with a clear "realistic" vibe. Among many other things that are routinely misrepresented in fiction even on a basic level, often to the point of being cliché or tropes, that anyone who has experience and/or expertise of one of those things in real life will find beyond ridiculous. People don't consistently and conveniently fall asleep with a single knock on the head, let alone without severe, life-threatening injuries. Someone typing fast on a keyboard while there are bogus 3D animations spontaneously forming on their computer screen are neither hackers nor legitimate magicians. And so on and on. It matters so little that a girl in a kimono who vaguely does martial-art looking moves is called a "judoka" or whatever else... That it's clearly an OPINION of yours. At best a suggestion, or feedback. It's NOT a clean-cut error you happened to notice and that's an easy fix if you have your say.

The other thing you're not familiar with is this community, or at the very least this forum. That's also why your post came across as pretty damn pedantic and frankly ridiculous here, and Lepid's reaction to make a quick analogy as a joke to try and help you see the vibe you were sending was perfectly cool and not hostile at all. The fact you took it that way means you forgot to leave your high horse at the door before joining us. We care more about your attitude than your résumé, here. I was also in the closed beta for PSH, and I routinely even forget to report English and/or French mistakes in the main story of HH, and I've pointed out many issues in other areas over the years, primarily art. I've dabbled in QA for a bit, it's a thankless torture of a "job", especially for poorly thought-out localization material. It's not that those things about your past aren't interesting in and of themselves, or that we couldn't share such anecdotes in our exchanges once you join this community. It's that the way you present them here reeks of a poor-man's attempt at an argument of authority on your nitpick. And we don't partake in this kind of bullshit approach to topics or people around here.

Lastly, no, removing your picture was the right call, and it was a moderation call. That's not for regular users to say, let alone someone who literally made their first post today, thank you very much. Spoiler tags no longer work, links to the wiki page of any particular girl are indeed easy and convenient enough (except when the owner forgets to renew the domain name and the wiki goes off the grid like last week ^^), and you'll see how to do so from my links in this post, for future reference. But your post didn't need a picture at all. You were contesting the legitimacy of a text line in Clarisse's (three variants') profile: "career: judoka". That's clear enough as is.

Anyways. Good for you if your suggestion found interest on Discord. It's even less useful to reiterate it here on the forum, in that case. Devs and most of Kinkoid's staff follow Discord a lot more than their own official forum. And we forum regulars can't really do anything about this kind of veiled rant, and don't particularly appreciate it. You're more than welcome to stick around and post other stuff in the relevant section, though. Just a word of advice: this is a forum of fans of Kinkoid's games, primarily for discussion about and around various aspects of Kinkoid games. If you want to report something specific to Kinkoid, it's a much safer bet to either send an in-game ticket to Support (who can forward it to the relevant team) or, as you already have, post it on Discord than here. If you want to have a good time here, it's much better to just look around, get a bit of a feel of the place, then open up and contribute at your own pace and at your own leisure. We have people who make jokes, people who share very advanced theories on anything and everything HH, and everything in between. What we don't have is what you seem to have initially expected: a platform for the support, content, or dev teams to receive and handle minor suggestions, let alone quickly.

Either way, have a good day. And stay salty, my friend. 😇 (Extra points for the reference on that one ^^).

[Eusebio]

9 minutes ago, DvDivXXX said:

(equally lengthy diatribe)

Agree to disagree here! I have already submitted the in-game ticket after locating it (and yes, I did notice and report the same issue with original Clarisse after noting this one) - not my intention to cause conflict, in fact, I didn't really expect anyone to reply at all! All the best.

[lepidocter]

* No more relevant*

 

Hey, it was a joke! And not on you, but how the paraphrase could have been applied to other stuff in the game.

Be marry. This forum is not toxic.

Edited May 19, 2022 by lepidocter

[Eusebio]

2 minutes ago, lepidocter said:

They're both fruits, and the joke was about the sympathetic equivalence. It's called 'paraphrase' and is a common rethoric figure. Usually made to extrapolate the context and underline the actual meaning or fallacy of a sentence or dialectic structure.

You look like the guy that pretend others are wrong the whole time to prove himself right, proving yourself wrong twice. You dunno who you're speaking to, so it's generally better to use empathy instead of assertiveness.

The same can be said of this last consideration. HaremVerse is a multiverse that join a lot of whatever worlds and parallel dimensions, in a fictional, irrational context. There's no indication that the fictional character attempted any 'judo' you know, but an alternative. Or I should say that in many fictions, 'going faster than light' is impossible - but they did, while referencing a property of light itself.

That said, you did good to underline the mistake - it was the tone that I've underlined on my part.

In the great amount of interests and knowledges a man can collect in his life, you can consider judo as the last one - and this  doesn't depend on a spreaded misconception of things, that make you better and all others wrong. It depend by such facts:

A] the amount of knowledge you can amass is limited

B] the amount of time you own is limited, so the time for revisions and indepths are

C] judo is not an essential knowledge to survive nowadays

D] judo is, for most of people, just an Olympic medal (that, to be honest, my country steal the whole time and *no one* care the same)

Hope this clarify positions, that it was a fun reading n your part and we'll become great friends here in the forum. I'll stun them with a Gyaku Tsuki and you'll kill them with... whatever Judo does.

I certainly do not expect everyone to know everything, nor did I post this with the intent of underscoring my own knowledge to buff my ego, just to let you know where it is coming from. After all, as you noted, how can we know these things if someone doesn't tell us? It's very unlikely an average person would know the difference! I hope you will accept my apology for the misunderstanding of tone without qualifier - I was not attacking you, nor our moderator friend. 

A part of my post that is getting skipped, and I think is important here to both my meaning and tone, is the mistranslation of ukemi. That's not a common word, and is mostly used in martial arts contexts, as it is actually a Japanese word. That is not my opinion; it does not mean "throw". Someone put in effort to write her profile and is using relevant vocabulary (which is great!), but misunderstands the meaning. I am trying to be helpful to correct that misunderstanding so others are not confused. That mistranslation is what led me to question whether she is supposed to be a judoka (corrected after I found the original character mentioned in my Harem), or something else where ukemi may have a different meaning in context (as it literally translates to "receiving body"). In Judo, ukemi means breaking your fall.
 

 

[DvDivXXX]

24 minutes ago, Eusebio said:

mistranslation of ukemi.

Yeah, that part sounds like an honest mistake that they might as well fix since they went through the trouble of finding actual terms lifted from actual martial arts to beef up her bio a bit, I certainly agree. To be honest, it was kind of in the background in your initial post, the big focus (or at least the way I perceived it) seemed to be "she's not a judoka" so I didn't pay as much attention to this more specific but I think more worthy point.

Even though, they could (and often do) borrow terms and all kinds of bits and pieces from the real word as well as any number of other imaginary worlds to feed their own patchwork multiverse fiction, without necessarily staying true (or even having a clue) what it meant in the original context. In the worst case, it can give us stuff like the Haremverse's understanding of "bondage" ^^ (basically as long as there are ropes in the picture, that works). In the best case, it can give us a simultaneously hilarious and awesome trippy story like "The Training Dimension", with its main character "Hiro" (the Hero, get it? ^^ wink wink) that was built, at its core, entirely from! "oh shit! all those radically different artists we hired for the now-canceled HCL? they've made the main character literally unrecognizable! and now we're supposed to integrate all those contradictory versions of existing characters and timelines that we made for HCL within HH itself?! oh shit oh shit... AHA! What if this was all a dream an alternate dimension all along? It would explain away the hero's completely different face and all the inconsistencies... Plus it'd be fun as hell." And, for the most part, it was.

I never googled "shokushu" for instance, it might mean something ominous as it does in the Haremverse, or it might be Japanese for a soft pillow case for all I know. ^^ To me, it's still the name of the ominous tentacle slash demon slash undead slash nazi dimension of the Haremverse.

35 minutes ago, lepidocter said:

Be marry. This forum is not toxic.

What if he doesn't want to be Mary? ^^ Sorry, couldn't help it.

Don't worry, be merry.

[Eusebio]

You're definitely right there, there is a lot of artistic license that can be had and has been had with some of the terms. We shouldn't always let the letter of the law get in the way of an entertaining story

There's one more part to the character that made me title the post as I did (and I definitely did not mean to be inflammatory to anyone's knowledge or lack thereof, but I now see how you could take it that way) and also why I included the screenshot and the Austin Powers reference: the kicking.

In two of her poses, it's clear she is readying and then throwing a kick; that's not something you would see in a grappling martial art like Judo. There are strikes per se, but they are formal, confined to kata forms to show how you might counter them with grapples. It was Kano (founder of Judo)'s intent to remove the kicking, punching, striking and other dangerous parts of the prevalent jujitsu of the time, leaving in the throws and grappling to make it more safe for free practice, or randori, that you could drill frequently.

In the interest of de-escalation and restoring merriness to the Haremverse: