Neoroid Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 after the update today some girls still have their old income like Arcana (~800) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hisoka246 Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 I was wondering, why lowering the income from girls and raising the items prices way up (and there affect, especially affection items)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hisoka246 Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 I was wondering, why lowering the income from girls and the sell price of items, and raising the items buy prices way up ? and the affection items (high price , low effect). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asherandai Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 5 hours ago, Hisoka246 said: I was wondering, why lowering the income from girls and the sell price of items, and raising the items buy prices way up ? and the affection items (high price , low effect). first income: income is now spread between your girls, battles, and daily missions. instead of being purely based on girls. its actually higher now then it was before. second sell price: this was in large part due to the extreme imbalance caused by pachinko. playing great pachinko x10 then selling the items would result in a profit, making it possible to infinitely generate cash in short amount of time, breaking the economy and the casino contests. finally affection items: this seems to be the most common misconception. yes the numbers were lowered, but they were also lowered on the girls by a much greater amount. overall each item actually has a greater effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demon__J Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Do you think Asherandai [is someone] who DOES believe it is better or just disingenuous and really really really WANTS to believe it is better? This new version is pointless and not fun to play. No matter what averages and theoretical numbers you want to calculate to try and tell people the changes are good for them, they are bad. Personally, I am currently stuck in the game and not enjoying my experince any longer. I have 4 of my 13 harem girls waiting to receive the final purchase of their affection upgrade, all more than 200K. I applied affection to two of them with the stock pile of items I already had before the balancing, and buying some from the market. I have 60 action points that I can not use for the missions, because I need to purchase a document to receive the reward from the princess. The document costs 250K. With the new daily missions, I level up at least once a day. After leveling up, I have to buy books from the market to make sure I can max all girls levels. That reduces any money I have been saving down to almost nothing. Everything costs MORE and has LESS effect. Almost all MMOs need to go through a re-balancing at some point in their life cycle to get the economy correct. Normally more than one. Any game designer (speaking from experience as a designer and player) doing this for their own game should use the past experiences of other games to avoid all the massive pitfalls. When re-balancing is necessary, there are two things that can change: INCREASE things: the cost, the amount of things to spend money on... DECREASE things: the income received, number of ways to receive it, effect of items purchased... What you really want to avoid, is changing everything completely all at the same time. This is also a basic scientific principle, if you change too many variables at one time, you have no idea what part worked and what part did not. Everything is just different and you have ruined many users experience with the massive changes. You want small incremental changes to try and balance out what you deem a problem. I'm not even sure what problem they were trying to fix because SO many things changed all at the same time. The game is now just a thing that I wait forever and then click a button to get some income, fight Gruntt, wait a long time. Repeat. I used to be jumping in every hour or two, collecting money, fighting trolls, and advancing the story line. I spent time and effort upgrading the affection of the Harem girls because, generally speaking for this kind of game, spending money on the things that will earn you money faster (or more) is the right choice to get your income ahead of the curve so you aren't constantly waiting on income before you can advance the store line. Now then ENTIRE game is about waiting on income to come in. And then waiting on energy if you get to a good spot and can move forward. And then waiting on fighting to attack if that is required to collect an item to move forward. It isn't Hentai Heroes, it's just Waiting Guy. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DREW77 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 On 8/26/2017 at 10:21 AM, demon__J said: Do you think Asherandai [is someone] who DOES believe it is better or just disingenuous and really really really WANTS to believe it is better? .... .... And then waiting on fighting to attack if that is required to collect an item to move forward. It isn't Hentai Heroes, it's just Waiting Guy. Oooh u got censored too! Welcome to the club. There are some prrtty rbaid defenders of the game/apologists of the game here. as for Waiting Guy... they are trying to turn im into Spending Guy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demon__J Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Yeah, my frustration got out a little there... Even with the change, my point is still there. Asherandai is all over these boards expending a lot of energy to tell people something they don't like anymore is better for them. The mathematical answer here isn't relevant, empirical evidence shows that the game is less enjoyable with the changes made. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrttao Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 (edited) On 8/30/2017 at 9:50 AM, demon__J said: Yeah, my frustration got out a little there... Even with the change, my point is still there. Asherandai is all over these boards expending a lot of energy to tell people something they don't like anymore is better for them. The mathematical answer here isn't relevant, empirical evidence shows that the game is less enjoyable with the changes made. The mathematical answer is relevant, he is just using the wrong math. If you math it out, girls literally take YEARS to pay for their own upgrades. Basically right now girls are useless as a currency source. you get money from daily missions and farming trolls (gotta be high level though to make decent amount there). Unless you have some girls from before the update Edited September 1, 2017 by mrttao 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewmann Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 They did change the affection items. Before the items you bought in store didn't have their lowest common item add 9 affection. Not to mention the affection scene costs way more especially when you have multiple girls. to makeup for them screwing us on our old equipment from epic packinko or reg. pachinko they gave us legendary armor to try and appease people. This new update can still be tweaked or fixed though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asherandai Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 5 hours ago, Bebop said: Doesn't seem so, you couldn't prove him wrong on the other thread, you are not doing a much better job in here either. -I probably got more than 250k today alone. First im not a paid guy, nor am I really trying hard. So whats your point again?? Btw that got cheaper. In latest quests it used to cost around 400k, the highest I've seen after update is the 250k you said. I'm sure you want to be rich with 3 and a half clicks. But alas. Each time Asherandai talks to you about mathematics you snap the discussion to your feelings? Since mathematics for feelings having been invented yet - I'll just stick to the numbers. You hate it - WE GOT IT! Can you prove that he is wrong or are you just going to twist your way around his argument with bullshit? @mrttao is doing a math argument. And he is correct. However - for the one year I played this game. I never did upgrade girls so they can "Pay for themselves". That hasn't changed now. - So whats your point again? Also many people say its easier to get girls now... I already got a few from bosses - that I never got girls out of before (outside event weeks) Some people on the discord even complained that when this stuff was being tested - girls were too easy to get and they asked the devs to lower that - LOL WTF!? Bottom line for me. I did not need to do anything in the game before the update. I had as much girls as I was going to get. They were all maxed. I had all the equipment I wanted. I didn't want to do pvp. The only stuff I had was waiting for new quests and girls, So i could easily login once a week. Now I can actually play in the economy. Just as an FYI, i don't think the game is better since the update. All i was trying to make clear is that the problems were exaggerated to extremes, and in different areas to where people were initially claiming. also i'm well aware i got some stuff wrong which resulted in innaccurate math, i did find it funny how no one has commented on the girls income actually being increased despite what everyone (including me) initially thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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