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Respect to another f2p Likewise I'm sitting on around 40k gems, but I've got around 4.5mil unusued GXP. I'm in no rush and just upgrading the girls I need each week. When I can see the chance to pass the 700 Awakening, I'll save it to unload on a CC. I'm not too far away now. No question that it is. My point was simply that it doesn't fix the GXP bottleneck to make gems an even tighter bottleneck. There's always going to have to be a balancing act in which you prioritise. For me, I wouldn't drop the Mythics for a couple of reasons: i) the more Mythics are released, the more they will come to dominate the top 7. Each Mythic released detrimentally impacts the L5s chances of getting into the top 7 more than it does the other Mythics. ii) End game - lots of players level 500/750 - the two potential differentials are skill and available girls. Given that each Mythic comes up very infrequently and they are the strongest girls, I'd rather deal with the extra expense these girls incur than have more gaps when I hit that end game in about a year (this is a guess - unlike others I haven't charted it).

I've picked-up Abrael. Stats: Total Kost (including 5xSP): 1310 Nutaku Kobans (7860 HH). A little more than last month, but I had a few less free Combativity this time round. 786 Combativity used, 326 free (actual cost 32 Kobans for 4x50 play right at the start). Drop rate was (for the fifith month in a row) below the average (7%), though better than the previous four at 6.62%. Along the way I picked up 48 MPs (drop 6.11%), 32 tickets (drop 4.07%) and 1560 gems (drop 9.92%). Lower drop rates for everything this month. This month's Mythic significantly more popular. I took a screenshot with 3.5 hours to go: Looking at the figures at a similar point for the last few months: - Druiada Titania was at 95k shards remaining - Sugarmama Lupa's Mum was at 75k - Lovebot Norou was at 46k - Angelic Lenaelle was at 63k So we're back at Angelic Lenaelle figures. Thoughts on why - i) A colour we haven't seen in a long time, with only one other Mythic and lots of people with lots of gems ii) a double attribute iii) last month was the third green - a weaker colour and one with lots of 5/6*s (explaining the higher remaining shard level last month rather than the improved popularity of this month). People were possibly tight for gems. -------------------------------- Predictions for June's Mythic (starting with most likely imo): - Eccentric (red) - There are only currently 2 Eccentric Mythics, so this would bring Eccentric in line with Exhibitionist (green) and Sensual (blue) at 3. It is the Dominance that has gone longest without (11 months) making it well overdue. I would have said KK may have been reluctant to release a new Eccentric they same month they revive one (Radka), but this month suggests otherwise with two Voyeurs (purple). So Eccentric seems very likely if not in June then soon after. - Dominant (black)/Physical (orange)/Submissive (White) - Unlike Eccentric, all of these Dominances have had a Mythic less than 8 months ago (7/6/5), meaning that they're not overdue, but they also all only have 2 Mythics so another only brings them in line with Exhibitionist and Sensual. - Playful (yellow)/Voyeur (purple) - Only been two months since we had the last Playful and a Voyeur this month, but again there are only 2, so another still maintains equilibrium. It's unlikely to be next month imo. - Sensual (blue)/Exhibitionist (green) - We had an Exhibitionist last month and Sensual four months ago. These are also the only Dominances with 3 Mythics so far. It seems very unlikely that they're going to turn up next month. If I was to put my best guess out it would currently be: - June - Eccentric (red) - July - Dominant (black) - August - Physical (orange) - September - Submissive (white) - October - Playful (yellow) - November - Voyeur (purple) I'll be using the above to steer my strategy decisions over the next couple of weeks and thought others might find it useful.

Why would you ignore gems? Otherwise we agree on this point. There's the misunderstanding - you are talking about buying shop refreshes instead of picking-up a Mythic. I took you to be emphasising the cost of a Mythic by highlighting the extra shop refreshes you would have to do. I would point out though that, as far I can recall, a shop refresh only refreshes one section, not the whole shop. So you don't get new aff items when you refresh GXP. It has been a while since I did a shop refresh though, so I may be misremembering. Returning to the start of this post though - why would you ignore gems? To upgrade those 6 Legendaries you're going to need 45120 gems. Short of buying a LOT real money bundles you would quickly find this strategy strangulated by the gem costs. I'd need to rake back through some of the posts but I believe @Liliat concluded you get ~125/colour/day. 30k/month. So you could upgrade ~4 of those Legendaries and nothing else over a month (this would be averaged over a number of months to account for skewed gem distributions). Going for the Mythic, I can upgrade the Mythic and a load of other girls (just counting gems) and the GXP you naturally receive over a month may be tight (~2mil from 3xshop regens + CC, not counting PoP, PoV, Daily Reward, Pachinko etc etc), but you could still upgrade a fair selection of other girls too. It's pick your poison I guess, but the Legendary strategy would seem to run head first into a far tighter bottle neck than picking up the Mythic. You have far more levers to control your GXP balance than your gem balances without spending real $$$.

It's not the Mythic that causes that Koban cost. You're deciding to rush to get them upgraded. If you're racing for 750 fair play, but it's not the Mythic that's forcing the shop refreshes in that case. It's the strategy that you're pursuing. Otherwise there's plenty of opportunities to get GXP and Aff over the month. I prioritise bringing the new Mythic to my Awakening level each month. The higher I get, the tougher that is, but given that we've recently been gifted CC where you can easily pick-up 240k-360k GXP/week, the majority of a Mythic can be collected there even if you are at level 750. And PoV offers loads more, especially if you but the bonus path. Having the Mythics available to catch Blessings makes a huge difference to me imo. Remember that not every entry in the 'top 7' is equal. So while the worst Mythic has a 23.97% chance of being in the top 7 and the best L5 has a 11.83%, the Mythic would be (I surmise) more likely to appear higher within the 7 than the Legendary. Your maths is also out in terms of shop refreshes. A Mythic (at level 700) costs less than 2.5x a L5 in terms of GXP. Not 6x. Aff is closer to 5x, but Aff's not that hard to come by between Pachinko and shop regens. And this doesn't cover the gem costs in pursuing L5s instead of Mythics (7520 vs 8025 at 750). So even if you only try to upgrade 2 L5s instead of one Mythic, you are going to have to find a LOT of extra gems. You effectively just make gems a bottleneck rather than GXP.

An interesting conversation. If Royal Housemaid is the weakest Mythic, despite being of one of the strongest colours, because she misses one potential Blessing, we're asserting that the Blessing potential is more important that the colour. If that was the case Succubus Abrael is of a weak colour but has an extra Blessing, so would be stronger than average. Just musing here, no serious comment, but I'd tend to view both is about average for Mythics assuming that the strength of each is simply cancelled out by their weakness. Then next month is likely to be important to you. Radka will get her MR at the end of the month and right now my money would be on another Eccentric Mythic for the MD next month. I'm in the same position as you and so will pick-up both. With nearly 8k red gems saved, I'm almost at the point where I can upgrade them both as well

I don't think there's a definitive answer to this as it depends on a lot of factors, not least the composition of your harem. Blessings will tell you what girl is likely to turn up in the top 7 most often. The Domination hierarchy produced by @Slynia (here) will tell you which elements are best. The elements come into play when selecting both counter teams and where there are multiple girls that are 'equal' in terms of @zoopokemon's spreadsheet. So you'd choose a Dominant over a Physical if everything else is equal. So effectively the elements are a day to day and week to week thing - small tweaks to improve every fight - while the Blessings are big optimisations available periodically. The elements selected are dependent on the opponent, the Blessings and the girls you have available.

Personally, I think the 7 target is a misconception - how often do you actually use a full team of 7 Mythics? (Outside of the rare 'Mythic weeks') In terms of that type of value I feel the biggest drop off for Mythics likely comes earlier at 3-4 Mythics, as that's around as many as you're likely to need to fill spaces due to lacking the right blessed L5*s. After that you're picking them up to try and ensure you have the Mythics that hit a blessing and to improve your counter teams. I'd disagree with @DvDivXXX to some degree - but we've had this conversation before I'd shuffle the priorities around a little. MD would be the priority excluding all but PoV. PoA bonus path costs you nearly as much as a MD and to my mind delivers less value than PoV or MD. LC, at lower to mid level, should never cost you Kobans if you plan carefully. PoV costs you half of PoA and provides a lot of extra PXP, which if you plan carefully, you can then also use to help you pick-up the LC girl on the first day, meaning that you can save your Pachinko and ticket resources for the juicy CC where you can pick-up a lot of extra GXP and gems. So my approach is to pick-up one PoV/month and the MD event, with the LC coming as a byproduct of those choices. If you can't afford at least one PoV and the MD event the decision is harder. I'd likely stick with one PoV and save up so I could pick-up the MD event every 3rd or 2nd month depending on affordability. And I'd 100% agree about cherry picking your Mythics to the stronger Dominances. The race to 750 is still ongoing, but we're closing in on the final stretch. If you're not in a position to get there early (I'm not) my feeling is that the slower steady approach is the better. It's a balancing decision. Taking longer to get to 750 means longer when you can't really compete at the highest level for longer. Getting to 750 faster will allow you to compete on some weeks but means that any week where you're missing the Blessed Mythics you're going to be 2nd tier. And those Mythics can take a loooong time to come around again.

Some benefits in the short term - more girls + quicker Awakenings. Likely less in the long term. The Mythics are quickly coming to dominate the top 7 and they come around so infrequently. To compete at the top end ultimately (when your player/girl level starts reaching the top end), you will need these girls.

That's a fantastic result! Congrats! But don't be suckered in by the good result I picked-up Undercover Valentina for 456 Kobans + 5SP. The last four Mythics in a row have been sub 7% drop rates.

You appear to be counting Royal Housemaid on this one. She doesn't have pink hair. Her hair is 'Unknown'. KK stiffed us after the fact, replacing her hair colour with one that can never come up!

There's also another Voyeur Mythic later in the month - Nike - though she doesn't have a double attribute. Personally I'll pick-up both, even though Voyeur isn't the strongest, simply because I've been preparing to grab Nike, Radka and High Mage Arcana for months now and have the resources to deal with a couple of purple Mythics.

Nutaku - High value alert - https://harem-battle.club/wiki/Harem-Heroes/HH:Layla

I entered D3 at level 363. My first week I finished at 54th. My strategy was poor and needed significant improvement. Every week after that I finished top 45. It took me 12 weeks before I broke level 400 during which period I finished top 30 5 times and top 45 6 times. I then broke level 400 and took my first top 15. Since then I've had 5 weeks at top 30 and a top 15 last week. I'll only manage top 30 this week. To be clear, this is only my 20th week in D3. I'm not saying that it isn't tough under 400. It absolutely is. But that's natural - level gives advantage. What I am saying is that 500 players aren't all fantastic players. Quite the contrary. The majority of them I think are strategy weak. I'd also say that I'm not suggesting that @430i is in a position to 'outrank' 500s. In the last eleven weeks there have been 9 where a 500 took #1! Where a 500 plays well they should easily hold the best positions (15+). (Which is why watching which players in top 15 and aren't level 500 or really close is a good way to start getting a feel for who is a good player ) What I am saying is that right now it is not impossible to place in the upper half of D3 even sub 400.

There's obviously no denying that level makes a difference and that 500s are more likely to place well. In fact, that's somewhat the point I was making about level 500s choking up the top leagues. But I'm afraid this idea that a lower level player just can't compete against the majority of 500s isn't accurate, though I understand why you may feel demoralised seeing so many 500s. Results from this week so far - where I've been targeting 500s (not strictly true, but true enough) 32 wins for 48 challenges. Two in every three. Given that these players have nearly 80 levels on me, I don't feel that saying the "majority of them" are that significant a challenge would be accurate. Given that we're not even two days into the league, I've caught 16 of the 22 500s unboosted. Maybe one or two of them are good players who I was lucky to catch unboosted, but I haven't caught 16 in that manner. And this week is not the exception. In fact last week was far better for me - I've already had 25% more losses than I had last week. I'd also point out that many of these player's team selections has been less than great. They either don't have the girls or fundamentally do not understand the battle mechanics. Yes level gives these players a very significant advantage, but no, it's not stopping a level 420 player winning over them.

You've taken the comment in question out of context. There are plenty of terrible level 500 players. Otherwise I wouldn't be surviving in D3. My point was not that 'you can always overcome the level gap regardless of who you are playing'. My point was that by playing smart a level 400 player can still pick-off wins against poor level 500 players. And while more players are hitting level 500 faster, that doesn't make those players any 'better' strategically. Last week started with 21 level 500s in my bracket. Only 7 of them finished in the top 15. From my screenshot I finished above 1 of those. That means that I - at level 421 - beat 15 level 500s last week. Again from the screenshot, there are another 2 that only just beat me (by less than 100 points). The conclusion would be that the majority of the players that have reached level 500 aren't playing particularly effective strategies and in these cases the level gap is not insurmountable.

The last 3 weeks I've had 21, 21 and now 22 lvl500s. 12 months from now D3 is going to be almost exclusively 500s!! They're certainly dominating the top 15 now with only 7 player's lower than 500 last week and only 5 the week before! There are at least two players in my bracket that will reach 500 this week and another four that should hit 500 by the end of May. And the interesting thing is that D3 may end up being the least impacted in the long run. Being 500 doesn't make a player good. Just a bit harder to beat. A smart 400 can still get some decent scores against a weak 500. Level isn't insurmountable. Talking from my own experience though, it's been competing against the better players that's forced me to improve my strategy. That didn't really happen until D3. I was still performing way above my level average in D2 and below, but level made a lot more of a difference (I wasn't nearly so focused on catching players unboosted). When D2 starts choking up with mediocre 500s (more and more of whom will have high girl levels too) potentially good players are either going to have to learn earlier how to play better, or they're going to find the level gap very difficult to overcome. This in itself creates a new barrier for new players. In my experience, accessing the higher leagues and the larger Koban rewards they offer was a substantive part of any success I've had. If it becomes tougher for newer (potentially) good player to access the higher divisions, they won't be able to access those Koban rewards. Without those Mythic girls are likely out of reach full stop. And no Mythic girls would make it very tough to compete. A bit of a feedback loop.

My best result to date - highest position, highest average and 2nd top 15 result: I was also the lowest level player in the top 30 and I spent 7 Koban that I clearly didn't need to spend to finish off the last few fights. Felt it was better to grab those last 4 than (the unlikely) risk of having a few players overtake me right at the end. As it turns out I finished a LONG way above 16!

I'm in the same position. I've got the Kobans stashed to pick up 3 of the next 4 revivals (Nike, Radka, I already have Golden Lupa, and High Mage Arcana). After that I'll have all but the first 5 Mythics and it is about waiting and hoping that they re-revive some of the girls that have already been revived. It's frustrating not knowing if those girls will actually come back, but it seems logical to me that at some point we get a LD type format with 2 Mythics revived with each MR (allowing them to catch-up), though it wouldn't surprise me if they started to break release order at that point. So after High MA starts the long process of starting to stash enough to be prepared when they spring that on us!

I'm at level 650 and I'm still finding gems more of a bottleneck than GXP. Different strategies I guess. Floor 1300 on the Pantheon - I'm seeing the reel showing frames or the previous 15xMP. So it looks like the frames are being added in as a possible alternative prize rather than an additional one.......

High value alert - 5*L Fanny & Fione available on Nutaku for the next 2 days.

Agreed, but with 10/800 (or 1/80) chance of receiving one of the latest L5s highlighted above and 3 chances every 2 days, I would have expected one of these latest 10 to have turned up after nearly a year of watching. A single girl and you can be waiting a very long time (Travel Gwenaelle sigh), but when there are a group like this the odds on receiving one of them at some point (simply to prove they are in there) aren't actually all that low.

While I don't post every rotation, I do check every rotation and post when a 5* is available. None of the girls you mention have appeared so far on Nutaku. In fact, to date, I haven't spotted any L5 girl newer than Sai. As you said, it could just be RNG or it could be that a significant proportion of the newer L5 girls aren't actually in the rotation at this point.

The water's very muddy on this as yesterday was a villian DC on HH and shards are now disappearing far faster on Nutaku, but there's a villian DC today on Nutaku. The DCs potentially influence both servers this time round.