I'm about done with the game.

[botc76]

Back in December, I told myself I would give the game a chance until early this year and would at least try to get to lvl 500 and then re-assess the situation.

I am now lvl 499 and about two months have gone by. So I did re-assess the game and the judgement wasn't good.

Yes, kinkoid did up the rewards again and added more daily rewards, so that you could at least get the items needed to lvl and awaken the girls, if not the gems, but they also introduced even more time-consuming features, the events have become even more tedious, with several of them running concurrently, almost all the time AND with up to five special missions a day to get the rewards, you basically need to plan your day around checking in on the game to start a new mission.

It's just no fun, and I tried to have fun. I've played this game so many years now, that it has become part of my daily routine, so usually I would be sad, but kinkoid made it so that I will probably just feel relieved not to force myself to do those chores all the time.

I will probably let the account live, because I want to be able to play the story, but for that I don't need to be competitive, and I need only the time to read and look at the art.

I never spent much on the game, but I did buy a few really cheap packs, I had a silver monthly card for years and I bought I think 3 season passes. So you did earn some money through me, kinkoid, apart from being a player who spend so much time on the game that it stayed alive for your whales.

Consider this my final feedback. You done effed it up, and you were completely unwilling to listen to your players, up until the point where many who really liked the game gave up, and that number includes me now.

Back before last year's and this year's changes, reaching lvl 500 would have been a huge thing for me, you managed to make it a point of relief, where I can finally let go of what has by now become stressful, not joyful, annoying not fun and a chore and not a good time to have.
You guys really screwed this game up and your players over.

Edited February 22, 2022 by botc76

[Redbeard]

The evolution of this game has been one of the designers not really having a plan.  Well.. Squeezing money out of people I guess is a plan! but, as far as the game is concerned.  When, I started the game was pretty laid back.  The PvP the tower was a part of the game that you could skip if wanted.  PvP is now THE game.  A loud minority likes this and the ultra competitive daily contests, the overlapping events.  Most of the people I see don't like this.  There are times I want games like that.  This game is not one of them.  

They also, don't understand their own game.  The events they created.  Path of Attraction, Legendary contests required people to hoard resources.  Kinkoid was then like OH NO! people that hoard resources are ruining the game.  Let us slash resources and flood the game with new things and events.  This has had two negative effects.  The older players still have all the resources they need and, the newer players have a really, really tough time getting what the need.  Unless of course you pay.  The thing about making the game as a whole only available to whales.  Is that eventually the Whales get tired of just facing other whales and, either stop whaling or quit the game.

The changes the made to "help the little guy" Have actually hurt the little guy. It is also making it difficult to play for those of us almost at the top.  I can no longer play all the events I want without paying.  

Right now it is a game with an ever increasing amount of things to do.  However, they are all separate systems and require an increasing amount of resources and time.  They have not however given players any more access to resources. "especially Kobans" The daily goals are a step towards giving more resources but, kind of drop on the ocean.  A good solution to this would be upping the daily Koban reward for finishing quests.  Simple easy and gives those playing the game incentive.  

Instead of giving us Boss Bang and 10  new systems this next year.  Why not just make the 3 start commons 5.  Finish that?  Finish Clubs?  Fix the tower once and for all.  Make a champions bracket in the Tower.  Do something like double the rewards for a final bracket where only those who have won Dictator 3 can go.  Build on the pieces you have instead of giving us new things in a game that already has too many different systems and, is becoming increasingly not fun to play.

Anyway end of rant....

[lepidocter]

There's something so... wrong in some people perception of online activities.

Every F2P roaming the game is a fixed cost for KK. Whales doesn't care how much of F2P players are there, they're already a limited elite of 100 players in a world of 10k F2P.

KK had to balance between those paying and those that represent a cost. You do *nothing* good to KK every second in the game you don't pay for.

Why the game is almost F2P? The more time you spend in any activity, the higher the chance the purchase compulsion trigger on you. If not today, not yet tomorrow, then in a month.

There's nothing like "thank you to roam my servers". Those are social networks!

As for your goodbye, to me is just you get annoyed naturally from the same activity. Even if the game was more aligned to your tastes, you're simply annoyed. And you're telling KK that they must do something about to ignite some excitement back. I don't think is their responsibility for that, I feel the game fun enough.

Maybe one day, near level 500, I'll say the same. It's natural that closer to a long awaited result, your mind doesn't want for the thing to reach a conclusion and you'll stop just before. You want for some surprise more. But is more a thing of your own than the ecosystem entirely.

NB: I do believe the game designer was changed into a kid trying his luck with many mechanics, and formally most of them are simply wrong; but you do miss the logic behind, what KK asked for the kid to create. To avoid that you can "win the game" by doing nothing. Once the word spread that you can "complete the whole game" by doing nothing but login and idle gameplay guess who will pay any dime...

 

[botc76]

27 minutes ago, lepidocter said:

There's something so... wrong in some people perception of online activities.

Every F2P roaming the game is a fixed cost for KK. Whales doesn't care how much of F2P players are there, they're already a limited elite of 100 players in a world of 10k F2P.

KK had to balance between those paying and those that represent a cost. You do *nothing* good to KK every second in the game you don't pay for.

Why the game is almost F2P? The more time you spend in any activity, the higher the chance the purchase compulsion trigger on you. If not today, not yet tomorrow, then in a month.

There's nothing like "thank you to roam my servers". Those are social networks!

As for your goodbye, to me is just you get annoyed naturally from the same activity. Even if the game was more aligned to your tastes, you're simply annoyed. And you're telling KK that they must do something about to ignite some excitement back. I don't think is their responsibility for that, I feel the game fun enough.

Maybe one day, near level 500, I'll say the same. It's natural that closer to a long awaited result, your mind doesn't want for the thing to reach a conclusion and you'll stop just before. You want for some surprise more. But is more a thing of your own than the ecosystem entirely.

NB: I do believe the game designer was changed into a kid trying his luck with many mechanics, and formally most of them are simply wrong; but you do miss the logic behind, what KK asked for the kid to create. To avoid that you can "win the game" by doing nothing. Once the word spread that you can "complete the whole game" by doing nothing but login and idle gameplay guess who will pay any dime...

 

Dude, you really have a very slanted and wrong perspective on how free to play games work.
Without regular players who spent no or only a relatively small amount on the game, there would be no game.
Without those players, the whales only have each other to compete with, and that is boring even for them.
You think those players don't do anything for Kinkoid? Well, you couldn't be more wrong.

What you are trying to do is lecture someone who has been playing this game since late 2017 on what this game is and how it should be played.
And you don't get to do that, your opinion isn't in any way relevant to me and my experience, and you presume way too much.
This is a frigging browser game, it is not supposed to take up a lot of your time, for that there are real games, where the depth of your wallet doesn't decide how good you are.
Honestly, your reply is so incredibly full of cringe, it's almost funny, almost.
Of course, it's Kinkoid's responsibility to keep the game fun and entertaining, that is literally the most important responsibility for them. Without that, no one would want to play the game and coming back to my first paragraph, then there would be no game.
And if you paid any mind to what I and other long-time players have written in these forums over the last few months, it is not a slow development over the years that has led to frustration, it's the changes implemented in the last few months, which did it. So what is your whole argumentation even worth considering this? I tell you what, nothing, nothing at all.

[lepidocter]

12 minuti fa, botc76 ha scritto:

Dude, you really have a very slanted and wrong perspective on how free to play games work.
Without regular players who spent no or only a relatively small amount on the game, there would be no game.
Without those players, the whales only have each other to compete with, and that is boring even for them.
You think those players don't do anything for Kinkoid? Well, you couldn't be more wrong.

What you are trying to do is lecture someone who has been playing this game since late 2017 on what this game is and how it should be played.
And you don't get to do that, your opinion isn't in any way relevant to me and my experience, and you presume way too much.
This is a frigging browser game, it is not supposed to take up a lot of your time, for that there are real games, where the depth of your wallet doesn't decide how good you are.

Honestly, your reply is so incredibly full of cringe, it's almost funny, almost.
Of course, it's Kinkoid's responsibility to keep the game fun and entertaining, that is literally the most important responsibility for them. Without that, no one would want to play the game and coming back to my first paragraph, then there would be no game.
And if you paid any mind to what I and other long-time players have written in these forums over the last few months, it is not a slow development over the years that has led to frustration, it's the changes implemented in the last few months, which did it.

So what is your whole argumentation even worth considering this? I tell you what, nothing, nothing at all.

Oh, you got it so personal.  Had a bad day? Sorry for that.

Whales are the most regular players. You wasn't first instance ("back on December"). newbies come and go every day.

*IDEALLY* speaking, a game where just whales compete each others is a company fortune. And every developer want for anyone to turn whale. In the meanwhile, they keep you in the activity for the time they consider enough, mostly kicking you out by game mechanics. As long you don't have subsidiary forms of income, and ingame purchase is *the only* income source, the 'F2P' base is in the 'expenses' column of the semester report. We're also talking of an XXX game, you probably don't share the news with friends, so the Tribe effect isn't a thing.  There isn't a third party distributor (except Nutaku, but this is a different model of share). Being an adult game most of your upscaling opportunities are cutted out. You must do what's called "active lead generation". It's a cost.

Despite what you think, and mostly suppose, this game collect no advantage into having a large F2P base that doesn't convert from prospectors to leads. It does have an advantage in a *fast rotation* of new F2P.

You played since late 2017. Now figure out to be KK manager, and check financial figures. "Hey, there are people that stay in the game since 2017 and spent... 100 euro? How cut such people out and lure in actual customers?". And that hopefully explain to you the changes. A lot of people reached a point they haven't any reason to spend anymore. And you are, whatever you think, a cost for the company.

Usually, companies does a logarithmic implicit math to cut out prospectors not turning leads. You've experienced for sure in the "web games" you quoted. If you don't spend, go away as progress is impossible. Why so, if having *infinite* F2p should make for an *infinite* advantage? It's the funnel ("implicit discrimination"). As long the only income come from direct sell and upsell, you don't want free roaming. You *must* do a degree of it, but ideally the conversion rate is 100% (is instead aorund 15% for most of the markets on first tier, 5% second tier, and it will be fun to know the rate of conversion for HH). Quick in, quick out, is the rotation of leads that matter, not if you keep them the whole time in lurking your resources.

I can argument, debate and lecture whatever or whoever, I'm not your granny (as long obviously I don't offend anyone, sorry if that happened!). And you can kick my ass at will.

This game is... NO. I've readed it too much times from older players and is bullsh*t totally.  It was already a different game the moment I subscribed. This game is not what you want for it to be, you don't own it. Is the game they are doing to make cash and get a living. Is not your game as you don't have any responsibility on investements and returns. You just use it. If by adding extra elements more people in the longtail pay (again, not 100 euro in 5 years...) that's the direction of the game. WTF does mean "real games" anyway?

The fact that you're debating how to progress in a game doesn't make  you better at reasoning on stuff, that's evident to a kid. You're just... I dunno what, good at clicking? So that's not pertinent.

At last, the company doesn't have *ANY* responsibilty for *YOUR PERSONAL* lack of satisfaction, as long it's satisfying *ME*, that apparently I've spent more cash in one year than you in five.  I hope that reading this twice and more incisively will make the concept a bit clearer. I'll try to reword again: as long you don't spend, they will do nothing to satisfy you, why they should do it? They're not your parents. "If they'll do that I will be more prone to spend" will be instead a very efficient lever.

The fact that you don't like the game anymore, paired to the fact that I like it and we spent different amount of cash, and I don't compete with whales and I don't care of whatever, probably will hint you why the game changed. And *is not changed abruptly* as you said, that simply wrong. Since BDSM the change was obvious.

Apparently, you considered my opinon a lot instead, to the point of replying and get nervous. Gotcha. 

Anyway,if reaching level 500 in a "casual idle game" "mattered a lot" and you have to debate about tiers with someone that will surpass you in one year alone, practically ignoring everything you wrote in this forum... I can understand such frustration. Yeah, is so sad.

I'll have fun for you too the whole time, okay?

[jelom]

I will say your reasoning in reverse: If there are a big number of F2P players and KK try to satisfy them, eventually, a share of them will be happy to spend some money in the game, but they have to stay a long time in the game to feel the game as theirs. The bigger the number of F2P players, the bigger the number of little or big spenders they will become giving enough time, and thousand players spending just 5 euros each are worth more than ten whales spending 100 euros each.

It is like the shops in a busy street, the more people passing in front of the door, the more customers they will have even if just out of curiosity. If your shop is in a deserted back alley, only a few customers will enter it.

[Discgear]

15 hours ago, lepidocter said:

Oh, you got it so personal.  Had a bad day? Sorry for that.

Kind of ironic when you wrote the next Shakespeare novel in response.

 

@botc76 Really agree with you here. But you need to cut off the game completely otherwise this thread seems pretty moot. Kinkoid will see there is nothing wrong here since they still have your attention and to them, that's all they need.

[botc76]

@lepidocter Dude, I admit it's hard to take someone of your caliber seriously, and I just don't have the interest to read through all that drivel and warrant it with a response.
I made this post to let Kinkoid know what drove me to step away from the game, not to help you bolster up your ego, by validating your inane opinions with a measured response.
I don't plan on hanging around here much longer anyway, so I think I'll just ignore you from now on. Have fun being an unwitting tool for the company. 😉

[FinderKeeper]

On 2/22/2022 at 7:56 PM, lepidocter said:

I can argument, debate and lecture whatever or whoever, I'm not your granny (as long obviously I don't offend anyone, sorry if that happened!). 

@lepidocterYou did get into personal territory and with problematic tone at that. @botc76 feedback post is not about you.

Attack topics, ideas and other sources of wrongness all you like, but don't target players themselves with your wording.

[CR0]

On 2/22/2022 at 1:25 PM, botc76 said:

I am now lvl 499 and about two months have gone by. So I did re-assess the game and the judgement wasn't good.
Yes, kinkoid did up the rewards again and added more daily rewards, so that you could at least get the items needed to lvl and awaken the girls, if not the gems, but they also introduced even more time-consuming features, the events have become even more tedious, with several of them running concurrently, almost all the time AND with up to five special missions a day to get the rewards, you basically need to plan your day around checking in on the game to start a new mission.
It's just no fun, and I tried to have fun. I've played this game so many years now, that it has become part of my daily routine, so usually I would be sad, but kinkoid made it so that I will probably just feel relieved not to force myself to do those chores all the time.
 

Hi Guys, 

First sorry for my English, I still didn't manage to improve my skills  
I just want to reply because I also started this game in 2017 like @botc76and I want to share my experiences.

This is my favourite browser type porn game. I tried a lot of games on nutaku but most of them are so boring and the girls are so ugly compare to HH.
You mentioned they introduced more time-consuming features and yeah it's true. But these are optional. You can choose what girl you wanna have in your harem.
As I see, back in 2017 I remember we got 1 or 2 girls per week if we were lucky enough. My first 100 girls in my harem was harder to achive than the last 500. 

So all in all, I can't complain. In my opinion they are rewarding our time better nowadays. 
And for very little money you can get more content. 
It all depends on what you want to reach in this game. Nobody forcing to play the Leagues, Path of Attraction, Boss Bang, whatever...

Personally I started to play in the Leagues when they introduced the shard reward few month ago. Probably that's why my lvl is so low (375)  but who cares? 

I'm playing for the girls, for the story, for the kemonomimis & anthros  . And everyone can see their drawing skills are very impressive. 
Don't forget when you request art from an artist, for this quality you have to pay 100$ for one single pic. 

They technically implemented the hentaiclicker in here with the Pantheon and the Boss Bang,
but if the girl doesn't worth to click 1 thousand times for me I will simply ignore it.