Kuradur Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) Well that's kind of depressing... After getting Cave Laverne, AKA Laverne McFly... (I'm still trying to figure out if she's a Doctor Who "Leela" parody from the Tom Baker days or a Back to the Future lampoon of Marty's Mom) and leveling her up to as high as she can go, (3 Stars) I discover that her stats are, for a lack of a better word; Meh. It took more than a little bit of in-game cash to power her up, her stats are pretty lackluster for a "Rare" girl, and her income level, well it SUCKS, (You'd THINK a harder to get girl would have higher everything...) but then again, the other "Rare" girls I have in the Harem aren't much better, and frankly some of the common 5-Star upgradable girls are more potent in the arena and have a higher revenue generating capability so I guess the only good thing about them being "Rare" is the bragging rights. ("Look what I got..." which is nice, but doesn't help in the arena) Now I'm a little bit concerned about saving up the cash (3.5 million not counting books and gifts) to power up Plavala or Vashalanor, (Also 3 Stars) who are listed as EPIC. Hope it doesn't end up being an "epic" (sarcasm intended) waste of time and cash... I'll let everyone know. Have fun y'all! Edited July 10, 2018 by Kuradur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_shal_ Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) No offense intended, but you know that it's trivial to calculate what skill values each girl will have after upgrading her stars, right? 3 stars = 1.9x the 0-star base value. Multiply by her XP level and you're done. And the base values are easily looked up on the wiki (as are the later star values, of course). Nobody has to upgrade any girl just to see what she'll be worth in stats. Edited July 10, 2018 by _shal_ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM007 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Rule of thumb: If she does not have 5 stars it is NOT worth leveling her up if your goal is to earn more money, or be more powerful in arena. Work on your 5 stars, then when you run out of those to max out work on the 3 stars until you get your next 5 star, rinse repeat until you have caught and leveled them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CopyBoop Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) But @Kuradur most 3 star girls either give 1270 or 1271 money an hour. Edited July 11, 2018 by CopyBoop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thefool Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 You can access stat information here: https://harem-battle.club/wiki/Harem-Heroes/HH:Harem A 3 star rare girl could never be as good as a 5 star common. An epic 3 star would be about on par in attacking stats with a 5 star common but would have lower defensive stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuradur Posted July 11, 2018 Author Share Posted July 11, 2018 Agreed on all responses. I do however elevate all the girls in the harem (even the ones I don't use) to elevate the Harem Level and maximize income. I guess my main point is that with the added expense and time involved in elevating a "Rare," "Epic" or "Legendary" character there should be some rewards to go along with it and from my observation, there isn't very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chthugha Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 22 minutes ago, Kuradur said: Agreed on all responses. I do however elevate all the girls in the harem (even the ones I don't use) to elevate the Harem Level and maximize income. I guess my main point is that with the added expense and time involved in elevating a "Rare," "Epic" or "Legendary" character there should be some rewards to go along with it and from my observation, there isn't very much. the scenes and poses are the rewards though, the income is an extra. now whether or not the poses and scenes are worth the money is entirely subjective. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuradur Posted July 12, 2018 Author Share Posted July 12, 2018 (edited) 21 hours ago, Chthugha said: the scenes and poses are the rewards though, the income is an extra. now whether or not the poses and scenes are worth the money is entirely subjective. Once again; thanks for the input and I am in complete agreement. Bragging rights aside, I do wish however that with the increase in rarity there was a corresponding increase in the income generating capability to offset the investment a little better, but then again, rarity is rarity. And while we're on that line, just as an example Norou is a Legendary (AKA Hard-As-Hell-To-Get character to get who consequently costs a King's ransom to upgrade) but her income generation capability pales alongside Bunny, a player's first character, even when she's maxed out. (At least according to Wiki) Maybe her battle (sorry PERFORM! LOL) stats being off the chain make up for it, I'll let someone lucky enough to have her be the judge of that; I'll just bide my time and hope she swings through again and I get lucky. I do have to admit that the "limited edition" kind of vibe between the Common/Rare/Epic/Legendary characters has its merits and is pretty cool; the award for ultimate bragging right for hard to get characters has to be "Knightsnipe" with Elfy in his harem. That's kind of like finding a never started 1961 Ferrari 250 Testa Rossa Spyder Fantuzzi in a hermetically sealed vacuum chamber made of bullet-proof glass with a hand written note from Enzo Ferrari saying, "Godetevi il mio amico!" stuck to the windshield. Which brings us to the next odd question... Anyone think that there might be a possibility for more, "Limited Edition" characters in the works? I dunno, maybe limited to 100 or 1000 issued worldwide then gone for good? And to venture more into the sublime, wouldn't it be interesting if the capability of trading characters were introduced... Hmmmmm. (Only reason I even had such a thought was seeing, "Gotta Catch 'Em all") But before this turns into a book... Take care y'all. Edited July 12, 2018 by Kuradur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hahero Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 (edited) Those true limited edition already exist. They are "founder" or Patreon members, join that club if you wish to have those. But I do hope there isn't too many of those because Patreon club is not something I ever consider joining. Edited July 14, 2018 by hahero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorba the Geek Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) On 11/07/2018 at 5:56 AM, Kuradur said: Well that's kind of depressing... After getting Cave Laverne, AKA Laverne McFly... (I'm still trying to figure out if she's a Doctor Who "Leela" parody from the Tom Baker days or a Back to the Future lampoon of Marty's Mom) and leveling her up to as high as she can go, (3 Stars) I discover that her stats are, for a lack of a better word; Meh. It took more than a little bit of in-game cash to power her up, her stats are pretty lackluster for a "Rare" girl, and her income level, well it SUCKS, (You'd THINK a harder to get girl would have higher everything...) but then again, the other "Rare" girls I have in the Harem aren't much better, and frankly some of the common 5-Star upgradable girls are more potent in the arena and have a higher revenue generating capability so I guess the only good thing about them being "Rare" is the bragging rights. ("Look what I got..." which is nice, but doesn't help in the arena) Now I'm a little bit concerned about saving up the cash (3.5 million not counting books and gifts) to power up Plavala or Vashalanor, (Also 3 Stars) who are listed as EPIC. Hope it doesn't end up being an "epic" (sarcasm intended) waste of time and cash... I'll let everyone know. Have fun y'all! Her name, Laverne McFly, ought to be a clue. Obviously she is a parody of Back to the Future. Nevermind, she IS rather cute wouldn't you say. I love the 3-star outfit she wears in her 'Future' version. It's a change in trend for the girls to be clothed as their affection goes up and I like it. That, in itself, may be a parody of time discombobulation as her 'Cave' persona also becomes clothed at 3-stars and what she wears is almost a direct swap with her 'Future' version. Re. the poor payout and performances of the more 'classy' girls. I certainly agree and no girl, to date, betters 5-star Jennie at 16k in payout. Yes, one would think the payout and arena performances would be commensurate with their rarity, but, although this applies to some extent, there are some rare girls with stats almost as good as epic ones and they are far cheaper to upgrade. I'm in that position with my Peregrine Took account with no legendary or epic girls in my team, but I still win quite often. On the other hand, in my Adrian'smole account I am soon to recruit Dezy, legendary alongside Norou at 4 stars. On the face of it her stats are really good for a 3 star girl so I am about to test her in practice. If she doesn't significantly improve my arena performances then your assertion will be borne out. Right now she is only a little below 5-star Red Battler in attack power (both are maxed out in XP to mine). Edited July 21, 2018 by Zorba the Geek add text Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Wasn't there something about every girl eventually getting to 5 Stars? So just wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorba the Geek Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Sinner said: Wasn't there something about every girl eventually getting to 5 Stars? So just wait. All good things come to those who wait, yes. That's what I'm counting on with Dezy in my know-how account. Imagine her at 5 stars - formidable! At only two stars she's just missed out on joining my team. I ought to plan ahead so I am in a position to upgrade her to her 4th and 5th stars when the time comes. We're about to celebrate the biennial of this game and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if (yes) they spring a few surprises, like more 5-star upgrades of epic girls (as they did with Summer Geekette). I suspect we may have to wait very patiently for upgrades of 3-star legendary girls so as not to undermine the scarcity value of the three so far obtained during the Legendary Days events. Also, I'm not unappreciative of the pressure on the artists and script writers to prepare two more profile images and two more affection scenes for each girl upgraded - and we expect the best quality... Right? It is in HH's interests to upgrade the high-maintenance 'classy' epic and legendary girls to 5 star potential to encourage us to buy kobans (it was a puzzling act of generosity when they gave Sheheramazond two more stars as her rarity value is starting and, therefore, she's cheap to upgrade). On the other hand, it is virtually beyond my reach to use money to upgrade (say) Norou to 5 stars, but 6000 kobans is not out of the question (at least I assume this is what it would cost). We can't buy gifts directly for the upgrades via this route but we can buy combativity and earn money by beating the bosses from our current worlds - great for advanced players. Maybe I should've kept my mouth shut as it might give them ideas! Lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawlies1234 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 On 7/10/2018 at 5:22 PM, MSM007 said: Rule of thumb: If she does not have 5 stars it is NOT worth leveling her up if your goal is to earn more money I'm extremely confused every time I see this. Leveling up any girl increases their hourly income, therefore earning you more money - literally. The payout total is meaningless, sure it's nice collecting later rather than sooner, but hourly income is what increases your overall earnings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorba the Geek Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 5 hours ago, lawlies1234 said: I'm extremely confused every time I see this. Leveling up any girl increases their hourly income, therefore earning you more money - literally. The payout total is meaningless, sure it's nice collecting later rather than sooner, but hourly income is what increases your overall earnings. You are quite correct and is an issue I overlooked. Jennie may pay 16k but her hourly rate is poor (like Sung tai Ki and Kimie). However, I run multiple accounts and I do not have the time to clear the girls' banks on a regular basis. So I collect at once, at a real loss from those girls whose money store has maxed out because they are no longer contributing until I collect from them. In fact, Jennie is the one who holds things up in this scenario, so I now just let her build her income at her own pace while I collect from the faster payers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 11 hours ago, Zorba the Geek said: to prepare two more profile images and two more affection scenes for each girl upgraded - and we expect the best quality... Right? On the other hand, it is virtually beyond my reach to use money to upgrade (say) Norou to 5 stars, but 6000 kobans is not out of the question Actually, I think the charm of this game lies in it's crappy art. It's so bad it's good. Except it isn't. But you get the same kind of dopamine addiction you could get from a casino, only it doesn't cost real money to play. It's like getting cheap knock-offs, in a way. You're better off not wasting Kobans upgrading girls. Reserve Kobans for Epic Pachinko with a girl guaranteed. That way you also get 9 useful items that are sellable for serious cash. I did this recently. Every legendary piece of equipment sold for about 500K in cash. That way I could easily afford the, what, 20 million of whatever currency it costs to upgrade Norou from 4 to 5 stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorba the Geek Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sinner said: Actually, I think the charm of this game lies in it's crappy art. It's so bad it's good. Except it isn't. But you get the same kind of dopamine addiction you could get from a casino, only it doesn't cost real money to play. It's like getting cheap knock-offs, in a way. You're better off not wasting Kobans upgrading girls. Reserve Kobans for Epic Pachinko with a girl guaranteed. That way you also get 9 useful items that are sellable for serious cash. I did this recently. Every legendary piece of equipment sold for about 500K in cash. That way I could easily afford the, what, 20 million of whatever currency it costs to upgrade Norou from 4 to 5 stars. For me koban purchase applies as a serious option only to those legendary girls in my specialty class. It's truly a waste of time upgrading the others. I tend to use kobans for Epic Pachinko, as you suggested, but the temptation to upgrade legendary girls in my specialty to 5 stars is high. Re. your comment on artwork, I both agree and I don't. Let's just say it is highly variable in quality and might reflect the very high number of new events we now have, as well as girls that have been uprated to 5 stars. This must put a lot of pressure on the artists to meet deadlines and quality performance. That being said, there are some moments of real laugh-out-loud humour in some affection scenes. Also, the girls themselves are highly individual in character and reflect real life more closely than a lot of manga and hentai artwork (as an example, there are girls with huge knockers and girls with tiny perky tits - very rare in hentai artwork). Some are rather sexy and are cleverly posed. Re. the casino idea, yes this is another issue I have looked at. The endorphin rush from girl drops (the amazing CGI effects - the money pops out, but the girls' shadows descend) is high and gets to me every time, but, unlike a number of other players, I seem to have been able to resist buying combativity refills with kobans since being badly burnt trying in vain to recruit Levitya in my hardcore accounts. So far I haven't needed to do this. I believe there is another factor at play here and that is the gambling hook itself. Start with relatively easy drops (translation: encouragement to keep playing) and wait for players to become hooked but where drops become progressively harder (translation: hope - so keep trying; it was once easy to get the girls so it could be again if I play enough). I have a strong feeling that this is in play and there are enough people with hope in their hearts buying kobans to encourage HH to cement this in as their business strategy. I say this because it seems that the drop rate has now become progressively lower as one advances through the worlds and battles the respective 'bosses'. This seems to have become very apparent since the rarity changes and the introduction of 10x perform options. My last regular girl to drop was Mavin, in this account, and that was a week and a half ago. In none of my other 4 accounts (where I still have regular girls to recruit) has a girl dropped in three weeks. However, before the changes I recruited all three of Roko Sensei's girls in my 2 oldest accounts before the changes were made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM007 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 On 7/21/2018 at 11:03 AM, lawlies1234 said: I'm extremely confused every time I see this. Leveling up any girl increases their hourly income, therefore earning you more money - literally. The payout total is meaningless, sure it's nice collecting later rather than sooner, but hourly income is what increases your overall earnings. Yeah, but my point was to focus on the ones you need for your team first before going for money, I mean sure extra $ is nice, but if you keep blowing it on 3 starts you'll never get around to working on the ones you need to improve your ability to win fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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