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Fair enough from that perspective. But I did explictly highlight that I was talking about PVP Yup. But can you upgrade all your L5*s just now? I certainly can't. I'm sitting with at least 14 right now that I'm not even close to considering starting. In fact, as I've just passed 700 and will be focused on upgrading the girls at 650 for the next while, that figure is likely to inflate over the next 3 months to (guessing) 30+. The point being that other than a few whales who upgrade everything there's always going to be L5*s that you can never get to upgrading because you just don't have the the gem/GXP resources. They will be useful when they catch a double blessing, but unuseable because you spent your resources elsewhere. A few more of them isn't great obviously as it provides more opportunities to buy your way in front for the whales, but I don't imagine that players are going to start complaining any time soon that they were already (i.e. before this event) receiving more L5*s than they could hope to upgrade to PVP useability. So that we can't grab all of them in this event doesn't seem to impact the PVP that substantively.

Logically, each tier of purchase should have taken you up at least one girl. So the first girl free. 2nd with the first card. 3rd with the second card. Then the last would be pay walled. *Below not directed at EpicB, just general comments* Honestly, I don't like the paywall much at all, but this event really isn't the end of the world. Unless you're a player spending real money heavily it's unlikely you're able to max out all the L5s/Mythics you're already getting free. These L5s aren't substantively different to any other L5s. In fact, 3 out of the 4 of them fall on colours that are already heavily represented, meaning that it's less likely players will have the excess gems of these colours to upgrade extra L5s. The whole balance of the event is waaaay off (what % of players are seriously going to spend enough $$$ to finish this event?) and it's demotivating to see rewards that you can't work hard, or prioritise your in game resources, to get. But it's not likely to substantively unbalance the PvP aspects of the game.

Without meaning to sound overly critical, most new features and events seem to end up needing rebalanced after community feedback. I don't think there are many mathematicians checking this events before they get released.

Genuinely disappointing to see just a pure p2p feature built in, and one with an astronomical price tag. I'll take the free stuff and say thanks. I may even go as far as the first card (330 NKoban for a 5*), but I think that's as far as I'll go. Half the 5*s in my Harem are never likely to be used anyway, so I may not even do that. And I have to assume that the cards will be purchasable later for full credit, or that this will be a change made before the end of the event. Otherwise the card depreciates in value with each day so any player who doesn't happen to be online on the first day becomes less incentivised to purchase.

Nutaku - HIGH VALUE ALERT - both Silver Lupa and Valentia. And a Pachinko contest.

Are you using one of the community scripts? If so you can play about with your equipment combinations (and other combinations team wise) and check your win % in different situations. @45026831 and @Tom208's scripts are a master class that can really help you up your game

Well I just got Legendary equip on Alban. Started on the final stage and it takes so long to grind through that now the first two stages have given equip I don't have any reasonable hope of getting through. That's the end of pursuing that champion girl. Still I should manage 3 out of the 4 available to me on champions, I got Darla, and another from villians (one with a 100 shard drop - @Liliat - we're 1 in a 1k bros!) and should get another before the events over. I can't complain really. I'd kinda be with @Xemnas - what kind of Harem celebration is this if the Mythics weren't invited? Some dynamic that included them in some way would be a positive. Not suggesting replacing anything and it's not about being greedy - I think it's been a really good event that's been very generous - but the Mythics are a big part of the game now and for a celebration of all things Harem, that should have some nod to the Mythics.

Exactly. Tbh, I really don't care at all about 3* girls. I realise they add to my passive bonus, and yes I want that maxed out, but I'm gaining 20+ of these girls a month anyway. My focus isn't on Pokemoning either - exclusive girls don't matter to me unless they help my PvP team. If KK wants that to change then they need to alter the game format again to make these girls viable. I actually really liked the pre-BDSM/post-Blessings meta, where pretty much any girl could become important and playable on any given week. But I've always viewed the draft/EPx10 orbs as great for sniping Pachinko contests. The problem with that is my game focus has changed significantly since the CbCs came into play. Ordinarily I'll try and pick-up the LC girl on the first day with PXP. Even when I can't though (as with the last few months as I've been hitting the MRs rather than grabbing the paid PoV), I'll grab 50 shards. Which means grabbing another 50 over the next 3 days. Not exactly a massive challenge. I certainly don't need to snipe the Pachinko contest on day two to that degree and can usually cover this via EPs. And I now burn most of my MP/GPx10 on the CbCs. This leave minimal room for taking on regular DC Pachinko contests, which is about the only Pachinko contests that I'd be able to snipe with Drafts/EPx10s. So I've just left them there. KK are prone to throwing curve balls anyway. You never know when they'll do something random (anniversary/xmas etc etc) that'll force you to adjust your strategy significantly anyway. Who knows what these might come in useful for in the future.....

I already have Finalmecia maxed, I have enough Sub gems for the next Sub Mythic and enough to pick-up Bunna whenever she reappears With loads of padding room.

They don't? Has there been some change I'm unaware of? I can completely understand how those in less favourable timezones are completely f'd over, especially with the CbC delivering such a signficant amount of resources. For me, the CbCs have become the premier event, second only to MD/MDR when I need the Mythic.

🎣 🤣 - thank you!

Those don't sound too unachievable to me. On average, I'd estimate I walk away with ~300-360k GXP/week from the CbC. 7x20k from Missions. 7x33k from shop regens. 300k + 140k + 231k = 671k GXP/week. This discounts the GXP from PoP, from getting an extra 0.5 shop regens/day (I'll reset if I happen to be up to the bathroom overnight), Pachinko (which adds a LOT of GXP), Seasons, PoV, PoG etc etc. 760k is imo achievable. 1.5M obviously isn't, but there is only one Mythic/month, so you could actually spread that extra 740k over 4.~ weeks for an extra ~180k/week. Not suggesting that it's not tight either way, but that type of threshold does sound like it's 'balanceable' between gems and GXP. Thanks for the feedback from further down the road btw

I actually think this would be a great feature - not between players, but a gem exchange in the shop would be fantastic. Obviously with a detrimental exchange rate so as not to unbalance the game. And broadly I would agree - when you compare the gift on day one to day two, it's a bit like getting caviar and a stale bread crust, but that's only because day one was a bolt from the heaven, almost never get this level of resourse type gift. I'm still happiest with the tPoP when the gems drop (other than Koban or EPx3). Actually, in a strange way the gems may be more use to me. I'm so reluctant to spend the EPx10 I've still got the gifts from xmas lol: Someone needs to tell me that if they're not used they're not worth anything!

You don't want them, pass them over here 😛

The point was more about timing than anything else. It's likely that we'll see another Sub Mythic one of the next 4 months. It's possible we'll see Bunna in November. But between now and November that another 18k Sub gems (150/day). So if we get an unknown Mythic, Bunna and two L5s in that time, the total cost is 24840, with 31k gems! You're entirely right that those gems would be depleted quickly with the right options. But there's little control over when those additional options will crop up. The point I was looking to make was that the historical deficit of Sub girls is still directly impacting play for me, and depending on which girls players have picked-up pre-BDSM the same effect is likely occurring for other players for the 4 mentioned Dominances

So I've just checked and I'm in the position today to break the 650 Awakening and move on to 700. I've taken a different approach to a lot of the players hitting this stage, in that I've gone a pure 5*+ road with no junk whatsoever, so I thought I'd provide a few observations. I also think most people will agree that this strategy is going to be more similar to the mature version of the BSDM system - once you've passed the 700 Awakening, there's no longer any reason to build-up garbage 3*s so the focus will be purely on 5*+ with variation between those players who feel it's better to have more Mythics and less girls overall and those who feel it's better to have fewer Mythics to build-up more L5s. In total I will have at level 650: 14 Mythics 43 Legendaries 1 Epic 7 Rares 21 Commons (I realise this is a total of 86 - there was an accounting error that was caught while making this post) The first significant observation I'd make is that GXP has NOT proved a bottle neck for this approach. Quite the opposite in fact. I've got a significant excess of the stuff. To level-up the final girls I need to hit the magic 85, I need to spend another 1,345,000 GXP. Right now I have: That leaves me over 5mil GXP spare. To give that some context, that means I could move all 14 of my Mythics to level 700 and still have over 600k GXP. If I had the gems that is..... And that leads me on to what has actually been the bottle neck - gems. There's never enough of them to be found! As can be seen from my GXP above, I've got stacks of the stuff. I actually can't spend it in any useful way for waiting for gems to allow me to unlock girls. This however creates a secondary bottleneck that I've not heard anyone mention so far - girl availability. Passing this threshold I have the following availability of gems/need for gems to upgrade all of my current girls to 700: Dom: 349/17300 Sub: 13625/15300* Voy: 1536/16000* Ecc: 1273/18450* Exh: 749/22300 Phy: 36/18100* Play: 75/12950 Sen: 766/13600 * These required totals also include a Mythic that has not been release yet, but that is due between Aug-Nov. The point I'd make with the above is just how significant the Submissive imbalance has been for me. I am only short by 1625 of being able to upgrade all my Sub girls to 700 immediately, including holding enough back for the next Sub Mythic. That means in ~11 days (counting 150 gems/day) I once again start banking Sub gems that are effectively valueless to me. My accrual rate is highly likely to outpace the release of new 5*s that I could potentially use these gems on. [FYI - Aella is already taken into consideration] With the balance I currently have I could have fully upgraded 3 L5*s, meaning accessing L700 weeks earlier. What I'm driving at is that while KK has looked to shift the balance between narrative and game play in terms of evening out the release of Mythics by Dominance, they don't yet appear to have made efforts to level out the balance for L5s, with Submissive, Voyeur, Eccentric and Physical still trailing behind in terms of available girls. As long as these Dominances have the same proportional deficit, then in the later stages of the game these colours of gems are going to reduce in value as they stack-up with no viable assets to spend them on.

I don't have the depleted MP pool that you do, but used to hold my MPx1 for when a 5* came up. I don't anymore. The gems on offer in the CbC are worth so much more.

Praise be! I have so many f'ing Submissive gems, and they seem to just keep piling up!

Would love to, but are the Clubs not different across HH and Nutaku?

You could interest me if I meet the high bar I'm sick of my Club burning through the CC challenges before the relevant CbC days. It's by far the best use of CC challenges. It's once a week. And yet time and time again I get up on Thursday morning to zero challenges left because they chose to burn through a load before Wed. Tried gently nudging them towards smarter usage, but apparently I'm worth ignoring 😭

Let thou who has never unfairly crabbed at their other half because they've been tired/hungry/sore judge. The rest of us should remember our own foibles 😛 And as I seem to recall you looked to diffuse a similar misunderstanding between myself and @Incubys recently when I was having a bad morning and could mayhaps have worded my responses a little more carefully/gently, or indeed simply have properly read Incub's posts. Not at all. Racing to 750 was a gamble on being both fast and good. I started out knowing that I couldn't be fast enough. I later figured out I also wasn't good enough lol. Improving certainly, but not ready to take on the big guns. So I never even considered taking this approach. If I'd been 70-80 levels higher (as I am now) I would likely have given it serious consideration. You were already good enough to compete on a level field with the top players, and the gap between you and them in other respects was small enough that aggressively pursuing the strategy would allow you to overcome the disadvantage. You made the right call and are reaping the rewards! Where we maybe disagree is on newer players skipping Mythics. But that position is heavily caveated for me. Obviously any new player HAS to skip MD altogether until they can actually gather enough Kobans to make a successful run for one. Alongside that, if you're scrimping and saving to get one, you need to pick the right one - like you said - not a weak colour. But as soon as you can get yourself to a position where you can start to pick Mythics up regularly, imo it's worth slowing down your PLevel and GLevel a little and missing out on some other events not to miss them, for no other reason than they come around so infrequently and really strain the resources to collect two in a month that they're going to become a complete pita to backfill later on. Well, I say that, but actually there is another reason. Being lower in player level, and harem size, and girl level I'm consistently playing against players that effectively outclass me in every respect. I'm still consistently in the bottom 15% of every D3 bracket I'm in on PLevel. The weeks that I do well and hit the top 15 are the weeks I have really strong teams. The weeks where the blessings hit the Mythics I have and miss the ones I don't. The more Mythics I have, or conversely the fewer Mythics I'm missing, the more of those weeks there are So I'd personally encourage newer players to start grabbing Mythics as soon as they can. While I know the Plevel progression is slow it's a LOT faster than it used to be with all the PoV and PoG PXP that you can pick-up for free every month and the Mythics in my experience make a significant practical difference when you're playing against lower skilled player who have stronger everything else. I'll break 700 either next week or the week after. At that point my expectation would be to step up a class and start consistently and comfortably taking top 15 and look to cherry pick the weeks that I think I can take a stab at top 4. Looking forward to it

Congratulations! Glad things held together for you Sorry to hear that - my wife suffers terribly with them. Now we're hitting the key differential between our strategies. Starting position. When the BDSM system came into place you were already FAR further down the road than me. There was the potential for you to outpace enough players to make a significant gain by taking 1st-4ths if you were quick enough. It's not that I don't understand the potential benefits of additional Kobans from those positions. It's simply that in this race I started far enough behind (~level 360) that I would have been engaging in a race that I couldn't win. Trying to push for 750 would have been the worst of both worlds - not gaining (enough) additional Kobans AND missing out on these girls that are becoming more and more central to success at the top end. We took the same path on this and I completely agree. I started my first week in D3 at level 363 and it was very tough. But that first week was the only week I didn't make the top 45, earning more Koban than D2 16-30. Well worth moving up. Forced me to become a far better player and gained more resources. This is the principal difference - if pushing for 750 could have gained me the extra ~300 Koban/week from hitting 4th rather than being in the top 15, that would have been a worthwhile strategy. But the reality is that this strategy - at best - would have been the difference between top 30 and top 15 (~100 Koban). I was too far behind the players like yourself who were going to quickly take the top 4 by the scruff of the neck. You may not be common, but there are enough of you that I could not have outpaced you regardless of the approach taken. And that would be the discussion point - are the upcoming players more similar in their position to you or me? Encouraging these players to spend their Koban buying GXP to push for 750 isn't likely to see them outpace enough players to make the big resource gains that you comfortably are. So is missing out of the strongest girls worth it for them to gain the extra levels quicker? My opinion would be no. I understand you see things differently. DvDivXXX - I'll chalk the above up to your migraine. It is certainly an overly harsh summation that skates the edges of condescending! We're discussing theories and opinions here, not proven results. The same comments could equally be applied to your responses today, but I prefer to think of it as alternative view points from a seriously good player who has a differing set of base criteria to play with

Agreed, though I don't consider myself part of that category just yet, but we're in the twilight now. I'd estimate I'll cross the 750 Awakening late October/early November and that will be with 18-19 Mythics at level 700. By the end of the year I'd project all of them being level 750. And I started a lot further back than many of the players I'd consider to be at the 'top' I was using the term to mean 'players who can routinely compete for the top 4 (if not top) spot. You're not wrong that there is an inflation there - though how significant is in question - but I would point out that there are two other factors that influence the accuracy of the 'top 7' categorisation: i) L5*s also suffer from the same malody. Nutaku next week: Admittedly this is to a lesser degree because L5s have to hit a blessing to begin with to overtake Mythics in the first place, but blessings on common attributes do regularly result in a tail of L5s over the bottom or the top 7. This partially offsets the Mythic tail, but obviously far from completely. The more important factor is..... ii) Not all top 7 spots are equal. It's easy to conflagate the top 7 and take for granted in this type of discussion that all top 7 spots imbue the same advantage. They don't. Take the above example. Mythic Nomey is over 14% stronger than Alluza, Imogen and LXIX. Nutaku this week: Again, 3 Mythics at the top, again over 14% stronger than the four L5s. HH this week: Mythics occuply spots 1, 4 and 5 as there are a couple of double blessed L5s. #1 is over 50% stronger than #7. In fact, it's over 14% stronger than #2!! Yes, I agree that the 'Mythic tail' phenomenom is inflating the chances of a Mythic being in the top 7. But by it's very nature the 'top 7' is a misnomer that misleads players into thinking that all 7 are equal. The above example aren't proof - the sample is too small - but common sense dictates that Mythics are going to be at the at the top of the top 7 more frequently as well. I absolutely align with your strategy given this particular set of blessings. But the point would be that this near non-blessing is an outlying result, not a good example of what we're seeing week-to-week. The point I'm making was not that Playful, Voyeur, Submissive Mythics were equally strong to the rest when there is no blessing at play. Obviously you're going to choose the stronger colours. But just looking at the other 3 examples on the current run of the spreadsheet, there's a Playful and a Voyeur in the top spots and another Voyeur legitimately in the top 7. Again this doesn't prove anything as on other weeks this is unlikely to happen happen, but any time a Mythic catches a blessing it is effectively certain to be in the top 7 and most of the time will be further up the rankings than #7. And that's my point. By the end of this year I'll be past the final Awakening and likely have all (barring the first 5) Mythics upgraded to 750. I'm 100% f2p so certainly not whaling. I can't believe I'll be the only player in this position. But, where you miss Mythics in lieu of trying to push for 750 quicker, catching those Mythics later will, with certainty, take a long time. Btw - with regard to your final example, I could field (admittedly only at level 650) all 4 of the Voyeurs, because there's f.a. else to spend purple gems on, and Himari. It would be New Year Estelle that I'd feel the sting of - the Mythic lol. I hope the league ended favourably for you and you didn't get done out of 1st by someone who simply bought the win I feel a thread break coming on.......

I agree with everything else you've said, but not this. We're nearing the end of the transistion phase of the BDSM system, that being where a lot of the top players tried to race to 500/750 to have dominance over those that didn't progress as quickly. As more players reach 500/750, the field gets levelled again. Once parity is acheived the differential between the top players will be skill (choosing appropriate teams for appropriate situations and identifying players when they are unboosted) and blessings. Having the Mythics that hits a blessing in a week is likely to be a significant advantage when compeating for those coveted top positions. Mythics hit the blessings FAR more often than L5s. Even the worst Mythic lands in the top 7 twice as often as the best L5*. And the problem with Mythics is that they come around so infrequently. So if you missed Magical Noemy this month, it'll be the end of June next year before you get another chance to pick her up. That's ~12 weeks over the next year where you won't have one of the blessed Mythics and other top players will. Add to this that you're likely to find yourself in the same position next year - finding resources to pick-up both the MD and MR in a month is TOUGH - and missing Mythics starts to look like a debt you'll never pay back.... Add to this that the more Mythics that are release, the more they come to dominate the top 7. Right now the worst Mythic has a ~22% of being in the top 7. There are 20 Mythics. If they each have a one in five chance of being in the top 7, on average 4 of them are going to be there every week. A year from now there will be 32 Mythics. Let's assume that the worst Mythic's chance of being in the top 7 drops to 15% (imo unlikely to fall this far). That's almost 5 Mythics on average every week. If it only drops to 18% that's nearly 6 Mythics/week. The more Mythics that are release the more redundant L5*s become, slowly being relegated to the same position as 3* where they only become useful if they hit a double blessing. Already we have 7 (!!) blue eyed Mythics. This effectively makes any 'Week of Blue Eyes' a 'Week of Mythic' and means that L5*s are only going to be useful these weeks where they are either double blessed, or hit a significantly stronger blessing (i.e. 20% blue eyes, 40% another blessing). My suspicion would be that many of the top players are ensuring that they have every Mythic.

I've picked-up Nomey. [EDIT - and that's the server down for the Wed update. I sure am glad I got the last few shards before that happened!!!] Stats: Total Kost (including 5xSP): 1266 Nutaku Kobans (7596 HH). This is the joint cheapest Mythic I've picked-up since Undercover Valentina tied with Bright Agate last month who cost and identical amount! 769 Combativity used, 329 free (actual cost 24 Kobans for 3x50 play right at the start). Drop rate was (for the seventh month in a row) below the average (7%) at 6.50%. Along the way I picked up 48 MPs (drop 6.24%), 28 tickets (drop 3.64%) and 1500 gems (drop 9.75%). Overall drop rate across all Mythics: 12674 Combativity used for 809 drops = 6.38% Given the 'strongest girl' status of Magical Nomey on Nutaku next week, I'll be levelling her today to take advantage of the complimentary CbC and DC and I'll upgrade her over the coming week as relevant Missions come through. First time I've ever pushed through a Mythic so quickly. I usually wait for the PoA at the end of the month. This month's Mythic was the least popular Mythic to date. I took a screenshot with 3.5 hours to go: Looking at the figures at a similar point for the last few months: - Bright Agate was at 81k - Succubus Abreal was at 63k - Druiada Titania was at 95k - Sugarmama Lupa's Mum was at 75k - Lovebot Norou was at 46k - Angelic Lenaelle was at 63k The pattern here still supports the idea that the 3rd Mythic of a Dominance is less popular. It also suggests reducing player engagement with MD. 180 fewer players on the Nutaku server picked up Magical Nomey compared with Bright Agate. 360 less than Succubus Abreal. This is interesting in itself as the more Mythics that are released, the more these girls come to dominate the combat mechanics of the game. Not having them becomes a substantive barrier to placing highly. Yet demand for them certainly seems to be tailing off. Of course, perhaps demand is decreasing as players come to rely on the MR, meaning that they know when this girl will turn up again so they're not as worried or willing to stretch resources now to get her. Or the anniversary month could be playing a role, with more players holding back resources for that, and giving a false read on any trend in this case.... -------------------------------- Predictions for July's Mythic (starting with most likely imo): - Eccentric (red) - There are only currently 2 Eccentric Mythics, so this would bring Eccentric in line with Playful (yellow), Dominant (black), Exhibitionist (green) and Sensual (blue) at 3. It is the Dominance that has gone longest without (12 months) making it well overdue. I expected Eccentric both last month and this month, which suggests that length of time since the last Mythic of a colour isn't a strong indicator of likelihood, but nevertheless Eccentric still falls into that bracket of only having 2 active Mythics, meaning it's very likely to appear in the next four months. - Physical (orange)/Submissive (White) - Physical's now overdue at 8 months since the last and Submissive's due at 7 and a new Mythic would only bring them up to 3. - Voyeur (purple) - Only been 2 months since we had the last Voyeur last month, but again there are only 2 active Voyeur Mythics so another still maintains equilibrium. - Playful (yellow)/Dominant (black)/Sensual (blue)/Exhibitionist (green) - We had a Playful this month, a Dominant last month, an Exhibitionist 3 months ago and Sensual 5 months ago. These are also the only Dominances with 3 Mythics so far. It seems very unlikely that they're going to turn up next month. If I was to put my best guess out it would currently be: - August - Eccentric (red) - September - Physical (orange) - October - Submissive (white) - November - Voyeur (purple) I'm already using the above to steer my strategy decisions and have started hoarding these gems accordingly to ensure that I have them available at the right times. This strategy has really paid off, ensuring that I had the resources (gems) available this month to act immediately to level up Nomey