[[ 03-Jun-22 ] Mythic Days - Discussion]

25 minutes ago, EpicBacon said:

So Agate's art isent bad, it's okay... 
However, we just had a much superior version of Agate in the phone messenger thingy.
Her art in that is really good, the dress she has is very detailed and looks great.
But instead we get her in this version, with very little clothing, meaning you have less chance to put details in.
Unless you go for tattoo's and such, there is not too much you can do once the clothing is off.
We know we could have had better, we just had; so unfortunaly for me she drops into the "meh" category.

I will probably still try to get her, as she is domi, and black element is allways nice, more damage is good.
(not sure why she is domi, she is more playful or submissive) but anyhow.
 

They did that to fit her in the egyptian vibe from Sandy Seduction event.

[[ 03-Jun-22 ] Mythic Days - Discussion]

got 18 shards (9 drops) from 80 fights before shards ran out, hopefully next refill will last longer

Edit: 1st run 9 drops (18 shards) in 80 fights

        2nd run 16 drops (32 shards) in 261 fights

        3rd run 19 drops (38 shards) in 320 fights

       last run 6 drops (12 shards) in 95 fights

 

total 756 fights (6.6% drop rate)

[Everything About Mythic Days (& Revival)]

You should add that Sandalwood Perfume booster is only avaible to buy from lvl 201 onwards in the market @Liliat

Before that, you can only get it from Paid path in PoV.

[New Feature: Path of Glory (PoG) live on Test Server!]

13 hours ago, Ravi-Sama said:

I think 6k kobans is ridiculous, but it has to be more than 3.6k kobans, if that's what an L3 PoV girl costs.  I honestly don't think that there should be a "premium" section for this, b/c it makes half of the girls harder to get, when they were all equally difficult to get.  Should just have a single girl.  That way the supply of girls for the PoG would last longer.  A premium set of rewards would only fool newer players who don't know that L5 girls are common.  There's 64 sets of rewards, 30 gems for each premium reward, 1920 total gems, or 240 of each gem type.   I wouldn't spend 6k kobans just for the gems and common resources.  Glad I have all of the LC girls.  I'll keep my 6k kobans to waste on Mythic Girls.

 

Making it 3.6k kobans isn`t that ridiculous, considering PoV girls are brand new, that no one owns, while PoG girls are re-released girls, that most older players own and won`t even consider buying, so lowering it will give newer players a bigger incentive to buy them.

[New Feature: Path of Glory (PoG) live on Test Server!]

Imo, I think adding LD girls to the paid path and LC girls to the free path will be a better split for PoG.

[Undocumented and/or hidden changes that were left out of the Patch Notes.]

6 hours ago, DvDivXXX said:

Actually a complete new drawing for pose 0 and a nice rework of pose 1. Both big improvements. Poses 2 to 5 are unchanged (and they were already fine). I can't tell about the affection scenes since I haven't upgraded her yet. Nice catch!

PS: Not sure what you mean by "only in battle and hero background", the poses are just changed, period. The new pics appear instead of the previous versions everywhere, including in the Harem (unless you haven't emptied your cache since the change probably).

Nope, I cleared cache, still shows the old 0* pose for me in harem, the 1* is changed.

[Undocumented and/or hidden changes that were left out of the Patch Notes.]

They changed Druiada Titania 0* pose, only in battle and hero background.

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It`s back on, no need to learn french anymore 🤣

[[ 10-May-22] Bang Alluza - Discussion]

8 minutes ago, Mr.S said:

Let's see if I can get this one, so far I haven't won a single one... My girls are 500 now though, All blue still works?

Follow this team and buff guide, helped me finish my first boss bang 

 

 

[[ 10-May-22] Bang Alluza - Discussion]

Got my first Bang Boss, had to use 1 refresh tho 🙂

[Top Mythic girls (overall)]

2 hours ago, DvDivXXX said:

You can't combine these two answers. Trying to do so is almost akin to Kinkoid's surveys asking us to give one score to "the girl", without differentiating between her design, her character, the art style and quality of the particular series of pics of her we're supposed to evaluate, the theme, and so on. So, great character drawn like shit? 5/10. Shitty character beautifully drawn? 5/10 too, and so the score tells you nothing concrete about either thing.

Blessings are temporary effects that can completely wrap the normal power level scales for one or even a whole bunch of characters during one week. That's not at all compatible with the other factors which are stable and permanent and determine the normal power level scales (unless temporarily messed up by blessings).

I'm a bit baffled by glaring omissions and incorrect assumptions about what Elements are, as well as extreme overrating of how much the likelihood to be blessed is worth, in most of the answers you've received so far. Disclaimer: I'm currently ill, I have a fever and I might "sound" harsher than I mean to as a result. But these guys know I mean well and for some of them we've had disagreements and possibly misunderstandings on that before. I still love them. ❤️ 

Anyways.

1. Element =/= (potential to) Counter. That's just one (minor) side of what each individual color can do. The decisive, permanent and much more important effect of any given girl's Element is the active bonus you get for having her in your team (regardless of what color tag your team as a whole has). Putting Royal Housemaid in your battle team de facto includes equipping 20% of an extra cordyceps, all the time, always. Your team doesn't have to be tagged Dark and the opponent's team doesn't have to be tagged White for that (if both conditions are true, then you also get the counter slash "dominance scheme" bonus, but that's completely unrelated). Likewise, putting an inherently weak Mythic like Bunna, Sugar Mamma or Nike in your team gives you a shitty active bonus (and takes up the slot you could have given to someone with a good active bonus instead), all the time, always. That's why these don't see play when unblessed (from good players with enough options to bench them unless they're blessed), whereas Mythics with strong active bonuses see play all the time even unblessed (including Royal H, which is obviously one of the strongest Mythics, not anywhere near the weakest).
    
2. Blessings come and go. A strong girl is always strong (occasionally even stronger if blessed) whereas a weak girl is always weak, except when reality is warped by the RNG of Blessings to make her artificially strong for a week. Actual Power > Blessing Likelihood. Sure, it's frustrating at times, since Bunna (despite having a BAD element, not a good one) has been blessed or even double-blessed so many times that she can be perceived as "strong". But no. No one runs Bunna (if they have better girls to swap in) except when she's blessed. Even counting all the weeks she's made top 7 thanks to Blessings, and taking into account she's the oldest Mythic, all the weeks she was bad because she's bad without a blessing to make her good more than make up for it. She's bad. Of course she's good to have for those blessed weeks, if you can, but unless you're in a Scrooge McDuck situation any Mythic who is good by default rather than bad by default is obviously a better investment.
    
3. Macha. Housemaid. Norou. Lenaëlle. Estelle. Radka. Alexa. That's the default top 7. One tier below you have Val and Red, and arguably pretty close behind them, the three Green ones (Arcana, Lupa and Titania). Then active bonus value goes off a cliff from there, with Final,  Bunna, Nike and Abraël all being bad, and then you have the bottom of the barrel with Moe B and Sugar Mama being even worse. Now, there are other considerations when making a team, like counters when you end up with a color tag or two, and so on. So for instance even if you have the top 7 I listed, you might want to swap out one of the three Blue girls for one Orange to keep the team's rainbow tag. Although Blue's "counter" being Yellow, when blessings don't have a major impact, carrying three Yellow weaklings just to get that extra cordy (and technically a chlorella too, but whatever) on stronger teams doesn't quite make up for the Blue team's extra Lifesteal.
    
4. There's way too much speculation and credit given to Blessings in general and the probability of a given girl getting blessed in particular imho. It's insanely inefficient to adapt to Blessings all the time and investing in NPCs just for the one time they happen to get +70% for a week is a losing strategy in the long term (unless you're already done with everything else in which case you should already dominate no matter what, but why not). Neono is the third "best" girl this week on HH, in theory and on the spreadsheet. This or that 3-star Legendary or even Epic can end up in "top 7" every now and then. They're still at level 450 or less in my harem and I'm aiming to unlock level 750 NOT in 5 years, so the spreadsheet might as well read "no blessings for you this week". At least I have a strong team to default to (more or less, I'm actually missing 4 out of the default top 7 I listed above ^^).
    

No. The most valuable thing on a Mythic is her Element (which would or will be secondary to her stats if or when power creep occurs; so far, they all have the same amount of stats despite different stat distributions, though). Then her class (and if you have multiple ones of the same class, her favorite pose). Then, although that's relative to the rest of the field and subject to change, and not a part of the girl's inherent strength, come all the considerations about this or that attribute being niche or widespread, and if the girl double dips on one or more attribute(s) or, in Housemaid's case, is missing one attribute.

That's about it. Sure, Sugar Mama was top-tier last week on HH. She's trash this week and all of the weeks RNG doesn't magically put her on top, though. Conversely, Housemaid will be the top girl next week, but she's always strong regardless.

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On Housemaids and the No Hair Color Scam.

Yes, the HousemaidS (plural) are legion. And sure, they're kind of treated like a hive-mind type of thing, with lots of wordplay and haha jokes from the Peach world to each of the 5 girl variants we have for "her/them". Still, that's inconsistent for starters, as all 5 have "Unknown" hair color yet "Blue" eyes, but not all Housemaids have blue eyes. We see ones with Red, Green and Brown eyes in Royal Housemaid's affection scenes alone (they did all have Blue eyes back in the map World, but they broke that rule, so why not make their Eye color "Unknown" as well?). More importantly, it's clear that there are individual girls within that tribe slash clone factory slash hundred-plets group, and also that each "Girl Variant" in our Harem focuses on ONE specific Housemaid in particular, even if some others typically show up too because they're basically inseparable.

So a much fairer and consistent approach would be to give each Housemaid "Girl Variant" attributes aligned with those of the main character each represents, instead of pretending that it's always the entire horde. Because it's clearly not. And also because a tiny trivia point in the lore aka a running gag shouldn't be reason enough to give these girls a handicap on game mechanics.

Thanks for the indepth exlanation @DvDivXXX really appreciated and helped me understand more about how it works 😀

59 minutes ago, Kenrae said:

I agree with most of what you've said, but...

Where does this love for Red come from? 🤔 In my experience and on every simulation I've ever made Orange gives systematically better results. The only situation where Red is better is when your odds are nearly impossible, because it gives you a chance, so basically against Pantheon walls or if you're very lower levelled in your league. Usually, Red is not much better than Green.

Also thanks for the input, Orange seems better than Red to me as well @Kenrae
 

[Top Mythic girls (overall)]

So, I see Succubus Abrael is now rank 1 on zoopokemon`s sheet, is that bugged?

On another note, do you guys agree that having multiple colors is the most valued thing on Mythics, even counting their class?

[Top Mythic girls (overall)]

27 minutes ago, holymolly said:

Best girl is Mythic Norou.. that´s all you gotta know (the others have told you pretty much everything of importance except for the most important so let me add that to what the guys have already said )

 

until we get mythic bianca with good art ofc

 Can I get non-bias answer 😂

On a serious note, I regret not playing when Norou and Lenalle were released, both are double colored and have a great design.

[Top Mythic girls (overall)]

 Yes, I do lack Eccentric characters, i even have 3k gems for that element with nothing to use them on.

 

12 minutes ago, Attirm said:

Bunna, Norou, and Lanaelle are generally regarded as the strongest mythics due to having double colors for their hair in addition to good elements. The newly released Abrael is interesting since she has a very weak element but double eye color. Beyond that it really comes down to your harem composition and what you need. A lot of people are really lacking in terms of Eccentric girls, which will make Alexa and Radka very valuable to you.

Royal Housemaid is a bit notorious since she doesn't have a hair color (it's "Unknown" which means it's never blessed) which means she's less likely to get blessings. This was particularly obnoxious because when she was first released she had hair color pink but that was retroactively removed after people had spent their kobons to get her. In any event, it kinda makes her the weakest mythic.

 I was thinking the same, 2 color Mythics seem the best choice, since they have higher chance to be blessed.

[Top Mythic girls (overall)]

 I know about zoopokemon data sheet, but there they`re rated by how blessed they are, with 2 submissive element girl being in top 5.

 Can someone tell us which are the top 10 mythics, by both element and belssing , not just one or the other?

 

Edit: So pretty much the answer to my questions comes up to this, for those who don`t want to read all the replies, first comes the class/ dominance of the mythic, then how many colors for eyes/hair does she have, of course, if you like her, get her.

 

Here`re the agreed order of dominances in this topic:
 

 

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10 minutes ago, spinnie said:

Little Tip to speed this feature up till they add an option for it (hopefully)

If you click on a reply, then straight away on the X to close the thing and reopen it, the next answer is ready to be pressed.

On my browser that goes 10x faster then waiting for the next reply button to appear.

 

You don't lose anything this way, since everything is allready processed the moment the page starts scrolling with new output

 

PS. Same trick also works to speed up champ battles, the moment the carrot is done and it starts the animation up, just click on the HH symbol in the top. Everything like progress and rewards is allready processed the moment the carrot is done dancing.

You can also switch between the different chats, it makes it quicker than clicking the X 

[Increasing the ymens/h of Starting girls]

11 hours ago, lepidocter said:

No, wait. Usually when something is affecting *just you*, you should first ask about.

A - The starting girls are giving you the amount of 10 Legendary. I dunno how much you do want to compensate starting gameplay. Early, you had to collect 30 girls before reaching that income level. So, now is faster.

B - You don't have to increase the rank of *all* girls with BDSM and awakening, so ymen aren't an issue anymore.

C - By your same logic, a game called "Super Mario" should make easy for you to be Super and be Italian. If a game is called 'F1 Race', to win the race should be the easiest thing? Or the *harder*?

D - No one get the card for ymens even if billions, and I tell you: I'm one that buy cards.

E - You're struggling 'cause you are *not* middle level, I thought the same at your level. I'm probably just now, at Level 360+ and one year of serious gameplay on my bones (and wallet).

F - 10x money mean that ymens become totally not influentual on the game economy, so why not remove the thing entirely if it doesn't matter anymore?

G - Try this: max out PoP, collect more orbs, sell items. You'll be no more in shortage - as long you do accept the game is called "harem heroes" and not "magical orbs of random droppage".

The resume of your suggestion is: "I want everything without any effort, gimme more for reasons, and for free."

Not a good suggestion, if I can tell you.

Doesn`t that seem like a flaw to you, not increasing the rank of the girls and unlocking all the art hidden there. Do you WANT to collect the girls and leave them at 0* in your harem, never seeing their art, or do you HAVE to, due to limited ymens?

The main attraction for me in this game is collecting the girls and seeing all the art the artists have drawn for them aka ranking them up, PvP and other things are extra to the core, so I can enjoy even more playing with the girls in my Harem, right now you only get half ( the collecting part) not the other half ( ranking up and unlocking all the beautiful art your girls have to offer)

Maybe I am wrong and a majority of the players want to just leave the girls at 0* in their Harem. 

Anyway, I welcome any tips from a veteran player  @lepidocter

[Increasing the ymens/h of Starting girls]

16 hours ago, Liliat said:

Hmmm. No?

Bunny, Red Battler and Juliette have been recently buffed to 300k/6h each, just a few months ago.

That's at least 10 times what they used to provide. And having just 3 girls with a huge buff means you can just collect these 3 and ignore the rest, if you so wish. In my case, these 3 girls now provide 1/3 of my total harem income.

So, I'd say your suggestion is great, but maybe a few months too late?

 

 Back before I left they still gave 55k/h ymen, I remember wanting to full max star them for that juicy ymen/h income.

 The best way to fix the lack of ymen, is an overall buff to harem, 2x/5x or 10x it, like they did with PXP,it`s so plentiful, I went from lvl 40 to lvl 223 in 29 days, all that did is put me in -65 mil, in both my secondary player stats and -55 mil in my main player stat, I kinda regret lvling so fast, if all it does is put me in more "debt" when it comes to my player stat.

 Buffing ymen income overall is the best fix, if everyone has a big stash of ymen to go around, then the huge stacks that veterans have will become less of an advantage, especially for early game and mid game players like myself are really starving for ymen. Plus buffin the harem will incentivise players to get the monthly card, which is a win for KK.

[Increasing the ymens/h of Starting girls]

Hi everyone, I`m making a suggestion of increasing the amount of ymens/h the girls in your harem give, especially the Starting girls and the free girls you get from each completed world, preferably an overall increase in ymens/h income of each harem girl.

I used to play the game back in march 2017 (returned march 2022) and we only had 1 event per month then, with only epic/rare girl in it, the Starting girl gave the same ymen/h income as they give today, even though the number of girls have increased and they even introduced Legendary and Mythic girls, which increased the expense.

In my opinion reducing the ymen income seems like the wrong direction, especially since the veteran players have hige stacks, instead of making ymens a scarce resource, they should make it more abundant, like they did with PXP, devalue it, so the veterans with huge reserves lose their advantage.

Also this game is called Harem Heroes ( i play on Nutaku), yet how many of you can afford to unlock all stars/ all scenes of each girl you obtain, this should be the main focus/ easiest thing to do in this game, instead of having to go through a hurdle to obtain the girl, then going through an extra hurdle to enjoy their art/ scenes, right now, early/ mid game players are hit by a ymen wall.

 

PS: If there are any veterans that wish to say their opinion on this, since making ymens more abudant will devalue the advantage your reserve gives and if you agree/ disagree/ see a flaw in my suggestion

 

PS2: Thank you for the info, i appreciate that, seems like affection is a huge thing stopping high lvl players on max ranking all the girls, didn`t know that, i thought ymen was the main thing @bolitho76 @Liliat

 

[Best Elements (most useful/ useful/ least useful)]

Hey I`m a returning player from back in 2017 on Nutaku, I see they changed quite a lot especialy these new elements, from what i can see Dominatrix, Eccentric and Physical seem to be the most useful, I was wondering how the others would be rated?