pachinko Great Pachinko x1 statistics

[Horsting]

I feel a little sorry with the GPx1, as all other Pachinkos have their own topic, but this one not. And as I wanted to find out if it is still a good invest compared to buying books and gifts from marked, I did some statistics. Probably others find this interesting as well:

Level	278
EPx1 price	80,900
Club bonus	0.07
Aff	Amount	Market price	Marked price sum	Sell value	Sell value sum
130	32	54,210	1,734,720	5,801	185,632
250	24	104,250	2,502,000	11,155	267,720
370	36	154,290	5,554,440	16,510	594,360
490	23	204,330	4,699,590	21,864	502,872
700	1	291,900	291,900	31,234	31,234
950	3	396,150	1,188,450	42,489	127,467
1,200	0	500,400	0	53,543	0
1,500	1	625,500	625,500	66,929	66,929
Sum	119		16,596,600		1,776,214
XP	Amount	Market price	Marked price sum	Sell value	Sell value sum
180	28	36,050	1,009,400	3,858	108,024
200	16	40,056	640,896	4,287	68,592
250	25	50,070	1,251,750	5,358	133,950
500	23	100,140	2,303,220	10,715	246,445
1,000	3	200,000	600,000	21,401	64,203
1,500	6	300,000	1,800,000	32,100	192,600
2,000	5	400,000	2,000,000	42,801	214,005
2,500	5	500,000	2,500,000	53,501	267,505
Sum	111		12,105,266		1,295,324
Equipment	Amount	Market price	Marked price sum	Sell value	Sell value sum
Epic	127	541,018	68,709,286	57,890	7,352,030
Legendary	128	823,288	105,380,864	88,093	11,275,904
Sum	255		174,090,150		18,627,934
Invest	485				39,236,500
Sell value					21,699,472
Market price					202,792,016
Sell value equipment + market price Aff/XP					47,329,800
Balance					8,093,300
Control					8,093,300

In early game, it was clear: Rolling the GPx1 was cheaper than the cheapest books or gifts you could buy in marked. So even that a share of the drops was epic equipment (which gives always less money when selling than GPx1 price), it was overall totally worth it, and the equipment could be sold on matching contests. And below level 200, resp. with still some legendary equipment, there was also a chance to enhance your characters gear.

After level 200 with mythic items, equipment gets an additional use as upgrade material. However, GPx1 price starts to get more expensive than an increasing amount of the lower book and gift drops. The average rarity (amount of XP/Aff per item) seems to increase, and also the epic vs legendary equipment share becomes better, but one will face streaks of 180-250 book drops which are all increasingly cheaper to buy in marked, making one regret or wonder whether GPx1 is still worth it. On the other hand, as you can see, at level 278 the chance for legendary gear and epic gear is the same, and legendary gear gives you a little more money when selling it, than the price for GPx1.

So at level 278 I did the above statistics over 485 GPx1 rolls:

• If one has either zero use of affection items or books, it is not worth it at this level. Especially books can be bought cheaper in marked, also if you take into account the money you get back by selling the equipment.
• But if you generally can make use of affection items and books, it is about 30% cheaper: Buying the ones I got in marked would have cost ~29M, investing ~39M in GPx1 and selling the equipment for ~19M finally costs you only 20M (roughly).
• If you have mythic gear to level, the value of the equipment drops raises, but being hard to rate: I am personally trying to level all mythic gear to level 20 ASAP (nearly done), but others may be more busy upgrading new girls.
• If there is a "Sell items" contest, then the equipment becomes more valuable as well, again hard to compare to Ymen prices. This is especially true when you are below level 200 or do not have mythic gear yet (to level). I rarely participate these contests currently as I need the material and Ymen (winning the contest means repeating GPx1 => sell => GPx1 rotations => more Ymen finally go into books/gifts) for mythic gear.

Note that I have +7% money club bonus, so get 7% more for selling items. Otherwise it is 10% of the marked price. However, this does not significantly change the overall result that, until this level, usually GPx1 is better than buying books/gifts from marked.

Let me know what you think guys, also how things change on higher levels/in endgame. I read from veterans that they buy all books from marked every 6h restock. So either affection items are not such a need anymore, or GPx1 price raises faster than the average book/gift drop value?

Edited June 18, 2023 by Horsting

[jelom]

Buy all books and gifts in the market if your money income allows it. You will need them.

As your level increases it also does GPx1 price until it is not worth buying them.

[Horsting]

1 hour ago, jelom said:

Buy all books and gifts in the market if your money income allows it. You will need them.

The whole point of my post was to show that this is a waste of money, at least until level 278 😉. But I guess you mean to do this on higher levels. Out of curiosity: What is the market (or selling) price of epic and legendary gear at level 500, and is GPx1 price still a little below legendary gear selling value?

I guess the average value of book/gift drops from GPx1 falls far behind the sell value of equipment drops (and hence GPx1 price) at higher levels?

Edited June 18, 2023 by Horsting

[EpicBacon]

Costs and value for level 500

[Horsting]

Okay, significantly more than 80k. Even the highest legendary book and gift drops do not come close to this, so it would need mythic drops to make it worth it. All understood. I'll keep an eye on this and try to find the breaking point after which GPx1 is a waste of money.

That means levelling mythic gear at level 500 is extremely expensive, isn't it? So it actually makes sense to level it as early as possible when GPx1 costs still a fraction.

[MCP]

As long as you aren't ignoring the permanent PoPs, you'll likely reach a point where you have plenty if GPx10 orbs to get you the equipment you need for mythic equipment upgrades.

[Horsting]

Ah right. Currently they only serve a share of what I need, since I am levelling 3 mythic items in parallel. But when only needed for a better new mythic by times, GP orb drops from PoP and events should be sufficient.

At least now I understand as well why PoP GPx10 orb drops are also the main Ymen source later. With my level and 60/80k for selling gear, it is nothing, but champions serve the millions instead.

[EpicBacon]

1 hour ago, Horsting said:

Ah right. Currently they only serve a share of what I need, since I am levelling 3 mythic items in parallel. But when only needed for a better new mythic by times, GP orb drops from PoP and events should be sufficient.

At least now I understand as well why PoP GPx10 orb drops are also the main Ymen source later. With my level and 60/80k for selling gear, it is nothing, but champions serve the millions instead.

Equipment used to be worth 10 times more, but the great pachincolypse took care of that

[Ravi-Sama]

Here's my GP drops, w/ Zoo's pachinko log, since the last time I cleared my cache.  This thread is more about the value of a GPx1 orb, as the player levels up, but as stated before, the PoP drops GPx10s, which provide the bulk of needed gear, and ymens, at higher player levels.  The GPx1 orbs end up being used for CbC day 1 contests, unless you have excess Ymens, and are desperate for more mythic gear upgrade fodder.

  

[Horsting]

39 minutes ago, Ravi-Sama said:

Here's my GP drops, w/ Zoo's pachinko log

Nice, just installed the plugin for future analysis.

Interesting that in your case legendary gear dropped are so much less than epic ones, while in my case it was 50:50. Significantly more legendary book/gift drops instead, but since they are at least three times cheaper in marked, no point to buy GPx1 for this. So yeah, the marked is a waste on early and mid game, and GP is a waste in endgame 😄.

[Horsting]

Some update with data collected from level 309 - 311:

When I do similar math than in OP, with GPx1 and Aff/GXP market prices and equipment sell values from level 310, then following ratio:

( GPx1 invest - equip sell value ) / ( Aff/GXP market prices )

• GPx1 invest - equip sell value can be seen as net invest, when you sell all the equipment again.
• The gained Aff/GXP market prices can be seen as final value when the alternative is to buy those from market (which is what I want to compare GPx1 with).
• The ratio can then be seen as discounted price of GPx1 compared to market.
• It is the minimal benefit as the real benefit is larger: It massively helps with "sell items" contests and levelling mythic gear.

With this math I get 83.09% or about 17% discount. While hence GPx1 is still beneficial compared to buying Aff/GXP in market, it is lower than in OP (level 278) where I got 72.08% or about 28% discount.

I currently mix GPx1 and marked situational: I need Aff for my first mythic girl, so first of all I empty Aff from the market, then I invest every remaining Ymen into GPx1 . When I need GXP urgently, I'd do the other way round, GXP from market + GPx1. If I do not need any of both urgently, then I buy GPx1 only.

Some projection:

• GPx1 price and equipment sell values are raising equivalent, so those have no effect on the benefit of GPx1 compared to market. Equipment alone, of course, does not make GPx1 worth it, as in average it gives you less Ymen for selling than GPx1 price. The ratio between epic and legendary equipment seems to stay at about 50% for now. Ravi's stats seem to indicate a switch to more epic gear at higher levels, raising the net invest for GPx1.
• While the chance for legendary Aff/GXP items clearly raises with level, this does not happen as fast as the GPx1 price raises. At level 311 GPx1 price is 127.500 Ymen, so still below the cheapest legendary Aff/GXP item and even below the two higher epic Aff items. But already now, all epic books are a net loss.
• Needless to say that at some point even legendary Aff/GXP rewards would have been cheaper in market, at level 500 all of them by far (not to think about >500 currently), so that it becomes impossible for GPx1 to have any net benefit. I'll collect more stats at higher levels, trying to find the turning point 🙂.

Edited July 9, 2023 by Horsting
EPx1 => GPx1

[Ravi-Sama]

4 hours ago, Horsting said:

Needless to say that at some point even legendary Aff/GXP rewards would have been cheaper in market, at level 500 all of them by far (not to think about >500 currently), so that it becomes impossible for EPx1 to have any net benefit. I'll collect more stats at higher levels, trying to find the turning point 🙂.

Basically, you're saying the value of a GPx1 decreases over time, b/c it becomes more expensive than the market's resources.  Makes sense.

If I desperately want more affection/GXP, then I can use stored GPx10s, which are easier to get later on from the PoP.  I rarely buy GP spins w/ ymens, unless it's for a spend ymen task, or a contest, but I don't do those anymore, since they're not worth it.

One thing throwing me off is the use of EPx1s, when I think you meant GPx1s.  EP generally refers to the Epic Pachinko.

[Horsting]

4 minutes ago, Ravi-Sama said:

If I desperately want more affection/GXP, then I can use stored GPX10s, which are easier to get later on from the PoP.

I have all 3 permanent PoPs at level 10, but e.g. now for the last affection upgrade of Yesette, GPx1 allows me to gather the required affection items multiple times faster. From 0 (because I maxed out Selena first) to 225k in about 3 days. Must take 1-2 weeks with PoPs and GPx10 only? I have 59 stored GPx10 orbs collected over the week for tomorrow's CbC. Way less than the >1k GPx1 rolls from yesterday and today, but it should allow me to upgrade Yesette to 6* tomorrow.

11 minutes ago, Ravi-Sama said:

I rarely buy GP spins w/ ymens, unless it's for a spend ymen task, or a contest, but I don't do those anymore, since they're not worth it.

Absolutely, with 1.7M Ymen per roll it is much too expensive to consider. Basically this is a real benefit of being at a lower level: A source for Aff/GXP, limited only by Ymen (which starts to be not an issue anymore, mostly thanks to (club-)champions), otherwise unlimited and overall cheaper than market.

14 minutes ago, Ravi-Sama said:

One thing throwing me off is the use of EPx1s, when I think you meant GPx1s.  EP generally refers to the Epic Pachinko.

No idea why, but I write "EP" when I mean "GP" all the time 😅. Sorry for that, thanks for the hint, I corrected it in my post.

[Ravi-Sama]

2 minutes ago, Horsting said:

I have all 3 permanent PoPs at level 10, but e.g. now for the last affection upgrade of Yesette, GPx1 allows me to gather the required affection items multiple times faster. From 0 (because I maxed out Selena first) to 225k in about 3 days. Must take 1-2 weeks with PoPs and GPx10 only? I have 59 stored GPx10 orbs collected over the week for tomorrow's CbC. Way less than the >1k GPx1 rolls from yesterday and today, but it should allow me to upgrade Yesette to 6* tomorrow.

Which bosses have you unlocked?  There's a few options that I often ignore, but might help you.  These villains drop affection or GXP at their tier 1 stages.

The last option is just using market refreshes to buy more affection/GXP, but I've only done that if I knew it'd help me defeat a pantheon boss, or if the girl was double blessed next week.

[Horsting]

Ah good to know there is an additional Aff/GXP source later. I am at the beginning of Heroes University, so not there yet.

[Horsting]

For the record: I found the breaking point at which GPx1 becomes more expensive than buying GXP and Aff from market to be around player level 330. Already at level 328 I got a small negative balance, now at level 340 it is already more significant with market being 7-8% cheaper.

Of course there are still reasons why one would use GPx1:

• Urgent need for GXP/Aff, as it is a simple unlimited source
• Additional need for equipment for selling contest and/or MG material
• Spare Ymen or PoA goal, as long-term invest for GXP/Aff/selling contests/MG material

As equipment still practically has a higher value than its pure selling price, it might be overall still worth it. But I switched to buying GXP/Aff from market every 6h, and the last selling contests as well as one MG I recently maxed were winnable with only GPx1 and GPx10 orbs, mostly used during CbC day 1, and additionally selling chlorella + jujubes from MPx1, PoPs etc.

So I think, while of course there are circumstances/situational reasons to do otherwise, as a general recommendation/orientation:

• Do not buy GXP/Aff items from marked until level 330, unless you are short in Ymen and need this last Aff item to upgrade your new premium girl for battle teams.
• Do not buy GPx1 from level 330 on, unless you have no better Ymen dump for PoA.

Edited August 7, 2023 by Horsting