Master Holt Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) OK, there has been a significant change to the rewards for bosses and I would like to know if the percentage of rewards is a fair breakdown, please understand when I say fair I am not talking about selling price I don't expect that you should come out ahead of Roko if you sell the affection items I just want to make sure we are not falling behind if you were to buy these items maybe we could figure out what the percentage chance of common, rare, epic and legendary items are at each reward tier. For that we need info and I would really like the help of someone good at math. But first, Info this is my first recorded draw. Edited January 9, 2019 by Master Holt adding a excel sheet with my breakdown so far, if you have any improvements I can make please let me know. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e1kwZ0MJedaI0aIPbGkWVvJni2E_ePZ4Ng_wUFl1vyg/edit?usp=sharing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
test_user Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 You want to make sure you are not falling behind if you were to buy the items? What do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeMTO Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, test_user said: You want to make sure you are not falling behind if you were to buy the items? What do you mean? That the cost of purchasing the affection gifts would be greater than an equivalent cash drop on average. I feel like this might be hard to figure out while people are leveling Karole, as there's a chance drop rates change during the leveling up (at the very least they will when epics/legendaries get added). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
test_user Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, GeorgeMTO said: That the cost of purchasing the affection gifts would be greater than an equivalent cash drop on average. I feel like this might be hard to figure out while people are leveling Karole, as there's a chance drop rates change during the leveling up (at the very least they will when epics/legendaries get added). Oh, I see. Okay, that is pretty hard to calculate right now. Especially considering that drops will change during different level ranges and probably few people fighting against Karole right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blain Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 18 minutes ago, test_user said: and probably few people fighting against Karole right now. Count me among them. As the game is now, I'm not touching that world until Karole drops cash like the other villains. If the game changes and it's a good benefit, then I'll fight Karole. Until then, it's no big loss on my part, except for her 3 girls, but I've got about 30 girls to get in Pachinko anyway...…. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chthugha Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 what I don't get is that you clearly used kobans in exchange for gifts 🤔 you know you can get them for money in the shop, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Holt Posted January 8, 2019 Author Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Chthugha said: what I don't get is that you clearly used kobans in exchange for gifts 🤔 you know you can get them for money in the shop, right? It was past my bed time and I wanted to use my last ten points for the day, also it let me put everything in one picture rather then trying to make a collage of ten different screen shots. 19 hours ago, GeorgeMTO said: I feel like this might be hard to figure out while people are leveling Karole, as there's a chance drop rates change during the leveling up (at the very least they will when epics/legendaries get added). 19 hours ago, test_user said: Oh, I see. Okay, that is pretty hard to calculate right now. Especially considering that drops will change during different level ranges and probably few people fighting against Karole right now. This is one of the reasons I want to start now because I want to see what the breakdown of each tier of rewards is, for example when there is just common and rare (your first 90 levels ) is the breakdown 50% 50%, 30% 70%, 99% 1%, because if we can get a close idea and the reward breakdown is terrible we can complain to the Devs and maybe have it edited. If its great we can show everyone that thinks it is a black hole of resource loss that they can still make money. If it's just fair and average then things will stay like they are some people will be happy some will be angry. I like having more information available to everyone in the community, being able to look up where the community has averaged the drop rate of girls helps me calm down when I hit the 6000th battle for a girl and still haven't gotten anything. I was hoping to have a resource so when someone hits world 11 in a year and doesn't have the Dev notes right there explaining about the boss just dropping items they might see this and grasp what there rate of return might be. Anyway back to what this is about, the rewards. I am trying to figure out how to get a spread sheet in my post that has the breakdown in it I just need to figure out what formulas I put in there. haven't done work with a spread sheet sense HS so any help on where to look for information would be appreciated. This morning I got; Rare flower x 5, Rare Lingerie x 2, Bracelet x 2, Chocolates x 4, and Lingerie x 2 at work I got; Lingerie x 3, Rare Chocolates, Bracelet x 2, Chocolates. Tonight; Flowers x 3, Chocolates x 3, Bracelet x 2, Lingerie x 3, R Flowers x 1, R Chocolates x 1, R Bracelet x 1, R Lingerie x 6. Edited January 9, 2019 by Master Holt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urist Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Master Holt said: I just need to figure out what formulas I put in there. Seems easy enough, put the name of the reward in the first column (leave space for all 16 rewards that are eventually available), its shop price in the 2nd, and the quantity you've gotten in the third. Add up the 2nd and 3rd columns, then the 2nd columns total divided by the 3rd columns total for an average profit per fight. If the average is less than 29,500 you're losing money. 9 hours ago, Master Holt said: ... for example when there is just common and rare (your first 90 levels ) is the breakdown 50% 50%, 30% 70%, 99% 1%, ... But does it change as she levels up? Even though epic and legendary are still unavailable, are the odds of a rare at level 140 higher than they are at level 130? Edited January 9, 2019 by Urist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_shal_ Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Urist said: Add up the 2nd and 3rd columns, then the 2nd columns total divided by the 3rd columns total for an average profit per fight. If the average is less than 29,500 you're losing money. Comparing the (implied) payout from an unlevelled Karole to a maxed Roko makes no sense. Battling a new villain has always resulted in temporarily lowered income. There have always been only two options for that, one either accepts it or one doesn't. If anything, the gift drops need to be compared to the payouts Karole would be providing if she were a regular money villain, i.e. starting at ¥13,500. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpinelesS Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) I personally am not a huge fan of getting affection instead of cash, especially the lower level affection items. All of my girls have their affection maxed out (except for a Levitya who I haven't bothered to pay for her 4th upgrade...) and I have a stash of affection items for when I get a new girl. I would really prefer cash, or books (even though I buy out the store every reset, my girls are slow to level up) Edited January 9, 2019 by SpinelesS 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chthugha Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 You could read the patch notes about that 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khorrum Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) I had started a spreadsheet for my drops from Karole. Here is what I have gotten so far along with the cost to buy and sell those items. Not posting the actual spread sheet as it is currently a mess but I plan to separate out drops by the level ranges that were posted in the patch notes as to when new items are added by level. Edited January 9, 2019 by Khorrum Original screenshot didn't include the items 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[CNO] BananaJoy Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 On 1/8/2019 at 4:13 AM, Master Holt said: OK, there has been a significant change to the rewards for bosses and I would like to know if the percentage of rewards is a fair breakdown, please understand when I say fair I am not talking about selling price I don't expect that you should come out ahead of Roko if you sell the affection items I just want to make sure we are not falling behind if you were to buy these items maybe we could figure out what the percentage chance of common, rare, epic and legendary items are at each reward tier. For that we need info and I would really like the help of someone good at math. But first, Info this is my first recorded draw. posted screens already a week ago. why r u surprised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Holt Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 13 hours ago, Khorrum said: I had started a spreadsheet for my drops from Karole. Here is what I have gotten so far along with the cost to buy and sell those items. Not posting the actual spread sheet as it is currently a mess but I plan to separate out drops by the level ranges that were posted in the patch notes as to when new items are added by level. Thanks for your information I added it to my spreadsheet and now it looks like this. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e1kwZ0MJedaI0aIPbGkWVvJni2E_ePZ4Ng_wUFl1vyg/edit?usp=sharing I have it so if I change Karole's level it updates how much of an expected cash reward each item is. So like it shows in the picture getting a Rare Lingerie is equivalent to winning almost three times, but you wouldn't even get half of a cash reward if you sell the item. If you keep me updated with your info I will keep the spreadsheet updated. or if you want to edit it yourself I can give you permission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Holt Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, BananaJoy said: posted screens already a week ago. why r u surprised? Well, I only really started paying attention to the forums this week. before that I was a rare lurker (Napa voice: Vagita, he's a Rare Pokemon, I'm gonna catch it) If you would point me to where these screen shots of what you have received are I will add that to the spread sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khorrum Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Here is a link to my spreadsheet. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iafE39jhYyygbEP2onYMdFH5VdfZkweMoVNbhW4iFxo/edit?usp=sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpanda Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 I was surprised more people aren't complaining about this. I suspect either it maths out ok, not many people are this far (this would surprise me, tho I just got there myself today) or people play the game different than me. Ah well, game on. For now, I am mixing my battles with Roko Sensei while I level her to get a mix of rep and cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantrix Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 On 1/12/2019 at 7:09 AM, jpanda said: I was surprised more people aren't complaining about this. I suspect either it maths out ok, not many people are this far (this would surprise me, tho I just got there myself today) or people play the game different than me. Ah well, game on. For now, I am mixing my battles with Roko Sensei while I level her to get a mix of rep and cash. Probably the later one, i myself just reached the new world this morning, and i am not missing a progress in the story- mind you. Fighting Grunt and Donatien during events and switching to Karole when there are none, the future looks grim. I guess i should skip Karole until i max out all my girls first, her girls aren't going to disappear as yhey aren't time limited, but still leaves a bitter taste... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khorrum Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 New event started and they added purple drops to Karole. I already got the girls from this event last year so will probably continue to fight Karole and add the results to my spreadsheet. If I get any of the event items I will probably track them in a different spot but not include them in any of the formulas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[CNO] BananaJoy Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 purple items r from the event itself. nothing to do with the regular drops of that world. if u play already over a year u should have known that none event bosses gives legendary gifts (with a very very veeeeeeeeeeery low drop chance) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khorrum Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 yes, I do understand that. Those drops won't be figured into any of my formulas. Was just musing on if i would keep track or not. altho, it does beg the question, If you have leveled Karole high enough for her to naturally drop the purple items, how might they include the extra purples from the event? Increase the drop rate or perhaps 2 different drop rates, one for the normal purples and a second for the event purples? If I am still tracking at that point will probably just not farm Karole so as not to skew things as I won't know if a drop is natural or because of the event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damoncord Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Stupid purple gifts from the event trolled me today. I saw the shadow and silver ball and was thinking I finally got one of her girls only to see a damned purple flower. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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