Gender change event desired

[Drackomut]

Hello,
lately you hear so much about gender change and everything that has to do with it.
Wouldn't there be an event on this topic?
I have here a possible anime list where you can parody characters:

Ranma ½
Ouran High School Host Club
She Professed Herself Pupil of the Wise Man
Fighter
Himegoto
The Ambition of Oda Nobuna
Mayo Chiki
Kenka Bancho Otome: Girl Beats Boys
Maria Holic
Kashimashi
Gonna Be The Twin Tail
Otoboku: Maidens are Falling for Me
princess princess
Birdy the Mighty: Decode
cheeky angel
Simoun
Magical Girl Ore
Kokoro Connect
I My Me! Strawberry Eggs
Yamada-kun and the Seven Witches
Aoharu X Machine Gun
Life With an Ordinary Guy Who Reincarnated Into a Total Fantasy Knockout
Back Street Girls
Onimai: I'm Now Your Sister!
Reborn to Master the Blade: From Hero-King to Extraordinary Squire
Ayakashi Triangle
Wandering Sun

I also had an idea how the main character becomes a girl:
1. he looks into a magic mirror where the reflection shows him as a girl, the reflection materializes in the real world and they have sex.
2. A girl with the ability to swap bodies, swap stretching bodies with the protagonist.

That would be all what is your opinion on the tehmer.

[Liliat]

I think one of the daily missions mentions a "sex changing pill"? So maybe it was the theme of a past event, or scene with a girl? (Or it's just a random mission, unrelated to any event )

[lepidocter]

5 hours ago, Drackomut said:

lately you hear so much about gender change and everything that has to do with it.

Lately = 50 years. It's "lately" on your community or by the fact you finally accessed hentai universe. Ribon no kishi, 1957, Osamu Tezuka, featured a girl faking his sex and the whole romantic plot suggested a transexual trend.

1997, X-Change, a eroge serie all based on sex change. Just two examples. But if you go DLSite, it's practically full of genderswap.

Gender change in eroge is a kinky object. To be honest, it feel to me in the same range of scat or guro, it's very niche and you need a peculiar sexual taste that's not so wide spread.

The game suppose "Lep" is my alter ego, and get drilled by male shafts is definitely the ultimate and 100% gay thing. I don't wanna see it, you have GayHarem for that.

[Yamiray]

4 hours ago, Liliat said:

I think one of the daily missions mentions a "sex changing pill"? So maybe it was the theme of a past event, or scene with a girl? (Or it's just a random mission, unrelated to any event )

"Try the Sex Changing Pill", is a random mission that can happen at anytime. its not connected to any event. "Help organizing a hen party" is another random that also has the sex changing pills

[Liliat]

Il y a 6 heures, Yamiray a dit :

"Try the Sex Changing Pill", is a random mission that can happen at anytime. its not connected to any event

Yeah I know, but I feel some of these daily random missions have been written in relation to past events (or things happening in past events/specific girl scenes). Although I'm not sure a single mission has been added after I started the game, so I can't really say for sure how they were initially created (in which context)

[DvDivXXX]

9 hours ago, lepidocter said:

Gender change in eroge is a kinky object. To be honest, it feel to me in the same range of scat or guro, it's very niche and you need a peculiar sexual taste that's not so wide spread.

The game suppose "Lep" is my alter ego, and get drilled by male shafts is definitely the ultimate and 100% gay thing. I don't wanna see it, you have GayHarem for that.

Yuck, dude. What did I tell you about speaking about serious things you don't know or understand? 

Gay men like men. Not all men who like to have their prostate stimulated during sex like men (and in fact not all gay men like to have their prostate stimulated either). "There's GH for that" is a very stupid and ignorant thing to say to people who enjoy less vanilla sexual kinks that happen to involve the male ass. Getting pegged or fingered by a woman does not magically make you attracted to men. Being attracted to trans women has nothing to do with being attracted to men either. And even being into some bisexual male fantasies doesn't necessarily equate being attracted to men, let alone solely attracted to men. All of the above is valid and doesn't need to be misunderstood, judged, frowned upon or mocked, which making the blatantly clueless amalgam between two or more of them definitely does.

And futanari in particular is a million times more widespread than scat or guro as a fetish and porn/hentai niche, FYI.

14 hours ago, Drackomut said:

Ranma ½

I loved that anime (and manga) so much as a kid (and I had fantasies about the titular character and a few more). I'd love to see a parody of that in HH, but only if it's done tastefully and respectfully. Which would mean crossing a few lines that a majority of this game's player base might wield their pitchforks over, unfortunately.

[Rylarth]

100% agree a kink about a dude getting turned into a girl and getting fucked senseless is not the same as necrophilia or scat

[Dick Doug]

As we are sharing opinions, I am not at all interested in participating in—let alone celebrating—the recent fad of glorifying the trans-movement.  I am not opposed to a quest that includes something like the "sex changing pill" daily mission, as mentioned by @Liliat, but only as a fun/kinky side quest—NOT for the purpose of being woke or virtue-signaling.  I appreciate that the protagonist of Hentai Heroes is repelled by male-on-male sex.  (Though I have gotten only as far as The Fairy Village quest within the Magic Forest, so as far as I know, there's a big homosexual world waiting for me down the road, though I seriously hope not.)

Edited February 10, 2023 by Dick Doug

[DvDivXXX]

4 hours ago, Dick Doug said:

As we are sharing opinions, I am not at all interested in participating in—let alone celebrating—the recent fad of glorifying the trans-movement.

You've edited it for the slightly better since then, but this is still borderline hate speech. The trans "movement"? What "movement" are you even talking about? Isn't this little more than a "sneaky" way to say "trans people" and/or "the trans community"? Sure sounds a lot like it from here, especially when you follow it up with shockingly ignorant and intolerant amalgams between a whole spectrum of people types and sexual practices you don't (want to) understand let alone respect.

4 hours ago, Dick Doug said:

NOT for the purpose of being woke or virtue-signaling. 

I have yet to see this term come from anywhere but witch-hunt discourse against various minorities and/or the increased visibility of their existence and  protests about discrimination against them. In context with the rest of your post, this is near impossible not to read it as such.

5 hours ago, Dick Doug said:

Though I have gotten only as far as The Fairy Village quest within the Magic Forest

Then you're in for a treat fairly soon.  But no, it won't be gay content. Neither is trans content gay. And another thing:

5 hours ago, Dick Doug said:

I appreciate that the protagonist of Hentai Heroes is repelled by male-on-male sex.

We actually don't know that. We do know however that the former main author main character is very insecure about the bottom part of the male body, and this has even been used as a running gag in the story, at the expense of people who have slightly different, less anal-retentive tastes. There has yet to be any "male-on-male sex" for the hero to react to, however. No, instead he's afraid and highly dismissive of a woman playing with his ass in almost any way as part of their heterosexual interactions, very sadly.

If you can't tell the difference between this and gay sex, and/or with trans people or trans people having sex... That's not "an opinion". It's bigotry and intolerance. And this is neither condoned nor tolerated on this here forum. So be warned, and tread carefully when speaking of things and especially people you're afraid might taint your macho man insecurities, please.

Yeah, I'm in on the conspiracy of treating every human being as a human being, and every sexual orientation, kink or fetish (between consenting adults) as valid and not fine to mock or undermine just because you don't share them. You've got me. ^^

[Dick Doug]

@DvDivXXX, wow that escalated quickly.  I stand by my statements, as I was merely sharing my opinion, with which you and every one else are free to disagree.  BTW, the only edit that I made was to correct a typo: I changed "Hentai Hero" to "Hentai Heroes."

[DvDivXXX]

On 2/11/2023 at 5:01 AM, Dick Doug said:

@DvDivXXX, wow that escalated quickly.  I stand by my statements, as I was merely sharing my opinion, with which you and every one else are free to disagree.  BTW, the only edit that I made was to correct a typo: I changed "Hentai Hero" to "Hentai Heroes."

As two moderators have now told you clearly, you're not fooling anyone. We can't change your "opinion" and make you more tolerant of other people. However, we can and will keep you from spreading hate speech here, which your "opinion" of gay, trans and femdom-friendly people boils down to. You've been warned (twice now). Please do take the hint.

Have a nice weekend.

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@Dick Doug

1. Visit your own forum profile page and you'll see actual warnings you've received from moderators. I thought you had at least noticed that before sending a Report to complain about my warning... But you were apparently whining just about my public posts?Impressive. Edit: Hmm, but you tried to post a screenshot of my first warning, so you do know where to look? And you didn't see the second one by FinderKeeper? Or the new one from me again today?...
    
2. You've got two warnings, the first from yours truly and the other from my fellow moderator who handled your report against me. Only you and mods can see those, they're private. Edit: Three now. The kind of shit you tried to post today makes your case even worse, and you get one temp ban this once. Next ban will be permanent if you persist.
    
3. Both of your recent post proposals have been denied, and if you insist further in that direction, you'll no longer be welcomed on this forum at all. So, Mister Innocent Victim of Unfair Censorship... you think you're "opposing political agendas that seek to tear down the foundations of Western culture. " by being a dick to LGBT folks? And you're the type of wanker to make such pathetic arguments as "The genuinely tolerant would be willing to hear opposing views"? to whine about us not tolerating your intolerance? *facepalm* Shove that barely veiled homophobic white supremacist propaganda back where it belongs, kiddo. That is in your ass, yes.

Good bye now.

Edited February 14, 2023 by DvDivXXX
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[OmerB]

Can I say that I don't want to watch man-on-man activity?

I'm in favour of human rights, and people doing what they want as long as they are not physically hurting anyone else. Any consensual act between adults is fine by me, but I don't like to watch men kissing each other and making love.

It's my problem. I'm in favour of people to do what they want with whom they want to, I just don't like to watch it.

I'd also not like to imagine things entering my ass, and I would not like seeing things entering another guy's, even implicitly. Maybe I'm just ass-sensitive, but that's how I am right now.

Edited February 14, 2023 by OmerB

[DvDivXXX]

Go home, Omer. You drunk! (Old meme but I'm tired and off to bed). You know I don't like the WTF emote very much and I'm sure you're not really in the know of what happened with the other dude before your latest post. Better leave it at that for now.

[Drackomut]

I have a suggestion for a possible story:
A dungeon the dehn hero in a woman transforms into a woman like :"https://dungeon.gender.tf/"
a kind of story shouldn't be a problem when the hero ends up being a man.
in addition, one could explain some of the characters' stories.
I overheard my second research somewhere, which should be a story for stretching pleasure: one travels into the past and meets in gals fru and then have sex together. who also an alternative.

[Duo]

On 2/14/2023 at 2:50 PM, OmerB said:

Can I say that I don't want to watch man-on-man activity?

I'm in favour of human rights, and people doing what they want as long as they are not physically hurting anyone else. Any consensual act between adults is fine by me, but I don't like to watch men kissing each other and making love.

It's my problem. I'm in favour of people to do what they want with whom they want to, I just don't like to watch it.

I'd also not like to imagine things entering my ass, and I would not like seeing things entering another guy's, even implicitly. Maybe I'm just ass-sensitive, but that's how I am right now.

I'm with OmerB on this one. While I have no love for the seeming push in society to shove transgenderism in everyone's face to, apparently, desensitize/normalize everyone to it, I don't go out of my way to look for it, nor do I attempt to keep people from enjoying what they feel, how they feel or what they do to feel it. We all have our own kinks and how far we are willing to pursue sexual pleasure or deal with our personal insecurities (lord knows I have enough of my own to deal with).  That being said, the main protagonist is a nerd, and from the nerd standpoint, from which I share, there are many insecurities surrounding the male body that the toxic masculinity of his original world would play a huge part in creating. The story writers really haven't gotten to exploring ways to SLOWLY (cause that's how it'll have to happen if they want to keep any sense of reality in the process) opening him up to experimentation and breaking down some of those barriers. Now, with that being said, I really do think that the vanilla storyline shouldn't be the place to do this and it should be kept as docile as "standard" porn and any experimentation should be done in side quests or other storylines/worlds like GH.

My $0.02 and you can flame me or moderate me all you want.

[DvDivXXX]

20 hours ago, Duo said:

My $0.02 and you can flame me or moderate me all you want.

In hindsight, was it worth necroing this thread after it had been inactive for a month, further to being heavily derailed by people who basically feel threatened by the mere existence of this suggestion, and decided to make it about their male insecurities and how intolerant they are?

I don't think so.

The TL;DR of your necrobump is weirdly schizophrenic, though. The bulk of it is as out of place as previous derailments of this thread...

20 hours ago, Duo said:

I'm with OmerB on this one. While I have no love for the seeming push in society to shove transgenderism in everyone's face to, apparently, desensitize/normalize everyone to it, I don't go out of my way to look for it, nor do I attempt to keep people from enjoying what they feel, how they feel or what they do to feel it. We all have our own kinks and how far we are willing to pursue sexual pleasure or deal with our personal insecurities (lord knows I have enough of my own to deal with). 

= I'm not exactly homophobic or transphobic, but I'm very attached to my straight vanilla worldview and I'd appreciate it if people who don't fit in that could remain out of my sight.

20 hours ago, Duo said:

Now, with that being said, I really do think that the vanilla storyline shouldn't be the place to do this and it should be kept as docile as "standard" porn and any experimentation should be done in side quests or other storylines/worlds like GH.

= And, this goes without saying, out of my "straight" vanilla game too, lolilol. "You have GH for that" cliché added at the end for good measure... V_v

....BUT in between these two you wrote a paragraph where you actually seem to give serious thought to the game's storyline(s), characters and writing, and examine how less vanilla stuff could or should make its way into it. That part is actually interesting!

20 hours ago, Duo said:

That being said, the main protagonist is a nerd, and from the nerd standpoint, from which I share, there are many insecurities surrounding the male body that the toxic masculinity of his original world would play a huge part in creating. The story writers really haven't gotten to exploring ways to SLOWLY (cause that's how it'll have to happen if they want to keep any sense of reality in the process) opening him up to experimentation and breaking down some of those barriers.

I mostly agree with this, but it's too incomplete to make sense on its own. The larger picture includes the fact that the Haremverse started out as "mainstream porn tailored for average straight male fantasies made into a universe". And this included tons of problems if you think about how that world is built and how it can make sense over time. Which let's be honest isn't at all how this has been written. It started out as a Frankenstein monster of porn parodies and pastiche with tons of different elements meshed together and not much worldbuilding or serious long-term story considerations. It evolved a lot in many different directions over the years, though. By now, our MC is a far cry from the geek cliché he was initially supposed to represent. He stands for tolerance and all kinds of things that he had at best no opinion about in the early days (and at worst great prejudice against for no apparent reason, story wise).

The fact that all female characters have to be bisexual by default, and also they have to love semen and all sorts of stuff that many people like to watch but not many people actually like to do, even when they're paid good money to do it on camera... The way the entire lore is wrapped around not just the male gaze and your average straight white dude's ideas on sexuality and people, but even more specifically wrapped around the one male character in particular, who is an empty shell and a placeholder for both the writers and players... Well, that makes very little sense. It wasn't made this way to make sense, either. It was made this way to cater to the main perceived target audience, and a lot of the insecurities and prejudice that made it into the story also came directly from the former main writer, consciously or not.

So why would catering to the fairly large part of the audience who is into less vanilla or just different kinks than the original writers require way more effort to make it credible from a story standpoint? Because that would make it more difficult and less likely to happen? There's room for many different things in this game. It's not strictly vanilla per se, after all: there are kinks and fetishes that not everybody shares or even likes that are still very common in this game (foot fetish, bukkake, male over female domination, bondage or at least ropes, sometimes whips and stuff). It's not that hard to ignore content you dislike and focus on enjoying the content you do like. If the hero turns into a woman and experiences sex from a different angle for one story, or takes a finger in the ass again, or actually has sex with the one kinda futanari character we've had etc. it won't take away the other stuff he's doing that you like. You'll live. No one is asking for this game to completely change and become an all-out femdom bisexual male fest. Just to include a few more fantasies here and there.

Anyways. If this thread is to get another chance, it would be nice if it stayed on topic for a change.

[OmerB]

On 3/26/2023 at 6:47 PM, Duo said:

I'm with OmerB on this one.... While I have no love for the seeming push in society to shove transgenderism in everyone's face to, apparently, desensitize/normalize everyone to it...

I'm not with you, as I will never bash Trans people or people from any gender just because of that.

I may not like watching some sexual acts, but I will stand firmly and fight for the right of anyone to be whom they want.

 

[Rylarth]

Gender Change event kinda achieved with the sexy jutsu Torneda/ female Naruto Uzumaki would also like to point out some missconseptions people have when most people talk about it for it to actually count as a Gender change the character in question actually have to transform into another gender Male>Female Female>Male so tecnically speaking a dude turning into another dude is actually not even going through a gender Change🤔 enjoy this sexy jutsu in action made by Aroma Sensei😉

Edited April 14, 2023 by Rylarth

[Dramut]

I see it that if someone turns into a woman and then has sex with a man, that shouldn't be considered gay because he's a woman in the long run.

And for the story it doesn't have to be like an assimilation sin of the mind, it wouldn't even be a temporary curse that would make it too, plus it might have parodied a few well-known personalities.

[Master-17]

3 hours ago, Dramut said:

if someone turns into a woman

Isn't that "someone" a transgender and shouldn't it be in the game TransPornStarHarem (Or what it's originally called)?

[DvDivXXX]

1. That depends on their mindset at the time and the circumstances. Typically a "gender change event" in rule34 is something temporary and light. Like all the fan art with female versions of popular male superheroes, sometimes pushing the switch one step further by having them paired up with male versions of popular female characters. This concept has more to do with characters making an experiment to feel things (sex) from the other gender's perspective. That's basically the exact premise of the "sex change pill" daily mission little story we already have in HH, for instance. It has more to do with empathy, curiosity and experience than with changing one's gender identity.
    
2. If they made a game clone of HH like say "Futanari Harem", with drawn art, I'd be all over it. Unfortunately, the Trans game they released recently is using stock porn photographs instead, and follows in PSH's footsteps rather than HH. I have no interest in that. But either way, a fully male character turning into a fully female one (physically) for one event wouldn't match the transgender porn niche. It would resemble things that do happen in real life, but only on the surface. Trans porn is typically interested in the "between two worlds" phase, though. A woman with a dick, most typically. The suggestion this thread was originally about is pretty far removed from that. Visually, you'd still only see heterosexual action. It would just be a mind game of sort (or experiment, again) that would differentiate it from typical HH content.
    
3. We already had characters and story bits that touched upon things much less vanilla than that in HH itself, although it never went far enough to make a dent. A character like Iena who is technically a hermaphrodite but rather the hentai fetish version where it's 100% a girl except that she has an extra set of genitals (which in her case was even retractable like Wolverine's claws, so she could appear as a regular cis woman or as a futa at will). Unfortunately, they didn't really experiment with her in any meaningful way. Her dick was only used by female characters while male characters interacted solely with the rest of her (female) body. But still, this took place in HH and that was fine. Imagine they had another HH reskin focused on BDSM (or bondage at least): would you then suggest they transfer the metric tons of bondage content we already have in HH to that game? Is there a silent "V for Vanilla" from your perspective when you experience HH? Vanilla Hentai Heroes? Because that's not really the point or the tradition of hentai in general or HH itself, imho.

[Dramut]

if it's a problem with people or you're not sure if people care, I had an idea:
You can do story and character on the Test Sever and then see how people react to it.
e.g. A story in Dehn side quests that ends with a man who turns into a woman with 5 or 6 stars.
or a sorry where the protagonist meets his female reflection.

[DvDivXXX]

On 5/18/2023 at 11:57 PM, Dramut said:

You can do story and character on the Test Sever and then see how people react to it.

I love your enthusiasm. Unfortunately, this would be borderline unrealistic even for a company who uses their test server extensively. That's a lot of work for nothing if they make new content that doesn't make it into the game proper, especially the art, and on top of that if it does make it into the game, then it's spoiled by already seeing it on the test server.

Kinkoid hardly uses their test server even to test proposed technical or UI changes. Only very occasionally do we see anything relevant on it, as is currently the case with the upcoming nightmare that is Mythic Girl Equipment. So they're even less likely to test the waters for new art, character or stories (this would be more of an "early access" or "beta" thing than a test server thing, to be fair: a test server's main purpose is to act as a sandbox to foresee and fix bugs or gameplay issues before changing mechanical or interface things, not to preview main content).

[Drackomut]

Can't you just make a sketch of a picture story?

[DvDivXXX]

That's already half the work. It requires most if not all of the writing (maybe barring finalized dialogue) plus what they call "drafts" (more commonly called "layouts", "sketches" or "storyboards" outside of Kinkoid) for every step of the story. Plus this wouldn't be very good to (pre-)publish as only those of us with a trained eye for such early stages of the work would understand what we're looking at, while the vast majority of casuals in terms of assessing and even identifying art (or artists) would almost certainly find the content "bad" instead of "unfinished".

Seems like a lose-lose scenario to me.

Edit: More context.

Spoiler

Using the other art form I'm well-versed in for comparison again, as it's very common and might be more immediately apparent: music. If I play just the base structure of a piece of music I've composed using just one acoustic instrument to someone who isn't a musician, arranger or composer themselves, they'll only perceive and judge the whole piece as if it were exactly what they hear. Happened to me quite a few times. The general public isn't capable of imagining or projecting what they hear even given the context. Typically including something as "simple" and "obvious" to me as "bear in mind I'm playing you this on an acoustic guitar, but it's really meant to be played on an electric guitar, with distortion and a full band behind it". As a result, casual listeners perceive my metal riffs and solos as "flamenco" or "folk" to them, and some even appreciate them as such. Just because they can't "add the distortion" in their heads (let alone any other instrument or arrangement, even if described precisely). Fellow musicians typically can, but that's a very small part of the potential audience for the finished piece.

I've seen players genuinely ask if a finished drawing is Ben's or Venus', despite the super obvious differences in styles and both of them having practically unmistakable idiosyncrasies that scream their name to my eyes when I'm looking at their respective works. I strongly doubt they'd be able to appreciate a rough sketch version aside from "feeling it's missing something".

 

Edited May 31, 2023 by DvDivXXX
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