Change is not always good

[Nimrod]

I ´ve been playing the game for a long time now and change is welcome most of the time but sometimes feels like the changes don´t take into account that old players  know things you used to be able to get or do and what things make old players like myself keep playing the game. The problem is that more and more the changes make less sense to de overall gameplay. 

So here are the issues...

1 - Bosses: Didn´t have tiers but what they had was increasing money(still have that) and they had a chance for gifts or books depending on wich boss. You added legendary gifts and books chance great!, then the orbs mythic and legendary great! you took them out not great!. Now you have tiers on the bosses  and when there´s no event going for special drops you get money and champion tickets I have a ton of booth. So why not make it like it was or 2nd or 3rd tier at least? I´m on tier 2 on the ninja sacred lands(doing the bosses tiers in order got all the tier 2 girls now getting all tier3 only 3 girls left) just getting money I don´t need and tickets that give nothing worth using them for except for the last event of the month where you have to fight the champions and the contests. since I don´t use them on the champions cause I get kisses more money and one random equipment that I sell again more money I can´t spend them that fast. 

2- Events with quests:  It used to be 15 or 19 quests but you only needed 12/15 or something like that to get the girl. Now if you miss a day you have no chance of getting the girl specially the last day (happend to me twice) even my character´s dick can have a day of. One of those times I forgot to collect the last quest before the reset so why no make it autocollect on reset? or just leave the quest there and I´ll collect it like I do every time I forget the next day and still get the girl, the second time I was out with no internet on a lake it was a great day but didn´t get the girl.

There was another tipe of event that gave you equipment as a reward no idea what happend to that one but usefull for new players.

3_ League: The league was fine all you needed to do was give something to the first 10/15 places, it´s 100 players most of the time  like in every sport or game you have winners and loosers, you don´t get a participation trophy like a five year old child the idea in every competition is to finish 1st not 75th. 

why can´t I see the finished league scores after the reset? I want to know by how much I lost and against who too. I was first place last night by alot today I finished third How?    If I can´t see how I lost the result feels kinda dodgy .Sometimes I coud see behind the claim reward but it was rare. Just set the button where the timer sits to claim the reward and let me check the results first.  

It was interesting trying to win the league and dropping to a lower league cause the levels were too Hi to win the upper leagues and winning the league was worth the efford cause you got a nice koban reward now you get less than half but to win and finish all the fights you invest kobans on boosters and refills to do all the fights and get the best score.

Every time I played the league I´m missing 25 players worth of refills more or less to finish it, so lets do the math here, you have 25 players to refill and 3 boosters per day for maximum efford 90kb just legendary boosters not adding the 540kb of the new booster so 189x5 refills+(90x3)x7 boosters =2835 Kobans and that doesn´t guarantees first place so lets say  best case you finish 1st in Dick1 that´s 2820-2835= -15 lost, now you finish 2nd 1860-2835 you lost -970kb. Now Dick2 alot more competitive but the reward for 1st now is 4512- 2835=1677kb  but finish 2nd and win 141kb.  Add 3 of the new boosters Mastery`s emblem( very masterfull there if you need the same thing for 2 diferent kind of fights season/league) and only play league not even Dick3 is worth playing anymore. I think you get the point.

The old rewards were like the new ones  after you recover what you lost trying to win the league. You spend kobans to win and until recent you had 1 more booster so 630kb more to add to 2835 from before that´s 3465kb with the old boosters and  4455kb with 3 mastery emblems. It is unlikely that you never refill so my estimate is fair so make it make sense.  

Did anyone do the math before making the changes? so the boosters are not worth buying or using cause you loose kbs and the refills to finish the league not worth doing anymore.    

What you needed to do was make it more even by putting players with similar levels, this past league I was fighting players with 100 level+ diference that´s alot of stats in my favor no chance they can win like that same goes for me when I go to Dick 3 with players with 100 levels in their favor. If I´m top level in the league I have more stats more girls and more levels on the girls. Another thing is that you can´t see the boosts or buffs on the other players wich makes adjusting your buffs less important.

I´m on dick 2 this week I´ll play with no boosters and see how hard is to get top 10, I´m lvl468 have a player 494 that´s  26 levels of stats and in dick3 is even more.  

4- Season: not much to do with kisses when you finish the last normal level, jumps from 200mojo per level to 2000mojo really? 12000mojo to get to the last girl to 32000 to get the last level hahaha and is the same rewards over and over since it started I finish all the important levels in 20 days give or take. It´s ok again you can miss a day, but the ones that do all the things and can do more levels need the incentive to do so.

5- Champions: great when they came out something else to do in the game and a way to use the energy ones you complete the quests but now is not worth playing takes a long time to defeat a champion and the biggest reward is kisses really? I have over 4000 tickets that tells you something.

6- Places of power: again great idea  to get girl over time and 6 for the rest nice but the ones with the gift, books and boosters you added last  took the old ones away just add 3 more o get one of each or something. Those helped alot in the legendary contest.

7- Legendary contest: so 4 days you need to finish 25th or up, miss a day you are fucked finish 26th you are fucked again. And this girls never apeared again. 

8- Letters for shards: I think this was the most clever way of getting old girls or finish a girl that was at 95% the not so clever part was you only get letters in one event a month just leave the letters, no one was going to get a mithyc girl with that for long time and again good way to get the girls you never finished. Even the legendary contest girls was a good solution for that. 

9- Daily rewards: Kinda new but why can´t I collect the reward latter, all I have to do is login but if i don´t collect each day I don´t get the next one? took me a while to notice that one. Make it easy you get a set reward for each day and collect them when you want the days you don´t login you don´t get one easy.

10- Boosters: Why take the forth slot away? we have 4 diferent boosters so 4 slots makes sense now with the new boosters 3 new slots(sorry 2 since you took one of the old ones) for what? most of the new boosters are worthless, nothing change I count only 2 of this mega boosters worth buying with the changes in the league this week that goes down to only 1 the perfume.

Sandalwood perfume: usefull to get the girls specially the mithyc

All mastery´s emblem: usefull for the league no idea why it´s mixed with the season fights just to waste charges  make one for each stop mixing things. In season fights you   don´t need viagra    

Headband of determination: never needed that just levels/stats and  add girls to the mix and you are good to go and I´m guessing a new player doesn´t need that either since those are blocked till lvl200.

Luxurius watch: I have tickets 4000+ tickets and it depends on the girls/positions and level they have also not worth the efford since I have all the champion girls, maybe for a new player but I´m guessing by the time he gets the levels needed  he´ll have alot of tickets and girls with level too.

Combative cinnamon: again not needed since you have the option to change oponents much cheaper and the oponets are more or less on your level.

Alban´s travel memories:  places of power for one you need to get the girls first level them up by the time you get them you don´t need this.    

11- Making a team: Why Why WHY? this is not a new problem ever since I started playing the game I always wonder why the information was all in different tabs.

All the info you need is in the Harem but when you are making the team you don´t use the harem (make it make sense) you go to the tower or the season to do that but there is no info of the girl there like hair color, eyes and position. At least now the game  arrenges  the girls so you get the best ones but it takes the fun out of making the team and really doing the work to win win fights. Why not make the harem not display the full body of the girl and in that put the seven slots for the team, you have the girls on the left the info on the right and the team in the middle 

 

 

 

[Bomba]

This is a really good post that talks about a lot of recent changes. I agree with nearly everything here, but I have few words to add.

12 hours ago, Nimrod said:

3_ League: The league was fine all you needed to do was give something to the first 10/15 places, it´s 100 players most of the time  like in every sport or game you have winners and loosers, you don´t get a participation trophy like a five year old child the idea in every competition is to finish 1st not 75th. 

why can´t I see the finished league scores after the reset? I want to know by how much I lost and against who too. I was first place last night by alot today I finished third How?    If I can´t see how I lost the result feels kinda dodgy .Sometimes I coud see behind the claim reward but it was rare. Just set the button where the timer sits to claim the reward and let me check the results first.  

It was interesting trying to win the league and dropping to a lower league cause the levels were too Hi to win the upper leagues and winning the league was worth the efford cause you got a nice koban reward now you get less than half but to win and finish all the fights you invest kobans on boosters and refills to do all the fights and get the best score.

Every time I played the league I´m missing 25 players worth of refills more or less to finish it, so lets do the math here, you have 25 players to refill and 3 boosters per day for maximum efford 90kb just legendary boosters not adding the 540kb of the new booster so 189x5 refills+(90x3)x7 boosters =2835 Kobans and that doesn´t guarantees first place so lets say  best case you finish 1st in Dick1 that´s 2820-2835= -15 lost, now you finish 2nd 1860-2835 you lost -970kb. Now Dick2 alot more competitive but the reward for 1st now is 4512- 2835=1677kb  but finish 2nd and win 141kb.  Add 3 of the new boosters Mastery`s emblem( very masterfull there if you need the same thing for 2 diferent kind of fights season/league) and only play league not even Dick3 is worth playing anymore. I think you get the point.

The old rewards were like the new ones  after you recover what you lost trying to win the league. You spend kobans to win and until recent you had 1 more booster so 630kb more to add to 2835 from before that´s 3465kb with the old boosters and  4455kb with 3 mastery emblems. It is unlikely that you never refill so my estimate is fair so make it make sense.  

Did anyone do the math before making the changes? so the boosters are not worth buying or using cause you loose kbs and the refills to finish the league not worth doing anymore. 

I agree that rewards for League aren't cool anymore and mostly for the same reasons, but this math is a bit off. "189x5 refills" that's 25 players and the natural generation is enough for 96 players, so that means that your League consists of about 121 players, which is a lot. D3 usually consists of 100 players, so are these numbers for D1/D2? Next is "(90x3)x7 boosters". 6 uses of boosters usually is enough for the week, no need to do it 7 times. And not all of them have the koban cost. Chorella drops like money, the income of Ginseng is quite big too. So it's only Jujubes and Cordyceps who actually have the koban cost. So it's not really a fair math. Other than that, yes, I agree, new changes don't cover the cost of boosters that are needed to get to those positions. But maybe that was the point of these changes, who knows.

12 hours ago, Nimrod said:

4- Season: not much to do with kisses when you finish the last normal level, jumps from 200mojo per level to 2000mojo really? 12000mojo to get to the last girl to 32000 to get the last level hahaha and is the same rewards over and over since it started I finish all the important levels in 20 days give or take. It´s ok again you can miss a day, but the ones that do all the things and can do more levels need the incentive to do so.

It's in reverse, now you actually get something after the last tier of rewards(Tier 51). It's a small thing, but that's the point.

12 hours ago, Nimrod said:

Headband of determination: never needed that just levels/stats and  add girls to the mix and you are good to go and I´m guessing a new player doesn´t need that either since those are blocked till lvl200.

Pandora Witch Tier 3. Maybe it's not that needed, but if they introduce Tier 3 to villains in later worlds this booster will be relevant.

12 hours ago, Nimrod said:

Alban´s travel memories:  places of power for one you need to get the girls first level them up by the time you get them you don´t need this.

What? Did you mean "Angels’ semen scent" ?

12 hours ago, Nimrod said:

11- Making a team: Why Why WHY? this is not a new problem ever since I started playing the game I always wonder why the information was all in different tabs.

All the info you need is in the Harem but when you are making the team you don´t use the harem (make it make sense) you go to the tower or the season to do that but there is no info of the girl there like hair color, eyes and position. At least now the game  arrenges  the girls so you get the best ones but it takes the fun out of making the team and really doing the work to win win fights. Why not make the harem not display the full body of the girl and in that put the seven slots for the team, you have the girls on the left the info on the right and the team in the middle 

 

That would be relevant if people would actually be able to access harem. With half a minute loading time I say no. Otherwise it's a good idea. That problem could be solved by using a script approved by Kinkoid though. And using the great tables of zoopokemon.

Other than these few points I agree with everything. Overall, game feels more cramped now. Too many features, too many things to keep track of and no good system to actually do that. Plus the constant rush of events. I liked when the game had this relaxed pace. Now you miss a day and you miss the whole event. Miss three days and you might even miss 3 events. That's not healthy.

[Тёмный Властелин]

@Nimrod I thought about what you said here a bit, and I think that I can add to your list about a dozen more issues the game has. Or even more, I dunno, don't even want to start doing it. What is, actually, interesting for me is why people keep playing this game because of all of these issues. What keeps them in the game? The "minuses" list is big but what are "the pluses", really?

[lepidocter]

I understand that old players find the game different (or worst), but designers cannot simply listen a single part of the customers, that play a "different game" than others. Your game routine is simply different than mine. It's hard to  define who need the more benefits: you or me?

To me the game is quite enjoyable the way it is, and I didn't touched your extreme PvP context so far. And I'll be happy if I'll NEVER touch it the way all you whales are describing it! If I want serious PvP, I'll probably opt for some AAA console game.

Maybe (and I say maybe) they want for a more reactive game at low to middle levels instead of quickly drag people into high, stagnating whale tiers.

That's beside obvious wrong designs or inherited design choices you quoted. Those are just wrong math, there's no excuse and it's just a matter of twisting numbers. At your Level, probably trolls that drop cash sound insulting even if regulated by a growing function XD.

Edited October 29, 2021 by lepidocter

[Alkazord]

I logged in just to say I agree with this psot ( I rarely do that nowadays, it's a hassle after the changes and I dropped the habit).

I also find HH cramped and too time-consuming nowadays, to the extent I think I could drop it and solely remain in CX, which due to the fact it's new has a much shallower structure, fitting my time constraints more. You log in, buy stuff, click stuff, done, can log in again at the reset and in the evening. Basically 3 times a day at market resets. While HH requires a much more serious investment to collect everything :(

[holymolly]

@Тёмный Властелин (couldn´t ping you since I can´t write cyrillic )  I feel like one thing that keeps a lot of players in the game is the story. There are a lot of disadvantages but I still feel like it´s one of the better games out there. It´s gotten more time-consuming for sure though but I feel like (for me at least) the new pvp changes will mean that I´m saving quite a lot of time due to the fact that I´m not going to actively compete in D3 anymore. Just doing my fights everytime I see somebody is unboosted rather than searching specific opponents and changing equipments is probably going to save me about 1h a day ^^. I mean if somebody wants to play the game casually logging in 3 times a day for 5-10 mins is enough to do everything (except from daily missions obviously) so it´s still not to bad (though I have to say that I´ve been wasting a lot of time lately on it )

 

[Kaitana]

Le 29/10/2021 à 03:23, Nimrod a dit :

11- Making a team: Why Why WHY? this is not a new problem ever since I started playing the game I always wonder why the information was all in different tabs.

All the info you need is in the Harem but when you are making the team you don´t use the harem (make it make sense) you go to the tower or the season to do that but there is no info of the girl there like hair color, eyes and position.

No. All you have to do is to look who are the highers girls when you change your team. There are icons showing the girls' elements, and benedictions are shown by a different color. Harem is useless, unless you want to prepare for next week, what is long and not an obligation. If you don't adore pvp, the less time it takes, the better. According to me, pvp is not pleasant, but does'nt have to. It's only a way to come to an end.

And for the events, if you think there are too many (I agree on this, but I think that's not annoying), why don't you choose three or four, and ignore the other ones ? You don't like the events where you have to do all the daily quests, understood. Don't play these events, then.

I like the game as it is. The huge amounts of money are very helpful to max the girls, and there are new girls every month. And the champions have new girls too, so tickets are useful too. The amount should be reworked but I hope it will not become like comix harem, that is, too rare. Dating tokens were useful, that's right. But nobody says they will never come back, or be replaced by something similar (it seems kinkoid wants to exclude mythic girls from the possibility to be earned after their normal event, but for other girls, there should be no exclusivity problem). I don't see change as a problem, what you look like to think with your list, even without saying it. Maybe the changes are not as fast as they should be, but that's not terrible.

Edited October 30, 2021 by Kaitana

[lepidocter]

1 ora fa, Kaitana ha scritto:

No. All you have to do is to look who are the highers girls when you change your team. There are icons showing the girls' elements, and benedictions are shown by a different color. Harem is useless, unless you want to prepare for next week, what is long and not an obligation. If you don't adore pvp, the less time it takes, the better. According to me, pvp is not pleasant, but does'nt have to. It's only a way to come to an end.

Well, is not entirely correct, but correct  enough.

Some super competitive player decide who to  boost on the fly. When you have 500+ girls you cannot max all of them evenly. So they need to know not the actual stronger girls, but the ones that will be once boosted. If you can rearrange the girls on the team edit by attributes, you can spot the ones that become stronger when maxed out.

The logic of Kinkoid is that you can do it in the Harem: sort the girls by attributes, spot the higher ones, then click on the green + icons to max the spotted girls.

So, virtually speaking, is better to reach for the harem for such operations instead of the team edits that lack the boost options. Using the team edit screen mean that once spotted you have to reach for the market, reach for the girl between 500 and apply the boost. The harem do it i one click.

It's a particualr circumstance that again come into play only for very high level players (that, once again, are playing a different game than the rest of customers).

[Kaitana]

il y a 50 minutes, lepidocter a dit :

Some super competitive player decide who to  boost on the fly. When you have 500+ girls you cannot max all of them evenly. So they need to know not the actual stronger girls, but the ones that will be once boosted. If you can rearrange the girls on the team edit by attributes, you can spot the ones that become stronger when maxed out.

I don't understand why these super competitive players (what I am not and don't want to become) don't spare books and use them in necesseray numbers the day they know where they should use them. They have the money, and they have the books. So what ? These players find this way boring ? OK, understood. It make perfectly sense, nobody wants a boring game. But it's on them, not on the game, if they want to use the boring way, not the easy way. 

I suppose hyper-competition is not the style Kinkoid likes. And I'm pretty sure impatience will not be rewarded, because it will take time to see an unbroken system. I have no proof but it's what I understand after the last updates. If, for some players, this game is only enjoyable because of its pvp system, and they can't wait, that smells bad for them. But if not, they should do something else at least for a certain time. Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe I'm not.

[MMCr]

You are wrong Kaitana- I have over 800 girls and it takes ages for them to sort (even if the right sorting option is available) and just as long to switch to the + screen. That is before you start on your 100s of items needed to upgrade them (unless you burn kobans on the mythic items) You upgrade them and the picture takes an age to load too. It is a chore and the excitement of  new picture story has long gone for me - yes it is mega boring and there is no easy way to find and upgrade the right girls quickly, even if you use stat spreadsheets - it takes an age to load the right girl even if you enter their name - and then a few 100 books/affection items to click on - way too boring. It takes over 200k xp to max out 6* girl that is over 100 encyclopedias - that is a lot when you only get 7 free every 6 hours and some of those wont be nearly as high xp.

Kinkoid answer is buy mythic items or just get more mythic girls - but they are reducing the amount of kobans you can easily win, because those who have spent years clicking away already have an unfair advantage on those who use their mum's credit card.

The work I put clicking in years ago means i can still get in top 15 of d3 every week - so i win enough kobans to just do 15X in leagues and 10x in seasons a couple of times a day. 

I may get a 3rd or 4th wind and start bothering with upgrading girls again, but I feel I am much more likely to boredom quit the game. I get more enjoyment out of horny heroes, coz it is so simple and I still enjoy getting a new girl on there, (I got Kimie the other day!) not resenting them clogging everything up and knowing you will never upgrade them. Last time i counted, and that was months ago when I still cared or thought I might upgrade them, I had 211 girls still to upgrade - they will never appear at the top of your list they are level 1 xp too - so unless they are ever double blessed girls they never will be either. A waste of the artists time in my book.

it is all very well adding new features but if the game becomes unplayable (which it has for me) guess what  - people will stop playing.

 

Anyway it is back working now - i may come on next time it is broken! 

[Bomba]

8 hours ago, MMCr said:

You are wrong Kaitana- I have over 800 girls and it takes ages for them to sort (even if the right sorting option is available) and just as long to switch to the + screen. That is before you start on your 100s of items needed to upgrade them (unless you burn kobans on the mythic items) You upgrade them and the picture takes an age to load too. It is a chore and the excitement of  new picture story has long gone for me - yes it is mega boring and there is no easy way to find and upgrade the right girls quickly, even if you use stat spreadsheets - it takes an age to load the right girl even if you enter their name - and then a few 100 books/affection items to click on - way too boring. It takes over 200k xp to max out 6* girl that is over 100 encyclopedias - that is a lot when you only get 7 free every 6 hours and some of those wont be nearly as high xp.

Kinkoid answer is buy mythic items or just get more mythic girls - but they are reducing the amount of kobans you can easily win, because those who have spent years clicking away already have an unfair advantage on those who use their mum's credit card.

The work I put clicking in years ago means i can still get in top 15 of d3 every week - so i win enough kobans to just do 15X in leagues and 10x in seasons a couple of times a day. 

I may get a 3rd or 4th wind and start bothering with upgrading girls again, but I feel I am much more likely to boredom quit the game. I get more enjoyment out of horny heroes, coz it is so simple and I still enjoy getting a new girl on there, (I got Kimie the other day!) not resenting them clogging everything up and knowing you will never upgrade them. Last time i counted, and that was months ago when I still cared or thought I might upgrade them, I had 211 girls still to upgrade - they will never appear at the top of your list they are level 1 xp too - so unless they are ever double blessed girls they never will be either. A waste of the artists time in my book.

it is all very well adding new features but if the game becomes unplayable (which it has for me) guess what  - people will stop playing.

 

Anyway it is back working now - i may come on next time it is broken! 

Yep, as I said, the harem is inaccessible and that's a very big hurdle. But you know what, there's a way around it. There was a conversation about this issue recently and I found it very helpful.

Basically, with the use of script and the return button you can avoid the harem loading time entirely.

[Kaitana]

Il y a 15 heures, MMCr a dit :

You are wrong Kaitana- I have over 800 girls and it takes ages for them to sort (even if the right sorting option is available) and just as long to switch to the + screen.

It's not what I said. Even with far less than 800 girls it takes ages.

What I said is you can completely avoid the harem and just look on the season or league screen (when you change team). Blessed girls are written in green, you just have to look at each name, and there are the same icons for elements than the ones in the harem. Yes, it will take time, but not ages, because you have not 800 blessed girls, and the ones who are the higher in this screen are the strongests. 

As far as I know there is no filter for elements in the harem, so I don't see how the harem could be a satisfying solution in order to see blessings when it's a matter of element like next week. And accessing the existing filters in the harem is very much longer than just picking the blessed ones and maxing them two seconds before a fight. You prefer the harem, and that's ok. But according to me it's an old habit, and it penalizes you now.

[blaa]

On 10/29/2021 at 9:04 PM, Тёмный Властелин said:

@Nimrod I thought about what you said here a bit, and I think that I can add to your list about a dozen more issues the game has. Or even more, I dunno, don't even want to start doing it. What is, actually, interesting for me is why people keep playing this game because of all of these issues. What keeps them in the game? The "minuses" list is big but what are "the pluses", really?

you could start with your pluses - for a time I thought we lost you, but apparently you are still going.

For me it's basically two things: 1) I like competition, so PvP is an important aspect - like I often said: I dont play cause of the girls (one of the reasons it's so easy to me to save affection (dont need them to uprade for fapping reasons or whatever)), but I play cause I love playing (and decided a few years ago to play this game) b) i like to do things until they are finished - since i am still missing girls and there are still goals to reach i keep going.

Ofc someday I could just stop if it's not enough fun anymore, the many issuses dont help, but they are not a problem yet

On 10/30/2021 at 12:53 PM, Kaitana said:

I don't understand why these super competitive players (what I am not and don't want to become) don't spare books and use them in necesseray numbers the day they know where they should use them. They have the money, and they have the books. So what ?

 that's what I do, why should i waste books - what many players do though, is using all their affection cause they wanna see the scenes; like I said, I am not one of them

obviously there are many players that have even more resouces like me

On 10/30/2021 at 2:08 AM, holymolly said:

@Тёмный Властелин (couldn´t ping you since I can´t write cyrillic )  I feel like one thing that keeps a lot of players in the game is the story. There are a lot of disadvantages but I still feel like it´s one of the better games out there. It´s gotten more time-consuming for sure though but I feel like (for me at least) the new pvp changes will mean that I´m saving quite a lot of time due to the fact that I´m not going to actively compete in D3 anymore. Just doing my fights everytime I see somebody is unboosted rather than searching specific opponents and changing equipments is probably going to save me about 1h a day ^^. I mean if somebody wants to play the game casually logging in 3 times a day for 5-10 mins is enough to do everything (except from daily missions obviously) so it´s still not to bad (though I have to say that I´ve been wasting a lot of time lately on it )

 

story is one of the other reasons i do play too (shouldnt have forgotten it); i really enjoy it.

Btw hollymolly, you dont need to be able to write cyrillic, there are other ways to give a notice to our russian friend.

15 hours ago, MMCr said:

You are wrong Kaitana- I have over 800 girls and it takes ages for them to sort (even if the right sorting option is available) and just as long to switch to the + screen. That is before you start on your 100s of items needed to upgrade them (unless you burn kobans on the mythic items) You upgrade them and the picture takes an age to load too. It is a chore and the excitement of  new picture story has long gone for me - yes it is mega boring and there is no easy way to find and upgrade the right girls quickly, even if you use stat spreadsheets - it takes an age to load the right girl even if you enter their name - and then a few 100 books/affection items to click on - way too boring. It takes over 200k xp to max out 6* girl that is over 100 encyclopedias - that is a lot when you only get 7 free every 6 hours and some of those wont be nearly as high xp.

Kinkoid answer is buy mythic items or just get more mythic girls - but they are reducing the amount of kobans you can easily win, because those who have spent years clicking away already have an unfair advantage on those who use their mum's credit card.

The work I put clicking in years ago means i can still get in top 15 of d3 every week - so i win enough kobans to just do 15X in leagues and 10x in seasons a couple of times a day. 

I may get a 3rd or 4th wind and start bothering with upgrading girls again, but I feel I am much more likely to boredom quit the game. I get more enjoyment out of horny heroes, coz it is so simple and I still enjoy getting a new girl on there, (I got Kimie the other day!) not resenting them clogging everything up and knowing you will never upgrade them. Last time i counted, and that was months ago when I still cared or thought I might upgrade them, I had 211 girls still to upgrade - they will never appear at the top of your list they are level 1 xp too - so unless they are ever double blessed girls they never will be either. A waste of the artists time in my book.

it is all very well adding new features but if the game becomes unplayable (which it has for me) guess what  - people will stop playing.

 

Anyway it is back working now - i may come on next time it is broken! 

kaitana gave you a great tip, but I agree, doing something over harem screen is a horror; i am really looking forward to market and harem rework that will eventually come (at least they said it will come)

[Тёмный Властелин]

49 minutes ago, blaa said:

for a time I thought we lost you, but apparently you are still going

You're right. I stopped playing back in November 2020 and returned playing in the middle of June 2021. 

53 minutes ago, blaa said:

you could start with your pluses

1. I like to read the story. The problem with that is poor quality of drawings in the first worlds and some double left legs, chicken legs, jelly fingers ect ect ect in the others. Poor quality of story and girls drawings is a serious issue cause it is one of the most important things for such kind of visual games.
2. I like "collectible" games. Before HH I played Hearthstone for 5 years, so gathering something is generally a thing I like. Exclusivity in such kind of games is what I strongly dislike. Making the girls reappear on a regular basis is a must (in my opinion), especially after B.D.S.M. implementation. You need all the girls (most of them at least), otherwise your team won't be optimal. Why does Kinkoid keep punishing their players, who missed some events in the past (due to various reasons)? I just don't get that.
3. I like competition to some extent. I'm not good at shooters, but like to compete in "slower" games, that's why I was playing Hearthstone for so long. The problem with Hearstone was that Bli$$ard was (and still is) too greedy. I can see that in HH too. Just look at the bundles cost and contents. And direct koban purchase prices. 2760 kobans for 20 Euros? Really? That's the price for a brand new AAA project game, with tons of content and many hours of gameplay. Here you can only buy 1 girl (approximately) for that amount of in-game currency. I'm not against paying for a game I like\play (and I'm actually doing it for the season pass), cause, well, it's fair - you play the game, developers release new content, you use that content for your own good, you pay for it - win/win. Developers need to cover expenses and eat something. But the prices... omg. 20 Euros is like 7-8% of median monthly salary in Russia, for example.
4. I'm not really into anime stuff (not at all) but I can see that as a plus. People of that subculture like to see the parodies of their favoutite anime heroes. But, yeah, as I said, I'm just not a fan.

So, as you can see, for every plus there is a long list of issues (I just briefly pointed out some of them.. don't want to write about them a 1-kilometer-long post.. It is not even needed cause you all know about them pretty good by yourselves) the game has right now. And I keep wondering if it was a right decision to return into the game back in summer or did I make a "terrible mistake"? 😀

[Bomba]

14 hours ago, Тёмный Властелин said:

I'm not really into anime stuff (not at all) but I can see that as a plus. People of that subculture like to see the parodies of their favoutite anime heroes. But, yeah, as I said, I'm just not a fan.

Uhmm, no. I definitely don't like the caricature parodies of those cool sexy girls in the Kinkoid style. I mean, look at all those things

14 hours ago, Тёмный Властелин said:

poor quality of drawings in the first worlds and some double left legs, chicken legs, jelly fingers ect ect ect in the others. Poor quality of story and girls drawings is a serious issue

You even pointed them out. Anime and hentai has certain level of quality and a certain style. Yeah, they take some stylistic liberty sometimes, but an artist without knowledge of anatomy will not make it far there. Here, it's different. This game has hentai only in its name.

But there're people in this game who say that Kryll is perfect so talking about how this game's artistic style has nothing to do with anime and hentai style is probably not a good decision on my part.

14 hours ago, Тёмный Властелин said:

And I keep wondering if it was a right decision to return into the game back in summer or did I make a "terrible mistake"? 😀

Something brought you back here. So maybe quitting was a mistake? 

[Nimrod]

En 29/10/2021 a las 13:00, Bomba dijo:

This is a really good post that talks about a lot of recent changes. I agree with nearly everything here, but I have few words to add.

I agree that rewards for League aren't cool anymore and mostly for the same reasons, but this math is a bit off. "189x5 refills" that's 25 players and the natural generation is enough for 96 players, so that means that your League consists of about 121 players, which is a lot. D3 usually consists of 100 players, so are these numbers for D1/D2? Next is "(90x3)x7 boosters". 6 uses of boosters usually is enough for the week, no need to do it 7 times. And not all of them have the koban cost. Chorella drops like money, the income of Ginseng is quite big too. So it's only Jujubes and Cordyceps who actually have the koban cost. So it's not really a fair math. Other than that, yes, I agree, new changes don't cover the cost of boosters that are needed to get to those positions. But maybe that was the point of these changes, who knows.

That would be relevant if people would actually be able to access harem. With half a minute loading time I say no. Otherwise it's a good idea. That problem could be solved by using a script approved by Kinkoid though. And using the great tables of zoopokemon.

My math was based on experience I know that If I play every fight when generated I have almost no refills to buy but is not realistic sometimes the league has 110 players and  I´m not glued to my computer got other things to do with my day like work. It´s just an estimate you can spend less o more kobans I never played D3 because of the other point I mentioned you can´t  play against players with a 100+ levels ahead of you and that´s ok but if the idea was to level the playing field they missed the mark.

Boosters drop now yes and If you play the leagues you spend them really fast and that was the idea now it´s not even worth doing it and the booster drop is one of the new things I bought a ton of boosters for the league before they started droping and the only reason I have some is because I drop leagues all the time because it was worth it and the new mithic is a must now too no drop for that one. Also think of new players who have limited resources and can´t play the upper leagues If D1 in first place is not worth the efford check the rewards for the lower leagues. 

  

En 30/10/2021 a las 5:11, Kaitana dijo:

No. All you have to do is to look who are the highers girls when you change your team. There are icons showing the girls' elements, and benedictions are shown by a different color. Harem is useless, unless you want to prepare for next week, what is long and not an obligation. If you don't adore pvp, the less time it takes, the better. According to me, pvp is not pleasant, but does'nt have to. It's only a way to come to an end.

And for the events, if you think there are too many (I agree on this, but I think that's not annoying), why don't you choose three or four, and ignore the other ones ? You don't like the events where you have to do all the daily quests, understood. Don't play these events, then.

I like the game as it is. The huge amounts of money are very helpful to max the girls, and there are new girls every month. And the champions have new girls too, so tickets are useful too. The amount should be reworked but I hope it will not become like comix harem, that is, too rare. Dating tokens were useful, that's right. But nobody says they will never come back, or be replaced by something similar (it seems kinkoid wants to exclude mythic girls from the possibility to be earned after their normal event, but for other girls, there should be no exclusivity problem). I don't see change as a problem, what you look like to think with your list, even without saying it. Maybe the changes are not as fast as they should be, but that's not terrible.

To answer this, Did you notice in the old and the new team builder that it takes almost no time to load right? I think is because it dosen´t load the image for every girl in the diferent positions like in the harem that´s why I said take the middle out when editing the team also It does´t need to be in the harem per say make it separate from all the other things. And yes I like to make the team with the best girls possible that doesn´t compute in the new team builder one week I put Justine in the team because of the bonuses but it was not shown at the top , last week I had Kalissa same thing happened. All I do is filter acording to that week´s bonus the girls that have them but if they are not at my level they are not shown as the better ones for the team and nobody has all girls at their current level. Also you save books for another event in case you don´t remember the lengendary contest.

You also don´t need the exp and affection bars on the harem since you use the shop for that, that also makes no sense going to the harem to find the girl (easier than the shop for that) and going to the shop to give gifts and books back to the harem to see the image back to the shop again. 

Yes I´m competitive and I like to win something for my efford that´s the point of PvP and games in general, you want to be a casual player be my guest. I don´t have much to do the rest of the time in the game if there´s no PvP worth playing.  On top of that I got screw this week with the reward fuckup I got the new rewards with no shards not the old rewards as it was stated in the announcement.

 I´m done with champions, quest, season is easy, bosses only 3 girls left, Pachinko is almost empty got most of the girls as they come out. Tell me what else is to do in the game but the Tower of fame?  

Someone said I´m playing a "different game" the rules of the game are the same for everyone so I´m just playing to win, If you don´t want to compete I have no problem with that just don´t ruin the competition. Like I said you don´t get a participation trophy.  

I´m not complaining that there are too many events what I´m saying is that in the current events you can´t miss a day look at this event "Alice in Fuckland" 9 quest 9 days, yes you can do the quest the next day but it´s alot of time if those pile up,  in the mythic girls you can´t miss an hour and you need a shit ton of kobans.     

[Bomba]

2 hours ago, Nimrod said:

My math was based on experience I know that If I play every fight when generated I have almost no refills to buy but is not realistic sometimes the league has 110 players and  I´m not glued to my computer got other things to do with my day like work. It´s just an estimate you can spend less o more kobans I never played D3 because of the other point I mentioned you can´t  play against players with a 100+ levels ahead of you and that´s ok but if the idea was to level the playing field they missed the mark.

Boosters drop now yes and If you play the leagues you spend them really fast and that was the idea now it´s not even worth doing it and the booster drop is one of the new things I bought a ton of boosters for the league before they started droping and the only reason I have some is because I drop leagues all the time because it was worth it and the new mithic is a must now too no drop for that one. Also think of new players who have limited resources and can´t play the upper leagues If D1 in first place is not worth the efford check the rewards for the lower leagues. 

Wait, your math is based on the player, who can get top4 in D1 and D2 even though he's 100+ levels behind and who also lives in the times where boosters don't drop from orbs, yet mythics are already a thing? That's too many impossible things at once. I'll skip over the second part and focus on the first one. So which one are you talking about? Is it a player who's your level and can get top4 in D1 and D2 or someone who's 100+ levels behind? 

Because if you're talking about yourself, then your math based on the "god mode" which is unachievable for most of the players. You said you're level 468, right? That's enough for top4 in D3 and the best rewards, so that's why you use numbers from the "god mode". Other, normal players don't have your level and can't guarantee the placement in the top4 for D1 and D2 like you. For them it's a chance, not a guarantee and not a big chance if the player like you are present in the same league. And that's why they can't afford spending such limited resource like kobans on boosters. It's not worth it and if they use them, they use the free ones from orbs. Same about league refills. Once again, it's about a limited resource - kobans and what they can get for it. In League refills means experience, which they can't get from anywhere else, so it's worth spending kobans. But still, that should include the proper figures for such spendings.

So no. If you want to do that sort of math you might as well include the cost of x15 league battles, the cost of refills for the whole league because you decided that rushing in the first day is a good idea or something. But that wouldn't be a fair math. And that's the only thing I pointed out. I'm also not thrilled that they removed rewards from the top places, cause I also wanted to get that "god mode" at some point and it's no longer achievable. But if we're doing math. we're doing it properly, okay. And yeah, for League that means that you can visit the game every 8 hours and use all of the 287 battles there during the week. The local time of the reset changes that, so are the days where you can't be in the game every 8 hours, but that's a personal handicap that you have to deal with on your own. Obviously, you can include that in math, but you should at least mention where that difference comes from.

 

[jelom]

5 hours ago, Bomba said:

boosters don't drop from orbs

Legendary boosters DO DROP from epic and mythic pachinko orbs. So you can get them for free. And now that chlorella is a viable booster you can have enough free boosters.

And unless you are aiming for top 4 in D3 or a win in D2 leagues you shouldn't use mythic boosters, and you don't even need them, my estimation is that every mythic AME booster gives you between 50 and 70 points only.

[Kaitana]

Il y a 8 heures, Nimrod a dit :

one week I put Justine in the team because of the bonuses but it was not shown at the top , last week I had Kalissa same thing happened. All I do is filter acording to that week´s bonus the girls that have them but if they are not at my level they are not shown as the better ones for the team and nobody has all girls at their current level.

That's right, if you let a girl with a low level, you can miss her because she's not high enough in the screen. But you have all the money you need in order to buy books, so you can max all the blessed girls. Maybe you have to buy more books. Especially in the case of somebody who has done everything like you, money should not be a problem. Avoid to put all your books on certain girls, and prefer a same level for all, because when every blessed girl is at the same level, you always see the strongests. Or, the difference being tiny between blessed girls (with the same blessing and rarity of course), if you don't max all the blessed girls for a reason or another, max half of them (for example), pick the strongests, and, unless you are very unlucky, the team will have more or less the same power.

[Bomba]

2 hours ago, jelom said:

Legendary boosters DO DROP from epic and mythic pachinko orbs. So you can get them for free. And now that chlorella is a viable booster you can have enough free boosters.

And unless you are aiming for top 4 in D3 or a win in D2 leagues you shouldn't use mythic boosters, and you don't even need them, my estimation is that every mythic AME booster gives you between 50 and 70 points only.

Exactly! They do drop after all. I mean, orbs appeared way before even mythic girls, so adding their koban cost shouldn't be necessary at this point, unless it's a Cordyceps.

As for mythic AM booster. Those 50-70 points might be the difference between 1st and 2nd, so I think it's fair that he included their cost.

But you know, that math with costs of legendary boosters included really shows how broken it was for those who were in the "god mode". You could just throw those kobans in and even with top4 still have a gain. All because your level is higher. And I wanted to be a part of it too some day.

[Тёмный Властелин]

4 hours ago, jelom said:

AME booster gives you between 50 and 70 points only

I even wanted to start a thread or ask a question about AM mythic booster power estimation in amount of additional points gain...

Your estimation may be valid for your power level. I personally feel that it gives me something like 150 points.. maybe even more... up to 200 points. I win battles with it that I would have surely lost otherwise. But that's just a personal "feeling".

Edited November 2, 2021 by Тёмный Властелин

[blaa]

15 minutes ago, Тёмный Властелин said:

I even wanted to start a thread or ask a question about AM mythic booster power estimation in amount of additional points gain...

Your estimation may be valid for your power level. I personally feel that it gives me something like 150 points.. maybe even more... up to 200 points. I win battles with it that I would have surely lost otherwise. But that's just a personal "feeling".

yeah, it's hard to tell how many points it gives, obviously the higher you are the less it helps; typical-KK-logic: these who probably have the most resources are the people who need it the least. (edit: it's probably a good money logic though, people who dont have the resources but need it, have to buy it (if they want to stay competitive, at least a little bit))

If you can win a lot of fights you otherwise would lose it's a big plus, not only pointwise, but also xpwise. 

Since it's hard to tell, how many points you can get with it, there are two simple rules 1) the stronger the player the more you get out of it 2) the more higher players the more points you get from it in total (against high level opponents 480+ (i am 472) i can make up to almost 1 point, against low levels ( around 360) I sometimes win only 0,1 points per fight. for you the gain against 480+ will be a lot higher, ofc)

Edited November 2, 2021 by blaa