[ 25-Jun-20 ] Legendary Contests - Discussion

[MaybeRegret]

2 hours ago, Lemus said:

Golden bunny, for example, was supposed to be back, too

She was at least in one mythic pachinko rotation, so technically she already was back? 

[Oda]

I think Tonegawa's words in this gif represent my current sentiments towards the developers in the best possible way

 

[Daniele]

Well, i guess i've been lucky, but i would have expected way more competition, especially in the last day...

Here on HH, level 425:
Day 1 - 23rd, 41707 pts
Day 2 - 12th, 85005 pts
Day 3 - 24th, 800 pts
Day 4 - 6th, 1,084,070 pts

On day 1 I refilled some league tokens, but that's what i have to do every week to fight all my battles using only 5 sets of boosters. I would have done the same even without LC.
On day 2 i spent 425M, usually i can't play at reset and i miss several hours most of the time, so i had to guess how much money i needed to spend: i was expecting around 50k pts for a top 25, but in the end it was only 24k... 300M ymens wasted for nothing 😅. Oh well, money is worthless anyway, i still have 2.87 billions and a fuckton of equipment to sell.
No kobans used on day 3, just natural combativity.
On day 4 i just used some of my book stash. For once, i was here at reset, so I could have easily get a Top 4 (it was just 1.2M), but i intentionally didn't. Actually i wanted to get only 25 shards, but again i was expecting higher scores in the last day and i wasn't sure i would have been able to play at reset time, so i overdid it. Top 25 was only 193k pts...

On nutaku, level 381:
Day 1 - 15th, 28787 pts
Day 2 - 18th, 12405 pts
Day 3 - 18th, 827 pts
Day 4 - 1st, 832,200 pts

Not a single koban spent on day 1 and 3, 60M ymens on day 2. No idea what happened today, i wanted to get only 25 shards and i even used my books like 7 hours before the reset... 2nd did 799k pts, top 4 562k, top 10 317k, top 25 66k 😮

Just for reference, on the test server, level 390:
Day 1 - 20th, 22400 pts
Day 2 - 24th, 5005 pts
Day 3 - 47th, 713 pts
Day 4 - 7th, 1,149,834 pts

No kobans, 25M ymens.

[Lemus]

2 hours ago, MaybeRegret said:

She was at least in one mythic pachinko rotation, so technically she already was back? 

Even if we count it this way, the first time it appeared seems to be in the autumn of 2018 and in Pachinko it seems to have been in winter 2020. That's more than a year. And this is too long in my opinion. There was no normal repeated event with her at all, but it was a year and a half ago.

In this case, it was an example in response to the reasoning that the girl is no longer "exclusive", do not "worry" those who have spent a lot of resources, but could not get 100 shards, say wait until she is repeated. Yeah, "wait," a year and a half or more. That sounds to me like a very bad prospect for the future.

[Crimson scale]

I managed to not get any shares the whole event, I HATE PVP!

I am glad I didn't screw over anyone else just to get a quarter of a girl, I hope I helped at least one person get the shares they needed

[KennyKenKen]

I know it's just a game and all, and I usually don't like to complain but...

WORST. EVENT. EVER. 

 

[Master Edward]

41 minutes ago, Lemus said:

Even if we count it this way, the first time it appeared seems to be in the autumn of 2018 and in Pachinko it seems to have been in winter 2020. That's more than a year. And this is too long in my opinion. There was no normal repeated event with her at all, but it was a year and a half ago.

In this case, it was an example in response to the reasoning that the girl is no longer "exclusive", do not "worry" those who have spent a lot of resources, but could not get 100 shards, say wait until she is repeated. Yeah, "wait," a year and a half or more. That sounds to me like a very bad prospect for the future.

I'm sure some players very want to get Golden Bunny or Filya, but they are not the only ones girls in the game. While players wait for this girls, they don't just sitting looking into monitor of device sometimes checking the passed time. 😁


There are many other event and opportunities to get other girls. Every new girl helps you become better and when you will face again with Golden Bunny you will be ready to catch her for ever. 

[Observer_X]

Was willing to show all my event results and the differences with the winners, so I waited until the end of the event to collect the rewards to be able to do some copy and paste all in one round.

Overall, despite having obtained the girl, I am definitely not a fan of this event. The only reason I was able to obtain her is that I had already decided before the event start that it was time to make a second upgrade of my girl levels, and I just waited the last day to do it. In the second day I would have not been able to get some shards even burning all my 140 epic orbs (so I used them the next day and won the standard contest: toh, look what the case, the day after the legendary contest had the casino round, the standard casino contest appears, this world is really little). In the first and third day I did the best I could (the third day I was busy with other matters and did the barely minimum arena fights), but as it is well visible above, the results were absolutely insufficient. To obtain the girl the last day, having again other chores to attend, I had literally to lose sleep to spend all the possible books on my harem. Although I like the money income for her 5 star grade, with hindsight she is definitely not a girl I would have spent so many resources on (without having already decided to do so already for other reasons), as by my tastes she will fall in the "just another girl in my harem" category.

I have seen that some people stated that in this event free players could do well enough without spending hoarded free kobans. I hope the above is enough to make them reconsider.

 

Edited June 29, 2020 by Observer_X

[Zorba the Geek]

This is the weirdest event ever!!  I wasn't taking part at all, but I managed to get that ginger cookie to 50 shards in one account - ie, without even trying.  If I managed that level of 'success' there will be those who went for broke and managed to snare her.  Congrats to them and well done.  There would've been a lot of competition.

The artist who drew her (Ben?) has managed to capture a redhead complexion really well, including skin tone - such as well drawn and placed freckles with a slight sunburn (as was the case with Greta).  She's incredibly beautiful yet natural looking (but then I'm a sucker for redheads... and freckles).  But having 50 shards is virtually equal to nothing at all unless she crops up again at a somewhat greater likelihood than for (say) Golden Bunny or Fabienne.  I can only look at her on my harem shelf of if-onlys and think maybe I should've tried for her.

I also feel that a x10 orb reward would've been better to differentiate the margin between 1st place and 2-4th places.  The chances of getting a girl with 3 orbs is not all that great unless one is about to enter a winning streak.

I'm assuming we won't have a Legendary Days this month because of the Anniversary so that would be a month down the drain to hope for Fabienne to return.  To think I've been saving up Kobans just for that chance to get her this time with her in her 90s in so many KH accounts.

[Zteev]

7 hours ago, Observer_X said:

I have seen that some people stated that in this event free players could do well enough without spending hoarded free kobans. I hope the above is enough to make them reconsider.

 

While I note your experience, mine is that I spent fairly few Kobans for Filya on Day 1. I think there are enough ranges of possibilities that one could do well or not do well, depepnding on how they spent. How many Kobans did you use?

[Cantrix]

Managed to get her on the first day thanks to tanking in leagues the previous week. Could have gotten her on the second third and fourth days thanks to months worth of stacked resources. As many people above have already stated, i'm against locoing out 50%of the player base of ever succeeding and that's exactly what they did this time. I'm against pvp and the worst thing is that you might dump a lot of resources and get the girl only partialy which is as good as 0.

Terrible idea of an event and that's considering i got the girl. I feel like i've screwed up somebody else who really needed her and i'm not even a  charm player.

Moreover the othe rewards were total crap. Normal contests provide kobans, this one provided only pachinko orbs, that occasiobally drop from bosses. I don't see how spending kobans to get pachinko orbs is of any worth, especially if you already have the girl.

Edited June 30, 2020 by Cantrix

[Zorba the Geek]

Just now, Cantrix said:

Managed to get her on the first day thanks to tanking in leagues the previous week. Could have gotten her on the second third and fourth days thanks to months worth of stacked resources. As many people above have already stated, i'm against locoing out 50%of the player base of ever succeeding and that's exactly what they did this time. I'm against pvp and the worst thing is that you might dump a lot of resources and get the girl only partialy which is as good as 0.

Terrible idea of an event and that's considering i got the girl. I feel like i've screwed up somebody else who really needed her and i'm not even a  charm player. 

Yeah, but she is beautiful!  Congrats to you.  I mean that.  So what if she's charm.  She'll still serve you well against The Champions.

I'm one of those non-participating players you refer to and, in this regard, I feel very sorry for the newer players.  More and more the game is being set up to suit the advanced players who are really into the PvP and The Leagues.  Even the so-called whales are not entirely catered for.  As they say, money can't buy you love and if you don't have the equipment or level no amount of participating will get you any further, except maybe to buy quick token refreshes.  As for me, I just don't have the time to take part in The Leagues day after day, hour after hour.

[pinja]

5 hours ago, Zteev said:

While I note your experience, mine is that I spent fairly few Kobans for Filya on Day 1. I think there are enough ranges of possibilities that one could do well or not do well, depepnding on how they spent. How many Kobans did you use?

For day 1, it mattered more about how you "prepared". If you let yourself drop into lower tier leagues, several hundred koban in league refreshes would be capable of boosting you pretty high... Then again, it could happen that you were in a bracket with individuals who had the same idea, in which case you might need to shell out even more (although that didn't seem to be the case from posts I had seen, but wouldn't know since I wasn't smart enough to prep for this event).

 

Of course, it also mattered what level you are. Brackets were set-up based on level, the higher the level you are, the more active your competitors likely are, and of course how much resources they likely have stockpiled. Think if you go through the posts you will see what I mean here, I'm just thankful I wasn't in a 400+ bracket, where I would have had to shell out more than the 250m it took to win Day 2... 

[LanceHardwood]

People need to keep in mind that their own personal experience doesn't necessarily correlate with everyone else's. There are sometimes significant differences between player levels, and there's also a large RNG component influencing how competitive of a bracket you're getting even in your own level range. So someone might have had it 'easy' simply because they lucked out enough to get the necessary shards on day 1/2.
I personally got the girl on day one placing 3rd, but I still significantly dislike the PvP nature of this event. It also negatively affects players' ability to win regular contests if they spend the resources on the legendary contest. And while level 20 isn't that big of a requirement, it's also a limitation which none of the other events have.
There are a lot more downsides compared to the single upside - which is that nobody is locked out due to not having reached a certain villain.

[Kenrae]

hace 39 minutos, pinja dijo:

For day 1, it mattered more about how you "prepared". If you let yourself drop into lower tier leagues, several hundred koban in league refreshes would be capable of boosting you pretty high... Then again, it could happen that you were in a bracket with individuals who had the same idea, in which case you might need to shell out even more (although that didn't seem to be the case from posts I had seen, but wouldn't know since I wasn't smart enough to prep for this event).

 

Of course, it also mattered what level you are. Brackets were set-up based on level, the higher the level you are, the more active your competitors likely are, and of course how much resources they likely have stockpiled. Think if you go through the posts you will see what I mean here, I'm just thankful I wasn't in a 400+ bracket, where I would have had to shell out more than the 250m it took to win Day 2... 

It took more than 400m to be top 25 😝

[bill1]

4 hours ago, LanceHardwood said:

People need to keep in mind that their own personal experience doesn't necessarily correlate with everyone else's. There are sometimes significant differences between player levels, and there's also a large RNG component influencing how competitive of a bracket you're getting even in your own level range. So someone might have had it 'easy' simply because they lucked out enough to get the necessary shards on day 1/2.
I personally got the girl on day one placing 3rd, but I still significantly dislike the PvP nature of this event. It also negatively affects players' ability to win regular contests if they spend the resources on the legendary contest. And while level 20 isn't that big of a requirement, it's also a limitation which none of the other events have.
There are a lot more downsides compared to the single upside - which is that nobody is locked out due to not having reached a certain villain.

I got the girl on day 4 (because of lots of books in my stock for leveling up). So 25 , 0, 25 and 100 shards to make it 150 at the end. Also I could win a normal contest and collect a 4th place as well, due to other players not interested in them (or so it seemed). Spent no kobans on the event as well, so that is also a bonus.  So overall pretty good event for me. Much more relaxing than POA in my opinion. 

Level 266 player so easier bracket than some others. 

Biggest downside of this event is the time-zone disadvantage. I was online 2 times at the end of the event (resulted in 0 and 25 shards but that is not the point). To give up you`re sleep for something like this, is something else...

[LuxFF]

So, how did everyone fare? Congrats to all who got Filya.

For me, day 1 quest was the optimal way so i didn't have to bother anymore with 1 or 2 refills, but 4x25 shards would maybe also have worked.

[pulli23]

On 6/29/2020 at 5:27 PM, MisterCat said:

Went to bed 12th, woke up 30th.   Ended up with 75 shards which is just the same as 0, so I wasted a bunch of resources to be sniped by people that live in different time zones closer to resest.  Yay.  great.  Yep, it's Monday.  Hope the developers put out a survey on this.

You can also wake up? I've played dozens of international games, and "sniping" here is child's play compared to games like tribalwars. And I'm not even sure how to call it compared to ogame and neptune's pride. Non existant?

 

Really what's the difficulty to put up an alarm, quickly make some adjustments and going to sleep again 30 seconds later? Just make sure your rhythm of 3 hours sleep cycles aligns.

[Zteev]

12 hours ago, pinja said:

For day 1, it mattered more about how you "prepared". If you let yourself drop into lower tier leagues, several hundred koban in league refreshes would be capable of boosting you pretty high... Then again, it could happen that you were in a bracket with individuals who had the same idea, in which case you might need to shell out even more (although that didn't seem to be the case from posts I had seen, but wouldn't know since I wasn't smart enough to prep for this event).

 

Of course, it also mattered what level you are. Brackets were set-up based on level, the higher the level you are, the more active your competitors likely are, and of course how much resources they likely have stockpiled. Think if you go through the posts you will see what I mean here, I'm just thankful I wasn't in a 400+ bracket, where I would have had to shell out more than the 250m it took to win Day 2... 

For me, I did not drop into any lower leagues, I was level 390ish (can't remember exactly) in D2, where I've been for a long time.  Only "prep" was to start with full 15 fights when I woke up.

My point was that the statement:

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I have seen that some people stated that in this event free players could do well enough without spending hoarded free kobans. I hope the above is enough to make them reconsider.

cannot make me reconsider, as I was a free player who did well without spending a lot of Kobans. I did essentially nothing that counts as serious prep, it's the same as making sure you have full Combativity before an event.

The truth is that this statement:

12 hours ago, LanceHardwood said:

People need to keep in mind that their own personal experience doesn't necessarily correlate with everyone else's. There are sometimes significant differences between player levels, and there's also a large RNG component influencing how competitive of a bracket you're getting even in your own level range. So someone might have had it 'easy' simply because they lucked out enough to get the necessary shards on day 1/2.

is correct. The key is that "Free players can't do well enough (to get this reward)" needs very little to be proven wrong, just some examples. It's all about understanding that different players have different experiences, and you need to aware of what opportunities you have.

[Zteev]

2 hours ago, pulli23 said:

You can also wake up? I've played dozens of international games, and "sniping" here is child's play compared to games like tribalwars. And I'm not even sure how to call it compared to ogame and neptune's pride. Non existant?

 

Really what's the difficulty to put up an alarm, quickly make some adjustments and going to sleep again 30 seconds later? Just make sure your rhythm of 3 hours sleep cycles aligns.

Some of us can sleep thorough any alarm that can be set, I'm sure. I can sleep though a truck hitting the building I am sleeping in, and the fire alarm going off right outside my room, with people trying to wake me up to evacuate.

If there's a fire where I live while I'm asleep, I'm a dead man.

[Urist]

20 minutes ago, Zteev said:

If there's a fire where I live while I'm asleep, I'm a dead man. 

If that's a serious concern, you can get a smoke detector for deaf people. Some have really bright strobe lights, others will shake your pillow.

[Zteev]

20 minutes ago, Urist said:

If that's a serious concern, you can get a smoke detector for deaf people. Some have really bright strobe lights, others will shake your pillow.

It is. My alarm clock has strobe lights, a bed vibrator, and is very loud, audible outside the house. I don't use the vibrator, unless I'm traveling, and need to awaken without disturbing other hotel guests.

I can sleep through it, and the smoke detector for the deaf also isn't guaranteed to wake me. I've been in a deaf-enabled hotel room, due to whom I was traveling with once. I didn't wake up from the deaf person fire alarm going off, even though we had a standard alarm making noise as well.

Thanks for the concern, I appreciate it.

[pulli23]

5 hours ago, Zteev said:

Some of us can sleep thorough any alarm that can be set, I'm sure. I can sleep though a truck hitting the building I am sleeping in, and the fire alarm going off right outside my room, with people trying to wake me up to evacuate.

If there's a fire where I live while I'm asleep, I'm a dead man.

Well then you're just not  good at these contests. Just like I won't win the olympics - not everyone can be good at everything and it's perfectly acceptable to sometimes not win?

[Mihai]

So I've got her on Friday by placing 3rd while using about 1500 kobans on ToF refills. Then I couldn't be bothered with the next rounds I didn't even log in the game on weekend and I couldn't care less about the contest on Monday.

[LanceHardwood]

6 hours ago, Zteev said:

The key is that "Free players can't do well enough (to get this reward)" needs very little to be proven wrong, just some examples. It's all about understanding that different players have different experiences, and you need to aware of what opportunities you have.

My point was completely the opposite. A few people who had an easy time due to luck can't be taken as representative of the whole experience. Yes, some f2p players can do well, but it is by no means true for all. Not to mention the other logistical issues like reset times, unclaimed rewards affecting bracket distribution and so on.
I was lucky enough to be able to get the girl on day 1 as a free player, but by no means do I consider that everyone had the same opportunity. In fact, I specifically spent a little kobans on 1 reset to ensure the outcome, since I anticipated I wouldn't be as lucky on subsequent days. A lot of people hadn't even figured out that legendary contests end 30 minutes earlier than regular ones.