Cheap Side Quest Girls

[garadron]

We have a lot of different data collection topics on the forum so I thought one more wouldn't hurt and we could keep a list of all cheap side quest girls in one place. I think some people might find this useful if they're selecting girls to pursue based on art so they can get some valuable girls instead of these worthless ones.

So I'll start with the ones I've gotten so far and if there's an interest in it, I can keep updating the list with our collaborative findings. Sounds cool? I don't know, it's 2:30AM here and I'm waiting for my night shift to end

Reminder before we begin: the "cheap side quest girl" (or CSQG... we can workshop the name) seems to have 1 affection scene in case of 3 stars and 2 (maybe 3?) affection scenes in case of 5 stars

3 star CSQG's:

• Enchanted Filya (August 2023 Classic Event)
• Enchanted Salem (August 2023 Classic Event)
• Miu (August 2023 PvP Season - 2nd girl)
• Honō (August 2023 Path of Valor - free girl)
• Succubus Dahila (August 2023 Path of Valor - paid girl)
• Wet Kisa (August 2023 Path of Attraction - 1st free girl)
• Wet Murane (August 2023 Path of Attraction - 2nd free girl)
• Teaching Virginia (September 2023 Classic Event)
• Tense Bunny's Mom (September 2023 Classic Event)
• Refined Janine (September 2023 Classic Event)
• Cooking Kanako (September 2023 Classic Event)
• Talisman Azumi (September 2023 Classic Event)
• Apron Clarisse (September 2023 Path of Valor - free girl)
• Delicious Delicia (September 2023 Path of Valor - paid girl)
• Mocca (September 2023 Path of Valor - free girl)
• Slidemeon (September 2023 Path of Attraction - 1st free girl)
• Marowank (September 2023 Path of Attraction - 2nd free girl)
• Raisa (September 2023 Path of Valor - free girl)
• Bitsy (September 2023 Path of Valor - paid girl)
• Eri (September PvP Season 1st girl)
• Natalia (September PvP Season 2nd girl)

5 star CSQG's:

• Lihua (August 2023 Legendary Days)
• Sexorcist Shegobara (August 2023 Double Penetration - free girl)
• Ayame (August 2023 Double Penetration - paid girl)
• Yura (August 2023 Legendary Contest)
• Kichi (League girl)

Edited September 29, 2023 by garadron
29.09.2023 list updated

[DvDivXXX]

Your heart is in the right place but I suspect your head is already half asleep, unfortunately. Plus, seeing this new thread in Feedback, I had my hopes up that this might be the first real effort made by a forum regular to make it clear (to Kinkoid) how those of us who care about the art feel about this change... 

Here's the rest of the list for you:

1. All the August 2023 you have already listed, and most of the other girls yet to come this month. Maybe there'll be another exception or two in August, like perhaps the 1st Season girl, I suspect, since you specifically listed only the 2nd one? Perhaps the new League Girl, since she's getting a much later release than usual so she might have been well into the production process when the decision was made to cut the art in affection scenes short (no promises, just a hopeful guess on my part).
    
2. Any and all girls after that, except for Mythics and Seasonal Events' L5s. Edit: Oh, and technically KC girls as well, since they're adapted from existing HCL art (which is typically very different in style and quality compared to original HH art, but yeah).

Edited August 17, 2023 by DvDivXXX
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[garadron]

I decided to get some sleep first and then respond 😅

Most data collecting topics I know are here in the Feedback section - unannounced changed and pachinko drop rates for example, so I thought it would be the most fitting here with the others. Feel free to move it somewhere else if that will make more sense

6 hours ago, DvDivXXX said:

I had my hopes up that this might be the first real effort made by a forum regular to make it clear (to Kinkoid) how those of us who care about the art feel about this change... 

I would love to share my feedback but I don't believe we have the tools to do so. It feels like Kinkoid operates by having their CM's do all the community work and relay info to them so they can ignore it. There's hardly any response from them in the Feedback section of the forum. There are multiple comments on their Feedback channel on Discord about how this change is a terrible decision (including 2 comments I made) and the only comment from Kinkoid since this started was Tohru responding to someone who said they didn't fix a bug with Double Date.

From my perspective I'm just a $10 a month for them (minus Nutaku tax) so I decided to share my feedback with them the only way they'll notice - 7 more days of my gold card and I'll be F2P again. I just don't feel like they care about anything else at this point, seeing how they're slowly killing this game.

And yes, as dumb as this sounds, Akira, the girl easier to get from Seasons is actually superior to the 2nd girl because the 2 scenes I've seen so far are unique.

Do you really think that making threads about how this change is bad for the game would have an effect on Kinkoid decision? We already told them the same thing with so many features and they just doubled down on these ideas each time...

[DvDivXXX]

6 hours ago, garadron said:

Most data collecting topics I know are here in the Feedback section - unannounced changed and pachinko drop rates for example, so I thought it would be the most fitting here with the others. Feel free to move it somewhere else if that will make more sense

My point was more that we're still getting some girls with proper affection scenes mixed in with the new ones with side quests instead only this monthn because the change in production didn't align cleanly with the release schedule. From September onward, ALL girls (except the two most expensive ones, from MD and SE) will have side quests, so there won't be anything to share (except for "hey all of the regular girls this month have side quests instead of affection scenes").

I guess I misunderstood your purpose and you meant to do this specifically for girls released this month, because it's a mixed bag? If so, then that makes sense. It's just that it won't be a long time project, as this month will almost certainly be the last one where at least some girls will have actual affection scenes.

6 hours ago, garadron said:

Do you really think that making threads about how this change is bad for the game would have an effect on Kinkoid decision? We already told them the same thing with so many features and they just doubled down on these ideas each time...

I wish I could say yes, but no. 99% of the time Rosso does whatever Rosso wants to do, especially for big fat changes that have a massive impact on some or even most players. Even when his staff agrees with our feedback, he barely listens to them more than he listens to us anyway.

On top of that, as much as I didn't believe it for a second when CMs gave us mods a headsup about this change and added that they didn't expect a lot of negative feedback about it from the community (but they told us just in case, basically)... I must admit they were shockingly right. It seems that even among the most dedicated players, only a handful of us even gives a shit about affection scenes at all. I mean, aside from you and me specifically, I think in total there were maybe 3 or 4 other forum goers who each mentioned it once in passing, and for them it didn't seem to be a deal-breaker as it is for you and me. It was more like "oh, bummer. oh well...".

So I don't know. Maybe enough players who loved the old HH quit by now that most of the current player base really is into Rosso's Frankenstein monster of a bad RPG with all the grind and none of the actual customization and strategy that the grind allows in other games, and they don't really care all that much about the sexy art... even though that's always been the one and only thing making this game stand out in my book.

🚬💵

EDIT: Just in case anyone has any doubt, this post reflects my own personal opinions and feelings about the game's direction. I'm not speaking on behalf of Kinkoid or in a moderator capacity at all, here. Cheers.

Edited August 17, 2023 by DvDivXXX
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[bolitho76]

From my side it's more exhaution. There seems no real chance to make Rosso/KK change his/their mind and so it's not really worth the effort.

I'm at the point to say: the only chance is, that enough paying players stop to pay and that KK will start to investigate why (even they should know...) before they shutdown the game(s). If they don't investigate what the players really wnat and without massiv changes from KK/Rossos side I don't think that the game(s) will have much more time until it(they) die. How the patreon income develop is a "last warning sign", but it seems that they don't want to see what this try to tell them.

[mdnoria]

I care but I just started upgrading Sexorcist Shegobara which is the first I upgrade with this treatment. Only the first 2 scenes and yeah... It seems like I'm in the story where the scene changes a bit between dialog lines but that's all.

I'm under the impression that scenes were revealing a bit more of the girl's persona before than now where I can guess what's the 2nd scene dialog with only the first one 😒.

I'm mainly here for the drawings and the stories which amuses me, but the forced micromanagement is not really what I signed for 2 years ago. It was just a casual H game with OK drawings (until I got some L5/more recent girls) and a funny story which made me chuckle.

Edited August 17, 2023 by mdnoria

[DvDivXXX]

Yeah, well... The first time they saw a significant drop of income, Rosso used Dating Tokens as a scapegoat (even making a point and proudly announcing in a Q&A that he fired the dev who had come up with that feature), completely missing all of the valid reasons why they were actually losing steam.

They've been losing steam more and more over the past year or so, obviously because of all the terrible grindy wannabe RPG features and all the predatory P2W monetization schemes primarily pushed by Rosso (who even proudly called it his "Vision"). And their response has consistently been to keep pushing even further in these two awful directions, and now on top of that they're cutting corners on what I would consider among the most valuable assets the game ever had: the art content. So unfortunately, I'd say the odds are slim to none of them (him) having an epiphany slash discovering humility and taking a fresh and objective look at the fundamentals of the game, its strengths, its weaknesses, and what attracts players to it in the first place.

Just like the casual homophobia and male insecurities all over Fab's writing only stopped when Fab stepped down and was replaced by someone more open-minded about sexuality in general and tolerant of other people's preferences... I don't see either the wannabe RPG garbage development wise or the predatory monetization business wise changing anytime soon unless Rosso steps down and gets replaced by a game director with a better grasp of what this game is about and better skills in designing features that play to the game's inner strengths rather than adding completely alien concepts to it, and/or a savvy business person who understands what makes a game thrive and get more and more traction in the long run rather than focusing on short-time and short-sighted cash grabs that actually reduce the company's popularity, trust from customers, and ultimately its income over time. And since Rosso is the (main) owner of the company as far as I'm aware... and he never struck me as the kind of guy who even has the ability to see his own mistakes, let alone own up to them and learn from them... I'm not holding my breath for real progress in either direction.

PS: I'm obviously speaking strictly from my own perspective as a long-time and passionate player and member of this game's community, here. I'm not speaking on behalf of Kinkoid, or Rosso, or with my forum moderator hat on. And yes, this is direct criticism, which is a type of honest feedback and should be perfectly acceptable. I'm not attacking either Fab or Rosso as persons, I'm simply describing what I saw them say and do to the game over the years, and how I feel about it. I hope that's clear and I don't get a slap on the wrist from a CM for speaking out of turn, this time. Because that would honestly be nothing short of censorship in my humble opinion. Cheers.

[mdnoria]

I think the predatory P2W monetization schemes and the cheapening of girls art is more a consequence of the clone games.

Even if the clones share the technical core of the games, each requires art/photos which needs to be paid to the artists/studios. But you are putting all which took years to be added to HH into these clones from nearly day one which requires to invest a lot of cash and expecting to have a return on investment in a longer term. Buy trying to keep-up with the long established HH rate of girls for other games, you are diverting revenues from HH into these clones and with the loss of income due to people quitting/paying less, you take action by reducing the costs where possible.

That's my outsider analysis on the thing.

[DvDivXXX]

I think this probably played a part, but to be fair the clones, at least the main four that they keep reasonably maintained and updated are apparently quite successful all things considered. Another very important point is that aside from Gay Harem and Comix Harem, they've moved from a production model where they actually have to recruit and pay artists to pump out new and unique content every month (just like HH) to one where they only need to crop and edit pre-existing stock photos from porn galleries they most likely bought a license to use in bulk (at least that would be the smart and cost-efficient way to go about it), which requires almost no work at all compared to using brand-new tailor-made art content as they're doing for HH, GH and CxH.

There's a reason why the latest clone to come out after Pornstar Harem has been Trans Pornstar Harem and not Futa Harem with drawn art content just like HH or GH. At least I think the main reason is because it's a lot cheaper to produce (and it requires a lot less staff to operate and maintain).

[EpicBacon]

I am sure a lot of people would gladly pay to get a Futa Rin (Bianca) just to stick it to Holymolly

[mdnoria]

It's not because something is successful that it generates enough profits to sustain its growth (not the same scale but twitter, facebook, uber, etc. took a long time to make profits).

And yeah you are probably right on the licensing for galleries of porn for PH/TPH, in the long run it would be cheaper

 

[Bardi]

22 hours ago, DvDivXXX said:

On top of that, as much as I didn't believe it for a second when CMs gave us mods a headsup about this change and added that they didn't expect a lot of negative feedback about it from the community (but they told us just in case, basically)... I must admit they were shockingly right. It seems that even among the most dedicated players, only a handful of us even gives a shit about affection scenes at all. I mean, aside from you and me specifically, I think in total there were maybe 3 or 4 other forum goers who each mentioned it once in passing, and for them it didn't seem to be a deal-breaker as it is for you and me. It was more like "oh, bummer. oh well...".

So I don't know. Maybe enough players who loved the old HH quit by now that most of the current player base really is into Rosso's Frankenstein monster of a bad RPG with all the grind and none of the actual customization and strategy that the grind allows in other games, and they don't really care all that much about the sexy art... even though that's always been the one and only thing making this game stand out in my book.

🚬💵

I haven't read through everything in this thread, but I feel very much addressed by this paragraph.

I've been playing the game since May 2019, so it's been quite a while. I'm online almost every day, do all quests etc, but I'm more of a casual player, so I don't read much here in the forum or min-max league and stuff.
In fact, the reason why I am in the forum now is because I wanted to know if something had been changed in the affection scenes, because I now got 3-4 girls, where the artwork from stage 1 to stage 2 /3 hardly changed. At first I thought the first 1-2 times it was an exception or they ran out of ideas, since they seem to value quantity more than quality, but apparently that's their way to go now?

I saw many changes over the years and often read the opinions here in the forum about the big changes. Kinkoid has really made so many bad changes and ignores the community so much, although I've seen some very active members here putting a lot of time and love into suggesting improvements.

Kinkoid is giving me more and more reasons not to play this game anymore...it can also be very time consuming, so I guess I'll actually quit now.
Not a big loss for Kinkoid, since I've only spent money 1-2 times so far, but well... this way you can of course scare away your player base

Edited August 18, 2023 by Bardi

[Master-17]

On 8/17/2023 at 3:41 AM, garadron said:

5 star CSQG's:

• Lihua (August 2023 Legendary Days)
• Sexorcist Shegobara (August 2023 Double Penetration - free girl)
• Ayame (August 2023 Double Penetration - paid girl)

I haven't read everything you wrote above and I'm not sure if you continue to make this list. I'll just say that Yura (from August 2023 Legendary Contest) is also one of those girls with 3 affection scenes.

[garadron]

14 hours ago, Master-17 said:

I haven't read everything you wrote above and I'm not sure if you continue to make this list. I'll just say that Yura (from August 2023 Legendary Contest) is also one of those girls with 3 affection scenes.

Thanks! I've added her to the list. My plan is to keep it updated as I hope we can still go back to proper affection scenes and this list would be helpful in the future when these girls will be revived so players can decide if they want to get them. We'll see how long I can keep this hope alive

[Master-17]

4 hours ago, garadron said:

Thanks! I've added her to the list. My plan is to keep it updated as I hope we can still go back to proper affection scenes and this list would be helpful in the future when these girls will be revived so players can decide if they want to get them. We'll see how long I can keep this hope alive

3 star CSQG's:

Succubus Dahila (passing now PoV)

Honō (passing now PoV)

1-affection scene girls

Edited August 23, 2023 by Master-17

[Master-17]

It seems that the developers have completely ceased to understand their target audience, since they began to save so much on the main functionality. All new girls come with a small amount of affection scenes, and that's what people get girls for. Why even play this game now?

[bolitho76]

The hope would be that the announced changes are a go back to the old, good normal, but the fear is that KK don't realize that the reducing of the art in the game is not only a coffin nail, it's a whole sacrophagus!

[garadron]

• Wet Kisa (August 2023 Path of Attraction - 1st free girl)
• Wet Murane (August 2023 Path of Attraction - 2nd free girl)
• Teaching Virginia (September 2023 Classic Event)

added to the list based on what I got recently

[Zamioc Yuki]

I feel your pain more than you think

I really hope a change will be made

[Master-17]

3 hours ago, garadron said:

added to the list based on what I got recently

There you can automatically add all released new girls, with the exception of Mythics and Seasonal Events' 5-star legendary ones. All other girls are released according to the "simplified" scheme.

[Master-17]

By the way, an interesting thing: in CxH, for example, all new released girls continue to come with a full set of affection scenes. It seems that several artists in the KK team who are responsible for HH have quit and now there is simply no one to draw the scenes.

[DvDivXXX]

8 hours ago, Master-17 said:

By the way, an interesting thing: in CxH, for example, all new released girls continue to come with a full set of affection scenes. It seems that several artists in the KK team who are responsible for HH have quit and now there is simply no one to draw the scenes.

Not that I know of. The main reason for the decision to cut corners on affection scenes in HH was that the powers that be at KK decided to pump out even more new girls, including at least 4 more L5s a month, without changing the art team's roster. So it's the other way around: they have as many artists hired for as much time as before but they're asking them to produce more content. And of course, since most of the extra content is reserved for the new monthly seasonal and bimonthly paywalled events, they couldn't make that content worse. So it's largely the F2P content that got gutted to make room for the extra workload instead.

TL;DR: It's not the Art Team's fault. It's a direct result of the same unhealthy business decisions that are already frustrating and even outright concerning for the player base. And how this was resolved is just another manifestation of how pronounced and deliberate the shift from a fair F2P game to a predatory P2W game really is.

PS: My own opinion as a community member, veteran player and long-time fan of this game in general (or at least how it used to be) and the art content in particular. Obviously not speaking on behalf of Kinkoid or as moderator, here.

[Master-17]

It’s a pity that this misfortune did not spare Boss Bang either. 

[garadron]

it's such a waste. we're playing a harem collection game and I don't feel excited about getting new girls anymore. If that survey they shared yesterday brings nothing or people actually care more about PvP than art, then I guess I'm done...

Fingers crossed? But I won't hold my breath  

[garadron]

From Discord, for how much it's worth:

 

So I guess I'm on a lazy mode for the next 3 months and we'll see what happens