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More like, one thing I really liked was when the patch went out where it was said, if reach x-amount of girls, common gifts would not appear in market. Then if had more x-amount of girls in harem, rare gifts would no longer appear in market. with this patch and change, all previous patches have been blown off the table and those silly very low items are back again. Considering the fact, that most of my harem girls already are at max and I have two that got their max 5 star upgrades. Those common gifts are now so stupid with some giving just 3 or 7 affection. I don't need to have those anymore, it was fine I only could buy epic and legendary gifts. Now we are stuck again with those stupid low items. Very awesome game upgrade there.

 

Income, has dropped so drastically. That it is not even worth it anymore to continue with this. I don't really care anymore what other patches will give, this one has done so much damage something that Kinkoid doesn't even realize. I am stuck for a while because I did not see this coming, otherwise I would not have bought a couple monthly cards in advance. I will have to sit this out on sake of that. Maybe things do get changed, and I really hope Kinkoid and his devs do realize that for the sake of keeping players, or just decide to pull the plug now. I don't know what is really worth more, but as I have seen, a few already had enough with this and if they really have decided to quit and being done.. Then I don't know anymore what is worth more to the devs. All what was mentioned in the patch notes, were only apparently positive things. No where was there a mention that every sort of income would get lowered, even the daily missions suck, with having next to some money, those ugh dumb low shitty affection items that many would just throw away as it doesn't add anything of value.

 

 

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Can we please have any clear statement from the devs if there going or not to change anything? In this and the other Thread we have exactly and more then enough pointed out what we all dislike with this Patch and want to change back or at least way better adjusted. A lot of people like me waiting to decide if there stay or not.

 

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6 minutes ago, Mortymen said:

That may be true @Encino (noticed that even before the update), but why put there some non-real players if we can't beat them ..from last 9 opponents i had about 6 i could not find (except if they were level 3-10 max with 40k or more ego as shown in arena :) ) ..what i try to say is ok, put some bots there too just to make sure people who go to arena will have who to fight if not many of us really play that, but make them as we real players are as i can't beat that never. I can't reach those numbers on stats, not even with boosters and you expect us to be able to beat those non-real players ..make them beatable at least.

I totally understand, and I agree. I am normally not caring for Arena at all. it doesn't really value for me anymore. It was wasting combat points. I have also already seen I have lost a few times already, even from someone that was just a little bit over on ego score. Then next one was someone that had a total lot higher ego, and I beat that. It really makes no sense. It is like I am back to my first month at Hentai Heroes where I got a lot of "You've Lost" results. Trust me, if I could change it, I would have lol. :)  But I am not a dev.

 

Kinkoid's response was: if you loose a battle, you can use boosters.  riiggght!!  as if that really solves anything. In my first month I got beaten the crap out of my character even with 4 boosters equipped. Because there was always one or two that was probably a bot that had a much higher ego than I was.  And now it is back to that same thing again.

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1 minute ago, Syrios said:

Can we please have any clear statement from the devs if there going or not to change anything? In this and the other Thread we have exactly and more then enough pointed out what we all dislike with this Patch and want to change back or at least way better adjusted. A lot of people like me waiting to decide if there stay or not.

 

Who knows, I have no idea. For the sake of keeping players, I hope the devs take action asap. there is enough feedback now posted in the past three days in both threads worth.

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1 minute ago, Encino said:

Who knows, I have no idea. For the sake of keeping players, I hope the devs take action asap. there is enough feedback now posted in the past three days in both threads worth.

We will see if they care for the playerbase or not, wouldnt be the first devs that ruins her game. After almost 20 years of gaming i learnt one thing: Nothing holds forever and there will be always other things ^_^

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Just now, Syrios said:

We will see if they care for the playerbase or not, wouldnt be the first devs that ruins her game. After almost 20 years of gaming i learnt one thing: Nothing holds forever and there will be always other things ^_^

Indeed.  ^_^

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13 minutes ago, Encino said:

Who knows, I have no idea. For the sake of keeping players, I hope the devs take action asap. there is enough feedback now posted in the past three days in both threads worth.

There's feedback on the Patreon and the site they post the patch notes, but last I checked them there was no response in either of those locations.

 

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Hopefully they are doing the responsible thing and rebalancing stuff even as we speak, or working up the next post for the next updates in hopes of quelling the angry masses.  And NOT just hiding like cowards after they realized they fucked up.

Regardless of what they are doing, if they want us to have ANY faith in them soon, they need to at least post that 'they have taken our concerns and complaints to heart and are working on rebalancing the system' or something of the sort.  Sure it sounds automated as hell but at least provide proof that they are reading the thread and working on something.  Silence to a group of angry people is a great way to make things worse.

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6 hours ago, LotsaPoppa said:

OOOkayy, riddle me this, Batman: Why does level 180 legendary gear have lower stats than level 129 legendary gear? Because SOMEONE DID AN ILL-ADVISED PATCH! All kidding aside, I save kobans faithfully to get a bonus girl and legendary gear, and the legendary gear I just got is all JUNK. None of it is anywhere close to what I already have, which is a good bit older in some cases. Is there any way you can fix this? It's going to be popping up again and again, as people start cashing in on Pachinko and seeing what a horrendous surprise they're in for.WastedKobans.jpg.dc717f5c3e4d3e5c6a7b92e78feaaa83.jpg

Up with that, them make 2 fight per hour from 3 fight per hour, now you lose mojo at arena... Rewards (prize) from pvp are lower with 90% because you get suck prize, pve are lower with 50% (world boss).

Gears got insane nerf and girl drop rate isn't better. Better go back at old version and create a vip option for people how want to spend money to raise energy and combativity...

Why you want to all people pay real money just because you make things insane hard? I'm level 75 and I can't do anything more now... New players will give up instant because game is so hard now (old gears are op).

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As for another note, the 'rewards' for doing daily missions are back for players over 101, and for me, most of them are green affection items.  I've got 46 girls, why am I getting garbage items?  One of them is even a grey. 

I can't make a profit off boss fights because you nerfed maximum fights and payout (and spare me the 'just level them up to get a better payout' crap, you know how long that'll take to get finalmecia to the point that she'll be breaking even?)

I can't make a profit off area, at best I get around 4K money and usually I lose the fights.


And now I see I can't make a profit off daily missions because instead of flat decent 10K or more payments I"m getting crap affection items that I can't even pawn off for good money and by your own previous system I should NOT be even getting.  If they were epic or legendary I'd let it go and call it a trade off cause I was just going to buy the affection items anyways, but now I'm getting crap items.

The ONLY thing that turns any sort of a profit at this point is the harem at a little over 77K for me if every girl is ready to pay out.

 

 

How long did you all actually 'test' this crap?  I refuse to believe proper levels of testing were done if damn near the whole community is up in arms over this.  I'm honestly surprised the story itself isn't broken.

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One more complaint, make the 'you lost' page for PVP shorter. It takes forever for it to float forward on the screen. I get it. I'm not strong enough. I don't really have a choice since I can't level up my girls or buy any better equipment now. Stop rubbing it in that I need to buy things I can't afford to do better. 

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5 hours ago, ZenMaster said:

No one farms a full day. So to keep it fully fair you should account for that as well I think. Say you deplete your combat before sleep, sleep off 8 hours then you'll come back to...  16 combat points. In the old days, 20 min. per 2 points, so 1 hour gives you 6 points. 8 * 6 = 40 points. But you can only have 20, so there's 20 points going to waste.

And everyone who has tried really hard to win a contest knows that not using your combat points basically adds to a disadvantage.

Uhm… I work from home. My computer is always on with a tab open to my most visited sites which includes HH. I have several virtual/screen timers running. They are timed "short" to allow me to return to the computer and site so when certain timers/conditions elapse, I'm ready to reset them. IU can get as close to "full days" as humanly possible. Even accounting for a few minutes off, math based upon ideal conditions is still viable for proving points. Especially when discussing *potentials*.

3 hours ago, Encino said:

Well, yes it is known a lot of these are not actual players. Mostly recognizable with names like Harry Potter.. etc.  Not sure, if can call this a scam though. It has always been that way since I ever started last year in July.  To be honest, I doubt if those were like real actual girls playing here, someone would choose to call them self, Sexgirl. lol.  (maybe I am wrong on that)

But for as being a bot, that is nothing new really. Always has been. Names that have movie characters, or all in caps, or with like -kun or -sama or whatever at the end. Are bots.

Actually, I'm a woman. You can find me on most sites under Love Robin, with and without space (sometimes Love Robin M on the very rare sites where "love robin" was already taken). I'm a bi woman, wife, mother, grandmother, writer, therapist, hentai, and admin on many sites and wikias. I've been playing games, including hentai and eroge, for over 30 years. For games I hardly ever use male names, mainly because most porn games are written with guys in mind. For example, on *League of Angels* I am/was known as *Master*.

Another reason I don't use female names is because I wish to play WITHOUT attracting the sort of undo attention I used to when walking into real world brick&mortar sex shops. The "if she is in *here*, then maybe I can hook up with her" attention and mentality. 

@Kinkoid, you are following the same path as most online games… the same tried and true example made cliché by street drug dealers: give free until they are hooked, then charge them. Only the super-wealthy remain. The rest of us who fit the financial classification of Middle-class, who have to set and stick to monthly budgets, often will not stay beyond certain thresholds.

HH is at the threshold it will start hemorrhaging players like crazy. Listen to your players and rethink the current roll-out of changes.

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21 minutes ago, Masters said:

 

Actually, I'm a woman. You can find me on most sites under Love Robin, with and without space (sometimes Love Robin M on the very rare sites where "love robin" was already taken). I'm a bi woman, wife, mother, grandmother, writer, therapist, hentai, and admin on many sites and wikias. I've been playing games, including hentai and eroge, for over 30 years. For games I hardly ever use male names, mainly because most porn games are written with guys in mind. For example, on *League of Angels* I am/was known as *Master*.

 

That is cool! :)

I never said there are no women playing Hentai Heroes. Infact, I do think there are women here because why not. I only responded to someone who removed his actual posting without quoting him. I was stating to him that it is possible the opponents he gets in Arena, are bots. The names he gave, he couldn't find in ToF.  And I do think women would choose a better name, than the obvious like Sexgirl or something. And on that, I could have been wrong.  But, thank you for saying you are a woman. It is nice to know that I was right for some others not to always think there are no women. Because there are women who like to play Hentai Heroes just as we men do. I did not mean any offense with my comment.

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I'm thinking the store and item rewards are tied into some little bit of code that got fucked up with this update.  I'd guess it is something with the check on how many girls you have being changed in the new system.  That's what is causing green and gray shit to pop back up.Yeah, this patch brought back the Grey and green items as quest rewards as well.  Really think something got fucked up on it.

 

I've spent about 1.5K Koban to grind Finalmecia to where Bremen was before the patch.  I was perpetually broke in trying to max girls affection and still unlock the event girls as they came out.  I got to the Plains of Ritual yesterday just after the patch came out.  Yes, there is a HUGE difference in the payouts, and it's WILL take a long LONG time to get the bosses payouts even close to where it should be.

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It could have all been tested as it was claimed by the Devs.   I think, I have already decided what to do and it is as following... I am going to quit this game as soon as my monthly cards expire.  I do not even wanna wait until something gets fixed, this was a horrible bad idea.  Some like the changes, fine.. I don't.  And I think I am not going to waste much more.  I don't think it is going back to where it was, this crap is going to stay.  I don't think it really needs more than a day to admit how fucked up this change was, to be honest, we were never told it would be this huge impact at all..  The real annoying thing I jucy can't stand anymore is when someone says it is now "Pay to Win", yes actually it should be, "Pay to Play" which is the right thing to say.  Win was probably chosen, even by myself, with having the win associating towards, winning a girl e.g. getting a girl.  I guess that brought the confusion...

 

But this has become a "Pay to Play" kind of game, and Kinkoid, you do not need to tell me that I am wrong and everything is for free.  It is not, when people have to start using their kobans to do reloads just because they don't wanna wait for your ridiculously long combat timer to fill combat points.  It is what it is.  We are all here, to get harem girls, that is what this game is advertised with. That you want to expand Arena, PvP, whatever, I don't care.  I am here only for the thing I have been doing since I registered here last year on the 1st of July.

 

People will start using their kobans to do refills and that is what costs the money, do not even start with saying you can get 150 kobans each day completing daily missions. We all know that, but most times, a girl doesn't drop in the first or second 20 combat points, so eventually, it is using kobans, earned free or not, for me has no meaning.  Because the last time when I was trying to get Loving Bunny, I almost used 5000 kobans.  And I am not kidding because that event girl refused to drop and I did like 30 to 35 reloads.  I have not seen anything yet drop from Bremen where I have one remaining of his harem girls, And I have battled him as much as I could this first day with new patch updates, NO LUCK AT ALL..  So, the next 7 day event, I am needing to spend again a few thousand kobans to get whatever and how many revival event girls are going to be available.  So, no need to tell me this is not "Pay to Play".

 

The last 7 day event, it was already very difficult for people to get all the three girls, where Cupid chan for some never dropped at all.  Don't believe me, go and check the harem heroes wiki.  I do not like sweettalk bs to say I see things wrong, I am having more intelligence than that.  You probably also do not really care if you loose paying members, how small it might be, cause I get it, monthly card is just € 2,99... But still, it is a form you invented so we as loyal players could support the hard work you all do.  But it is also a give and take for me, you made things worse with this patch update, even if some are telling you they like the changes. Those are probably also the ones that do not even look at the whole picture and get distracted with the first comic image.  When you spend kobans for reloads, it costs a player money.  Simple as that.  And using in the thousands is not going to be earned back that quickly. 

 

Many people have now given you the feedback, when I asked you if you would reconsider the 30 minutes to 20 minutes, you told me you desire to keep it as it is.  While everyone, combined in two different threads, have spoken that was a change they did not like as it was loosing out on battles by atleast 24 a day.  I do not call this a re-balance.  Then with all this junk (yeah basically it is junk, for my level being 182) Arena, Market, and Daily Missions spitting out common gift items that were either just 3 or 7 affection points, I can say things were kept from all of us. Next to trolls/bosses giving a fixed static set income, which increases only by 100 with each level they go up, you have given way less rewards to us now.  What is the point for us to go and fight these trolls like retards to level them up so they give more, it makes no sense.  But I get it, you created this game.  You could have given all these info and facts how low the money rewards was going to be, but you gave no numbers on that.  If I knew, this was going to happen, I would have not bought a few monthly cards in advance just two weeks ago.  So I am pretty much stuck with that too, have to wait till it runs out and expires.  I will probably log in once a day to collect those kobans, fight a troll 20 times, do the daily missions, and forward myself in the story.. But that will be about it untill the last day of the monthly card.  Then you have lost another paying member in me.

 

Probably it doesn't do you much and concerns you. Cause who am I, there are probably a lot more paying members that stay.  But I am sure, you also have lost some.  You do not need a lot of time to let everyone know what is going to happen now, even if it just was a small indication on your's and any dev's side.  Do whatever you think is good for the game, even if it is keeping everything the way it is now. But the truth is, counting all those messages that have been posted here and in the other thread, tells me majority is not liking this. If girl drop was one of the improvements with this new system, I can tell you it is not true, I also play on an account on Nutaku Harem Heroes, where I still need to get Loving Bunny, which is an event girl, who is more priority, she has not dropped there either. And I refuse to use up my kobans there.  This was a total huge disappointment because I liked this game very much. But I have no time for this kind of game where I only can click this and that... and then wait for 12 hours on energy and 10 hours for combat.  As I have already said many times, I do not care for Arena and those free fights.  And that is not going to change for me to do those three clicks each 30 minutes either.  But I am just done when my monthly cards have expired, because I can do other things instead.

 

That is all I am going to say on this....

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7 hours ago, trunks2585 said:

Hopefully they are doing the responsible thing and rebalancing stuff even as we speak, or working up the next post for the next updates in hopes of quelling the angry masses.  And NOT just hiding like cowards after they realized they fucked up.

Regardless of what they are doing, if they want us to have ANY faith in them soon, they need to at least post that 'they have taken our concerns and complaints to heart and are working on rebalancing the system' or something of the sort.  Sure it sounds automated as hell but at least provide proof that they are reading the thread and working on something.  Silence to a group of angry people is a great way to make things worse.

I don't think they fucked up or anything. As a matter of fact it is well thought out. Create a playerbase that is large enuf and then make the game a lot harder. Sure you'll loose a lot of players but that is taken into account. Enuf players will remain to continue the game.

As for rebalancing:

I predict a next patch where they will "take in the players concerns" and you will get greater rewards. Especially in the contests. As it is nobody will spend 150/240 kobans on the off chance of winning 52 kobans back. As a very "friendly" gesture they will reduce  the cost for a refill to 50/80 kobans and make the contestwinner earn maybe 200 kobans. This of course is solely done to intice players to spend more kobans to get a shot at that "great prize". Contests last for 3 days. Once you are invested enuf after a day or two and out of the free kobans you have been saving so carefully you will (consider to) buy kobans. This is how every pusher gets his addicts hooked.

Now isn't that a great business model.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, dirty harry said:

I don't think they fucked up or anything. As a matter of fact it is well thought out. Create a playerbase that is large enuf and then make the game a lot harder. Sure you'll loose a lot of players but that taken into account. Enuf players will remain to continue the game.

As for rebalancing:

I predict a next patch where they will "take in the players concerns" and you will get greater rewards. Especially in the contests. As it is nobody will spent 150/240 kobans on the off chance of winning 52 kobans back. As a very "friendly" gesture they will reduce  the cost for a refill to 50/80 kobans and make the contestwinner earn maybe 200 kobans. this of course is solely done to intice players to spent more kobans to get a shot at that "great prize". Contests last for 3 days. Once you are invested enuf after a day or two and out of the free kobans you have been saving so carefully you will (consider to) buy kobans. This is how every pusher gets his addicts hooked.

Now isn't that a great business model.

 

 

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Yeah, I'm getting that feeling too. EA tried that and lost 3 billion USD, but that was with a AAA game title and with the Star Wars brand. It's unlikely to happen here. However, I detest any firm that treats its consumers and customers like that. I'll stick around for a while to see how things go, but all monetary contributions I had planned (if I enjoy a F2P game that has MTX, I'll buy a few just to reward the devs' hard work every so often) are firmly on hold. If they keep down this path, I hope they are prepared for the massive wave of negative WOM advertising that will happen along side the vast majority of the player base to leaving.

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@Kinkoid

I don't think you fully appreciate exactly what the players want. 

Do you realize that after a couple weeks—less for those experienced with these types of games for many years—we stop reading the content!

Most, like me, just want to collect the girls and build our harems. We want the sex scenes. The Daily Missions? Click and wait. I don't even read what each mission is any more. Click and move to something else while it counts down.

Same for the Adventure. Spend the Energy, click click click wait. Now granted, HH has actual sex scenes which enticed *me* away from Big Bang Empire (where I'm Chlorine) where sex scenes never happen. But *reading* really is not required. I can sit on the end of my bed with my bluetooth thumbball and still see enough of the pictures to enjoy as I click past them. And for a writer to say she has stopped reading the content, you should take notice.

Here is the thing, you are not giving your clientele what they want. That's just poor business. Find a product consumers want, *give* it to tham, and then KEEP GIVING it to them. Many companies forget that last part and they fail and fold up. You managed to pull most of us jaded players in with actual images of sex where many a "porn" and "sex" game fail to deliver. But now you're failing to listen to what your customers want… 

Give us what we want and you'll engender LOYALTY in your players. Hell, *I* still play Illusion's Rapelay. I find it cathartic and have even shared copies with select therapy clients of mine for the same purpose. And Illusion pulled that game from their product line back in 2006 after widespread publicity backlash, but there is still a staunch and loyal community keeping it alive and remembered.

So give your consumers what they like want and like, and your game(s) could live long long lives.

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1 minute ago, test_user said:

Lol. And he didn't even counter any points people brought up at all. Just offered a different opinion with no reason

Which is why it gets the lowly 0/8 ratting in the troll-bait meter (tm). It was too obvious and needed more "irreverent effort" (tm), but at least it was original in that it was just a straight up claim without trying to support it with the debunked "Less battles, more money claim".

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Just now, Tommy55 said:

As a counterpoint to all the doom & gloom about the patch I'd just like to say the changes are FUCKING AWESOME!!! Heh heh heh

Ok so i lied. I dont really think the changes are fucking awesome, but I'm not unhappy with them either. Yes 72 is no doubt greater than 48 but that's an ailing pachyderm. ( a what? you say) ( an ill elephant) That's irrelevant, what's relevant is the answer to the question Is a*72 greater than, equal to, or less than b*48? where a is the old drop rate and b is the new drop rate. Unfortunately the answer is now and forever will be Who the fuck knows? We will be able to make an educated guess with enough trials but we dont have that atm. 

Yes I know that the bosses pay out alot less now but beat up on them and it will get better and I've been doing pretty well in the Arena, So far today I am 12-3, and won 197 points worth of affection items, a couple useless and nearly worthless boost items, 24k money, 224 mojo and 90xp. I feel as though I have been somewhat compensated for the loss of income from the boss fights.

Lastly i've done 65 boss fights with Gruntt so far and no girl has dropped but I.m not suprised by that. I've averaged about 160 fights and 4 days between boss girls for the past 2 months.

FYI Im Lvl 97 with 26 girls. dont know how much impact that has on the results but there you go.

You may a different opinion but I'm just saying the I dont think the changes are all that bad.

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1 minute ago, Tommy55 said:

...it will get better...

No it won't. Already ran the numbers on this and it doesn't get better. See below for an explanation:

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When she's [Finalmecia] below level 195, you are losing a lot of money each battle (and the battles that you can no longer fight). Each battle, subtract the winnings from 20k, and then subtract another 20k per hour because of the lost battle per hour. That's how much money you lost per hour because of the new system. Do that every day until you are finally not losing anything per battle (aka, level 195+), you can start working on the loss generated by the lost battles. Theoretically (and I'll get to why later), once you get to 0 cash lost per hour, stop the calculation and add up all of those numbers. That number is all the money you would have had on the old system, but the Dev decided to take from you because "we wanted more combats" (which now reads the same as EA's "we want to instill a sense of pride and accomplishment"). Only after you finally stop losing money, can you start to fill in that gap that was created. Now about that "theoretically" point...

 

A quick back-of-the-napkin calculation tells me that gap won't be closed. Ever. (26.5 * 2 = 53; 53 - 60 = -7) At max level, you are still losing an average of 7k ever hour compared to the old system (and no, PvP doesn't count as it's currently broken; there's no guarantee you will actually win the fights, nor is the reward in and of itself worth the effort [5k for a battle against someone 8 levels higher than me??? And that's the best payout I got, as one against someone 10 levels higher paid out only 4k, and no, there were no items in either payout]. There is no way you can breakeven with this system. In business terms, this is such a bad investment, that it should be avoided like the plague, ceteris paribus. There is no profit here.

Just in case you didn't know (due to the below), Finalmecia used to reward an average of 20/21k per fight (according to my experience, the range was from the upper 18k's to the lower 23k's). 

And a TL;DR for the quote: There is no point in which you will earn more money due to the changes. None. You might make more per battle, but the massive reduction in the number of battles ensures that it will never be more than what you have lost.

 

5 minutes ago, Tommy55 said:

Im Lvl 97 with 26 girls. dont know how much impact that has on the results but there you go.

Quite a bit, as you're not at endgame yet. The endgame is all but halted as far as progression goes. When it costs several million to upgrade the girls (in both affection items [each girl has affection numbers in the thousands, and the really useful items cost from 104k to 391k, that I've seen thus far] and the actual cost to upgrade [I've got one waiting at over 6 million and another at just over 8 million, that I'm "trying" to save up for, however new girls take priority as 147 per 11 minutes doesn't help me much in trying to save up), the loss of in-game cash really fucking hurts.

 

I do agree that not all of the changes are bad. I like the idea of leveled bosses, and given the reward for Arena, that shit should have been free a long-ass time ago. However, the massive increase to the combat reload timer and ungodly massive nerf to boss rewards (still getting less than 50% of Finalmecia's old rewards) outweigh all of the positive changes by a ton and a half.

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