Legendary Days Discussion

[Sovereign RHB]

3 minutes ago, Shidou said:

There are no options for your type. Hence read the line of content that came along it. That explains it

I'm trying here but this cryptic message doesn't help.

Am I a type? An what content are you talking about?

I've looked at my page but all it says is spamming.

If you refer to my reaction to shadowhamuu I was merely disagreeing with what I consider a misrepresentation of the facts on his part.

Or is it something else completely?

[Kassander]

On 3/23/2018 at 4:45 PM, JessieChan said:

The drop rate is adjusted to the period of time that the event will take place.
It's neither higher, neither lower. It's adjusted.

Jessie Kinkoid

40 minutes ago, Shidou said:

Negative feedback? It's a rare drop.  You're supposed to be LUCKY if you get a drop. If not, then you're bummed but no complains, just carry on.

Make up your mind. 

[Azhen89]

LOL ... getting warned for "spamming" which i didn't do , and where does it specify NOT to put spoilers. 

[Greetingz]

1 minute ago, Azhen89 said:

LOL ... getting warned for "spamming" which i didn't do , and where does it specify NOT to put spoilers. 

You're spamming spoilers. Everything is a spoiler if it's above base avatar. And as I recall you posted that same picture several times, containing spoilers.

[Ash01]

Well, now that we have had about 40+ pages full of complaints, i think i was extremely lucky this event as i got her within 40 battles (no koban spent). 😊😊😊

[Azhen89]

1 minute ago, Shidou said:

You're spamming spoilers. Everything is a spoiler if it's above base avatar. And as I recall you posted that same picture several times, containing spoilers.

I posted it twice , in 2 different topics , am i not allowed to do that ? How can you seriously consider 2 posts spam... Anyways , this is my last post here , i've been playing the game for almost 1 year and finally decided to post something with an added suggestion even  and i get warned. It's clear what kind of people run the game and the forum.

Have a nice day "moderator"

[Sovereign RHB]

Ah. I think I understand now.

2 minutes ago, Shidou said:

You're spamming spoilers. Everything is a spoiler if it's above base avatar. And as I recall you posted that same picture several times, containing spoilers.

Although I can't remember doing that. If it happened I'm sorry. It wasn't on purpose and I will take extra care now not  to do it again.

[Greetingz]

Just now, dirty harry said:

Ah. I think I understand now.

Although I can't remember doing that. If it happened I'm sorry. It wasn't on purpose and I will take extra care now not  to do it again.

You're aware that there is a "[.spoiler.] to contain it? Even crop it down to prevent it.

Aside of that ur not the only person. A good amount of people bragging about the drop, they got the same warning.

[mc004]

If you start banning people because they complain about the "legendary" event, then let me get it first. 

[ShadowHaamu]

37 minutes ago, Shidou said:

Negative feedback? It's a rare drop.  You're supposed to be LUCKY if you get a drop. If not, then you're bummed but no complains, just carry on.
Too many people obtained the girl in total. They had the drop rate too high in my opinion. 
All I see is complaining people that never played MMO's or any other game that had rare limited content. Kinda acting like spoiled brats in my opinion as a player.

Right. So, you're now comparing HH to many other MMO's and saying we, as players, don't understand how rare limited content works. Well, I have to ask you, do you yourself know how the rare limited content works?

Because many MMO or other games has either a) system were you can directly buy this limited content with your money, not buy attempts to get lucky with it, and b) if the game has 'buy attempts to get lucky' system, those games also have separate reward systems, giving players extra items/material after they hit certain attempts thresholds. This way, people using their money will get some actual benefits and not left empty handed. Yet, you got neither of these. As matter of fact, if this Legendary event taught players anything, it's that there is no point to use koban's on combativity refills. It's useless. A form of bait and switch.

Lastly, the way this post was written and the tone in it...... I can't really think worse mistake than this.

[Sovereign RHB]

14 minutes ago, Shidou said:

You're aware that there is a "[.spoiler.] to contain it? Even crop it down to prevent it.

Aside of that ur not the only person. A good amount of people bragging about the drop, they got the same warning.

I've been paging back and I think I found it. The 'won'  picture on p33. Mea culpa. From now on I will use spoilers always. Just to be sure.

Edited April 1, 2018 by dirty harry

[Greetingz]

4 minutes ago, ShadowHaamu said:

Right. So, you're now comparing HH to many other MMO's and saying we, as players, don't understand how rare limited content works. Well, I have to ask you, do you yourself know how the rare limited content works?

Because many MMO or other games has either a) system were you can directly buy this limited content with your money, not buy attempts to get lucky with it, and b) if the game has 'buy attempts to get lucky' system, those games also have separate reward systems, giving players extra items/material after they hit certain attempts thresholds. This way, people using their money will get some actual benefits and not left empty handed. Yet, you got neither of these. As matter of fact, if this Legendary event taught players anything, it's that there is no point to use koban's on combativity refills. It's useless. A form of bait and switch.

Lastly, the way this post was written and the tone in it...... I can't really think worse mistake than this.

The items you can buy from the store using money are still behind loot boxes and rng. They never guarantee you in anything if you buy it.
If you want to guarantee a drop from rng by using money. You're free to buy a faulty dice and to win in a casino.  

Once again, my opinion as a player.

[brassygirl]

10 minutes ago, ShadowHaamu said:

As matter of fact, if this Legendary event taught players anything, it's that there is no point to use koban's on combativity refills. It's useless. A form of bait and switch.

 

Yes.  A hard lesson to learn.  Especially for me.  Thank you for taking the time to spell it out.

[Greetingz]

10 minutes ago, Ronaldo 123 said:

Do you think this girl is a good idea for the game Rias gremory

Thats the third time. Go put your "suggestion", in Suggestions. This is not the place.

[Adrian'smole]

Just now, Ash01 said:

Well, now that we have had about 40+ pages full of complaints, i think i was extremely lucky this event as i got her within 40 battles (no koban spent). 😊😊😊

Yeah, there've been winners and losers, as per usual.  I use 6 accounts (3 mine) and I got her in 4 of them - all of these know-how.  No luck at all in the hardcore accounts, where I DID actually spend kobans for refills).  It was like a weird cosmic conspiracy, but I know it was just pure luck.  Yes, we were both really lucky.  You have to feel for those poor sods who tried and tried for no return.  I can understand 40 pages of vitriol, even though it's just venting spleen because it won't have much impact on HH.  For them (and 40 pages of commentary) the event was a roaring success: lots of kobans taken to the dump and real Euros spent to buy them.  They ARE running a business after all and staff have to be paid.

Sorry guys, but I did nearly wet myself reading some of the commentary, especially the heartfelt threats to quit the game.  No they won't!  Anyone who spends so many kobans on an event like this will be back for more because they've become pretty hooked into the gambling mentality...  "She'll drop this time!" and she doesn't (most times anyway).  If you want to encourage real change in HH, we must look to ourselves and see how hooked we'd become and how we dutifully responded to all the hype that went with the announcement of that so-called event.  Then we can change our own behaviour and not be so sucked in.  Human beings are so susceptable to a herd mentality, even if we delude ourselves that we are independently minded.

[jelom]

24 minutes ago, Shidou said:

You're aware that there is a "[.spoiler.] to contain it? Even crop it down to prevent it.

Aside of that ur not the only person. A good amount of people bragging about the drop, they got the same warning.

hello Shidou, I too had to say "mea culpa" for the spoiler image. It's not an excuse but as many people pasted it before, i didn't think much about it. Sorry. It is not good to write when you are at the same time excited and fatigued.

[brassygirl]

5 minutes ago, Adrian'smole said:

 -feel for those poor sods who tried and tried

we dutifully responded to all the hype that went with the announcement of that so-called event.  

Wow!!!   You got me down pat!!   Thanks for your time and  kindness to write this.  You described my actions perfectly!  hahaha.  

[ShadowHaamu]

3 minutes ago, Shidou said:

The items you can buy from the store using money are still behind loot boxes and rng. They never guarantee you in anything if you buy it.
If you want to guarantee a drop from rng by using money. You're free to buy a faulty dice and to win in a casino.  

Once again, my opinion as a player.

Well, I think we could start debating this matter even further, but I'll say just this. When it comes to exclusive content like this Legendary girl, most of MMO games do have at least one high price option to get the girl (or whatever rare content it is) for sure. And as we start talking about loot boxes, again many games has an option for boxes that gives a guaranteed higher quality item or even character in games. Basically, system like 10 x Epic Pachinko. So, buying that box guaranteed you get something worthwhile for your money. And again, when you buy loot box, you at least get something...but that's not the case with combatitvity refill and boss battles.

And really, if you want change this system and make people less upset or angry about battling low bosses in general, I have easy solution to alleviate the issues.

Add separate event section to activities part of the game. In this event sheet, we have event specific missions lasting for the duration of event. Doing these events then gives players some extra rewards for their efforts, which would then make even low level boss fights feel useful to players in some way.

These events could be like...

Fight (boss name) x times a day= money or random item

Gather X amount of money form (boss name)= money or random item

Fight (boss name) X amount times during the event= Money (like 50 fight, 10k cash, 100 fight 50k cash, 150 fights, 70k cash, 200 fight, 100k cash, 300 fight, 250k cash, 400 fight, 500k cash, 500 fights, 700k cash and so on)

Gather items from the bosses= money or random item

 

In any case, by doing something like above, players would get some extra rewards and even those unlucky ones doing hundreds of fights without getting girls would still get some benefit from those unlucky fights. And most importantly, this system would make players feel like their money wasn't totally wasted, like many did during this Legendary days event.

[Urist]

My former favorite MMO, when they did special events like this, would have it so that if you put in a decent amount of time towards the special event (and you/our group succeeded in the quest/task), you'd be more or less guaranteed to get the special item or whatever. People who couldn't find the time or weren't able to succeed could pay money for the special items. In terms of committing time, 72 hours = 144 battles, and if you went in with a full combat bar, as I did, that's 164 possible battles without spending cash. So, for the devs: calculate how likely it would be for a person to have gotten Levitya in 164 battles (don't post the probability, just note it for yourselves). In my mind, If it's less than, say 80%, the drop rate was too low.

 

And on that note, in what way does your company benefit from keeping the drop rate secret?

 

Edited April 1, 2018 by aaaaaaaacccc

[Greetingz]

2 minutes ago, ShadowHaamu said:

And really, if you want change this system and make people less upset or angry about battling low bosses in general, I have easy solution to alleviate the issues.

I'm not a dev or anybody in their team, I'm merely a player too lol.
I just happened to enjoy the trill to farm for rare items. I don't get bummed out if I don't get it tho.
That said, we're going off topic of the actual content of the thread.

[Sovereign RHB]

If I may be a little off topic still.

Does anybody know what the deal is with a warning point? Is it permanent or Does it last for a specific time? I'm not asking anything else like, what happens if you get more than one because I'm not planning to find out.

[Greetingz]

9 minutes ago, dirty harry said:

If I may be a little off topic still.

Does anybody know what the deal is with a warning point? Is it permanent or Does it last for a specific time? I'm not asking anything else like, what happens if you get more than one because I'm not planning to find out.

Off topic, but the don't do anything. Just a way for mods to see your previous "warnings". That said the time should be said next to it, if not its permanent.

[Asherandai]

4 minutes ago, Shidou said:

I'm not a dev or anybody in their team, I'm merely a player too lol.
I just happened to enjoy the trill to farm for rare items. I don't get bummed out if I don't get it tho.
That said, we're going off topic of the actual content of the thread.

Getting bummed is  a part of RNG. It's the flip side of elation when things go your way (I wonder what that feels like...). I agree that people should not be flipping tables over not getting her.

However you are completely 100% wrong about "rare drops" systems in MMO's. Limited time content is never so rare that less than half of people get it, and those that really grind and utilise every resource and opportunity available to them almost always get it. That's not even including the consolation rewards that generally come with said events. Regardless, the comparison is a poor one, and does not paint this event or game in anything even resembling a favourable light. If Levitya was set to return at some point you might have a case, albeit a very shaky one, however it was stated from the outset that she is a one time opportunity. For such a thing to be unobtainable buy paying players is just a no no. As much as I don't like it, you look after your paying players above all others. Without them you have nothing.

All that said my issue, and the main issue for most others, is not with the fact I didn't get her. With my god-awful luck I expected to not get her. No, its with the continual abuse of loyalty from Kinkoid. Every single event caters to new players, while long term players (AKA loyal players) get shafted, and not in a good way. It wasn't so bad when there was only one event per month, then it was manageable. But with what looks to be now 3 events per month, all of them catering to new players, we have 80% of our time taken up by Dark Lord, Ninja Spy, and Grunt. They had a golden opportunity to fix it when they did the boss levels update, but instead they made it worse. And that is the pattern we are seeing, constant abuse of loyalty by catering only to new players. When are they going to do something for us? When are they going to stop ignoring the issues of putting every single event on Dark Lord? When are they going to stop denying there is a problem and grow up? You may not be one of them, but you are closer to them then most of us, so maybe you are hearing something we aren't which is why you aren't pissed off. Either way, this is the real problem and the real cause of loss of paying customers. They don't appear to give a shit about us.

[TheMadaFucker]

Well, after seeing these 40+ pages, the only thing I can say is that the dev team must have had a nice spring vacation these days with all the money got from the guys who desperately tried to get her, but from now on will strugle, because if this is an example of what future events will be, those paying customers are and will start to leave...

I really hope they change things next time, if not, this game will die really soon...   

[Zorba the Geek]

I got done for spamming in this account.  I wish the moderator would spell out exactly what I did wrong.  I suspect it was because I posted a full image of Levitya and didn't crop - seen as a spoiler perhaps.  Considering this was the same image as was being promoted and is what appeared standing beside Dark Lord (even if reversed) this seems a particularly silly and petty decision.  Okay, I'm sorry.  I try my best not to spoil and I have been warned a few times, but, like a whole lot of contributors, I get carried away occasionally.

I apologise... And I apologise for bragging.  I appreciate, in retrospect, that I was insensitive to those desperate to get this girl and who failed (often spending real money to buy kobans so they could refill combativity).