Chicks with dick an or strapons

[hammer713]

I don’t know if any one else feels this way but I would like to see any chicks with dicksAnd more strapon play.thats all let me know if u feel the same way or if I’m alone in this notion?

[Kojot]

I believe there is a good number of players who would've liked it but, most likely, it won't pass. The rest of the players' community wouldn't be pleased by having a girl with a dick in their harem because it is not entirely heterosexual. Although, some may call it a kink but we know that kinks are very subjective. Read some posts about inhuman, monster-like girls. People hate them (not all of them, but a significant number does).

Even in the story, the Hero showed several times that he wouldn't enjoy contact with another dick/dildo. It is quite difficult to place transgender characters in both HentaiHeroes and GayHarem. I, personally, would love to see characters of all possible genders and species as I simply enjoy seeing everyone being themselves and different.

[hammer713]

Awesome thanks for ur feedback. I personally prefer the different color/ monster girls better. It Adds a little flavor to game I think. Y not add a little fantasy to it that’s the joy of it being a cartoon. Like the new god of war inspired legendary girl.

Edited September 3, 2020 by hammer713

[natstar]

It's not the first time it has been suggested and does not matter if you like it or not need varity in the selection to choose from.

[Chthugha]

World 14 has what you are looking for @hammer713.

[Observer_X]

8 hours ago, Chthugha said:

World 14 has what you are looking for @hammer713.

Unluckily, if you ask me. 😭

[Chthugha]

2 hours ago, Observer_X said:

Unluckily, if you ask me. 😭

Ienha is okay 🤔 to be honest, I'd liked it to go further than it did 😂

[Observer_X]

1 hour ago, Chthugha said:

Ienha is okay 🤔 to be honest, I'd liked it to go further than it did 😂

I can only hope that there is not too much people in the player community that thinks like you and @hammer713 😞

 

[windia]

12 minutes ago, Observer_X said:

I can only hope that there is not too much people in the player community that thinks like you and @hammer713 😞

 

Do you fear the other 500+ bisexual 100% girls could become minority?

Letting live in plurality. (or whatever the english idiom is)

(No, I neither understand the discussion about Gork or Natasha or whomever - they set some body type variations into the "normative stereotype" which is the best thing for a fantasy world like the haremverse) 

Edited September 3, 2020 by windia

[Kenrae]

2 hours ago, windia said:

Do you fear the other 500+ bisexual 100% girls could become minority?

Letting live in plurality. (or whatever the english idiom is)

(No, I neither understand the discussion about Gork or Natasha or whomever - they set some body type variations into the "normative stereotype" which is the best thing for a fantasy world like the haremverse) 

I guess the word you're looking for is diversity

I don't understand the problem neither. Not my cup of tea, but I'm not bothered by it a single bit.

[Observer_X]

1 hour ago, windia said:

Do you fear the other 500+ bisexual 100% girls could become minority? 

I am not sure that I understood correctly here, but if I did, simply, IMHO "bisexual" is one thing, "futanari in a (mainly) heterosexual game" is another. Let me be clear, I don't have anything against transgender people in general, I simply think that a transgender "girl" in a game like Hentai Heroes is out of place (both in the heterosexual and in the gay version of the game). The fact that makes the thing worse in the specific case is that the "girl" in question is one that every player will be forced, sooner or later, to obtain, because it is found on a world villain. If the two (Ienha and Nike) had had reversed roles, the situation IMHO would have been more (allow me the term) "correct" and I would have had nothing to complain.

1 hour ago, windia said:

Letting live in plurality.

Also don't sure I have understood correctly here, but if I did: no. There is an heterosexual version and a gay version of Hentai Heroes, and as I said above, transgenders would not place themselves well in neither of those, meaning that I think that there is a quite broad slice of players that would be quite unhappy about it (just rethink about the ruckus that came out after the first players ended the Magic Forest). "Letting live in plurality" is an outstanding concept in the real world, but not in HH. Obviously, this is my own thinking, I am not trying to convince or lecture anyone.

[Chthugha]

10 hours ago, Observer_X said:

I am not sure that I understood correctly here, but if I did, simply, IMHO "bisexual" is one thing, "futanari in a (mainly) heterosexual game" is another. Let me be clear, I don't have anything against transgender people in general, I simply think that a transgender "girl" in a game like Hentai Heroes is out of place (both in the heterosexual and in the gay version of the game). The fact that makes the thing worse in the specific case is that the "girl" in question is one that every player will be forced, sooner or later, to obtain, because it is found on a world villain. If the two (Ienha and Nike) had had reversed roles, the situation IMHO would have been more (allow me the term) "correct" and I would have had nothing to complain.

Also don't sure I have understood correctly here, but if I did: no. There is an heterosexual version and a gay version of Hentai Heroes, and as I said above, transgenders would not place themselves well in neither of those, meaning that I think that there is a quite broad slice of players that would be quite unhappy about it (just rethink about the ruckus that came out after the first players ended the Magic Forest). "Letting live in plurality" is an outstanding concept in the real world, but not in HH. Obviously, this is my own thinking, I am not trying to convince or lecture anyone.

Ienha is not a transgender. And neither are Futanaris in hentai. They usually are hermaphrodites with the one male thing being a cock, or cock and balls. So basically just a woman in everything except that extra appendix. And sometimes the cock isn't even always there. Anyway, Ienha is technically not a futanari, but more like the classical figure Hermaphroditus. Transgender however is a completely different thing all together. That would imply all futanari have changed or want to change their gender, because they feel like they are assigned the wrong gender. This is never the case.

[DvDivXXX]

12 hours ago, Observer_X said:

I don't have anything against transgender people in general, I simply think that a transgender "girl"

I'm sure you don't mean any harm, my friend, but putting the word girl in quotes doesn't go well with the first half of this sentence. The very firs thing to do if you don't have anything against transgender people is calling them by their relevant gender, without being ironic or ambiguous about it. Along with being mindful of pronouns. A transgender woman is a woman, and you can refer to her as she. No quotation marks. A transgender man is a man, and you refer to him as he. There are more diverse cases and some people will specifically prefer to be called something else or consider themselves gender fluid etc. but as a rule of thumb, just call a woman a woman. Not a "woman".

Apart from that, although I wouldn't mind trans girls in the game at all (especially with Solveig's fetish for them that was introduced very early on and never led to anything), I'm more disappointed by the lack of experimentation and openness of the hero with his sexuality in general, and notably about anything that can somewhat be perceived as challenging his adopted macho man fantasy persona. Not only has he consented to some strapon action exactly once (that I'm aware of, I haven't finished the adventure and haven't seen all affection scenes, obviously), but on countless occasions there were situations that basically called for this kind of stuff, but were used to show how it should obviously be considered as a haha joke or feared like the plague by the hero and/or writer(s). And there are similar scenes for basically any kink that even vaguely puts the girl in charge, or requires the hero to be more confident of his own sexuality and trust his partners, with the implicit cliché that he can't possibly do this or that even with a girl, because that would be "gay" in the "bad thing" sense of the term as used by a number of insecure heterosexual men. I'd like the game and the character to go way past that already, and give us more variety. A girl can stimulate your prostate with a finger or two, or even a dildo, dude. And it shouldn't be seen as a cartoon-ish joke/trap when one suggests you taste your semen as part of your intimate experiments. At the very least, you should put that in perspective with the fact that every single girl you interact with has to take it up the ass, be open to lesbian sex, and enjoy freaking bukkake... Hell, you don't even use your tongue all that much in most sex scenes. It's the base level insecure wannabe macho nerd textbook mainstream porn scene over and over again. That's boring as hell. You don't exist to remind us of mainstream 80s porn films in visual novel form. You're here to be our guide and representative to explore a whole universe of sexual fantasies. "Worship my dick and be a good girl" is one of them, sure, but we've had 4 years of that; try to vary a little.

Edited September 4, 2020 by DvDivXXX

[Chthugha]

Variety is the spice of life. The problem is that Kinkoid has steered away from those subjects for so long, that the game has gained a certain following of players who are not that open minded. So anything less vanilla is already frowned upon by a group of players. Think about the spirimons or girls like Deniz (one of my favourites). Those are already complained about, because they do not resemble humans enough. To be honest, for me they should go further for a couple of events and scrolls in a row. Unfortunately Ienha's scenes has convinced me they will steer away from it again.

Edited September 4, 2020 by Chthugha
Couple of phone typos

[windia]

The term "coming out" is also related to "coming out of the closet and show your true self = accept the fact that you are not straight hetero = that you are gay/trans/..."

This exists because people hid their sexuality "in the closet where noone can see it". 

Or in other words: "yeah, of course there are gay people, they might do whatever they want, I'm not homophobic. BUT not in my eyesight!"

As John Snow in GoT says: everything before the but(t) is bulls...

 

Regarding the Haremverse, I go back to Begin City:

• Bunny explains how things work: 
  • everybody fucks everybody - with consent
  • sex is free and shared - with consent
  • if you build a harem, the harem "owner" helps the harem members to improve and the members help the owner to get a bigger harem...
  • so harem is kind of binding to help each other getting better - to fuck around with anyone^^
• MC has no complains about fucking anyone that has boobs & pussy
  • and yet does not even thought of what it means to receive anal sex all along while he gives it!
  • so there we are: room for improvement! Even on MC!

A girl fucking a girl is lesbian sex is homo erotic - and mixing a guy in makes it bisexual for the girls. Yet a "hetero macho" thinks this is still straight sex! omg -.-

The haremverse in sex in all manners and to be good it needs consent. This fucking around is why MC defends the world against Jackson!

And I really think there is lot of improvement for the MC to discover all flavours of sex - this is haremverse!

 

So I call a man a man if he calls himself a man. And a woman is a woman if she feels so. If she feels to be just a "noncategorized human" - then I call her a human. There is no "human" or "man" - that is like saying this is not a human.

Edited September 4, 2020 by windia

[hammer713]

Damn guys, I don’t check an this post for a few days and I feel like it exploded.
 

I mean one of my fav scenes was in the evil laboratory in ninja village where the one guy get fucked by the purple monster chic x-458 And that was only a few panels. But seriously thanks for all the debate about it. Im new to admitting that thats something I want to see.

even in the gay harem why is there no girls at all. All peck no tits as far as I’ve gotten. Some look feminine but why not give it that extra push to make it better  

 

Edited September 5, 2020 by hammer713

[DvDivXXX]

1 hour ago, hammer713 said:

even in the gay harem why is there no girls at all

That's the main thing that gave me a weird vibe when I tried GH. There are plenty of male characters in HH, "even though" it's mainly targeted at people interested in girls. Why people interested in guys would need an entire Smurf-like universe devoid of female characters altogether? My best guess is that it's inspired by yaoi, knowing that a lot of GH's fanbase is apparently comprised of women who like to watch man on man action only, and might (or at least they're assumed to) see the presence of female characters as a distraction.

At some point early on in my discovery of the Haremverse, the existence of GH, as well as the fact that there is a fair bit of variety including some femdom in the early chapters of HH's story compared to later on, gave me the impression that this was a fairly open world in terms of sexual fantasies and that things like a bisexual crossover might even be possible further down the line. As @Chthugha said, they apparently backpedaled on that and made HH quite vanilla after the first year or so, and to this day (although there are hints that they might be considering opening up again, like the recent bondage-themed stuff). When we got Anniversary Fairy recently and the initial strapon thing from 4 years ago was hinted at, I was very disappointed that it was only to essentially retcon it into a past mistake to be forgotten. I expected the exact opposite.

Edited September 5, 2020 by DvDivXXX

[Observer_X]

Allow me to explain with a few sentences. First of all, there is the game and there is the real life, and although they interact for the purpose of playing, I don't like to mix the considerations about each one.

When I come to the game, although this in the latest times has decreased, I come to relax, and to relax I wish to find something that I like. In this context, to me doesn't matter words choices or definitions, like transgender, futanari or the like, as I used them in the (wrong) hope to be understood: the true point is that Ienha is an haremette with a cock (by the way @DvDivXXX, the brackets were in reference only to Ienha and the game, nothing to do with real life, although I don't agree with you about what should be the terminology to use). In my harem, real cocks other than mine (including tentacles) are not welcome (I can stand the girls using toys, until they stay away from my ass). Point-1. The only reason that will make Ienha enter my harem is that I can't avoid it because she is on a villain, and at that level, even with the scarce drop rate I had until now, the 300 shards for the 3 haremettes will probably drop long before her maximum tier 1 level. As a player, this situation gives me stomach ache, and, as I did for other things in the past, I feel free to complain about it. Point-2. As it may be obvious after this, I don't find the lack of experimentation in the game boring, and I would like it to continue as before (by the way @DvDivXXX, as I see it, the scene at the end of the Magic Forest was more obligation than consensus). Point-3.

The real life is IMHO a completely different thing. Sexual preferences and sexual identity, at least at birth, are not things that one is free to choose. In adulthood today one can change his or her sexual identity if he or she wishes so, and by that time that person should reasonably expect that his choosing and his sexual preferences are respected (note: respected, not shared) by other people in general, and anyways, a person is normally not obliged to interact with people who do not respect his choices. Sure, intolerant people is everywhere, and intolerance has different grades, some of which one can pass over, other maybe not. As we all know, people are different. Personally I don't agree with some things that were said above. Call me of strict view, if you wish, but my main point is that in real life what one does in his bedroom should stay in his bedroom, regardless of sexual preferences or sexual identity. Just as an example of this, I'll use for another category what I said above: personally I don't have nothing against gays, but I don't like seeing every few months around the world a Gay Pride: every time I see notice of one I got the sensation that the gay community is challenging the entire world to become intolerant, a thing I find irritating. As it should be clear up to now, I don't agree with Jon Snow about the sentence posted by @windia:

On 9/4/2020 at 9:34 PM, windia said:

 "yeah, of course there are gay people, they might do whatever they want, I'm not homophobic. BUT not in my eyesight!"

Although there is way and way to tell things, for me that is NOT bullshit. As I said above, "letting live in plurality" is a great concept in real life, but there is the need to add to this that everyone has the right to choose for himself (of herself), and be respected for his choices... as strange as it may sound, even intolerant people. After all, it is not so hard to have roles switched: I am heterosexual, and would welcome only true women in my bed. Should someone tell me I am a bigot because I refuse to have different experiences, in that case probably I would be the one to call intolerant that someone, and would be almost certain that many of the people that knows me really well (sure, not all, after all, as I said, people are different) would agree with me.

All in all, as I see it, the only thing that the considerations about the game and the real life have in common relative to the topic is that tastes are tastes: each player has the right to state his own ones and to say that he does not share other players ones, but no one has the right to blame or lack respect to someone else for his tastes.

Well, more than the few sentences i wished, but I hope to have been better understood.

[DvDivXXX]

1 hour ago, Observer_X said:

Well, more than the few sentences i wished, but I hope to have been better understood.

I understand the message you mean to convey, I'm pretty sure (as I did in your previous post), but I don't think you're being very successful at getting it across. Language barrier and maybe cultural differences probably come into play here. I know you're a fairly reasonable and respectful person at heart, and you wouldn't say potentially hurtful things knowingly. You're just not really aware of what can be problematic in the terms and examples you use to make your point, or why they're problematic.

I don't want to go too deep into the really serious implications of some of our divergences in perspective, but I will at least state them for the record. Your example about feeling uncomfortable with (or, if I read between the lines, a bit threatened by) things like the Gay Pride as a heterosexual is understandable, as in I can see where your discomfort is coming from. It's just a gut feeling "I'm not into this, why do they have to show it to me? leave me alone!". However, a little effort to research and understand why and how such things were established would give you a bigger picture to look at, and your empathy towards all the prejudice and injustice LGBTQ people went through for decades, as a tolerant and respectful person, should greatly outweigh your mild personal discomfort as an individual. Those things are reminders of a time not so long ago (and, sadly, still a current reality for many people in many parts of the world) when it was socially acceptable to discriminate and even persecute non-straight people. It's not about showing off for showing off's sake, let alone about converting anyone to anything. It's a party where people who differ from the majority remind us "hey! we exist and we're people too". Basically, this type of thinking can be applied to any manifestation of society's long and tedious acceptance process towards any "minority" (and here I'm using quotes because this term is practical for this kind of discussion, but not exactly accurate in many cases; if we just go by numbers). You know, whenever a major discrimination issue is being discussed in a large enough forum, there will always be at least one dumbass to ask "oh yeah? so why don't we have a Men's Day then?" or to complain about a lack of #WhiteLivesMatter, and so on. You do not want to come across as, let alone be that guy. Obviously, all lives matter, and all human beings should have equal rights, and if that were the case, then we wouldn't need any of these movements. These movements exist because racism, sexism, and many other things -ism exist. Until we eradicate all bigotry or at the very least all its direct impact on people who don't conform to whatever standard more average people have decided to set up for everybody, then we will need social rights movements, organizations, and overall awareness. It doesn't work the other way around.

Anyways, words matter. And here's the issue with the ones you're choosing in this conversation:

1 hour ago, Observer_X said:

I am heterosexual, and would welcome only true women in my bed. Should someone tell me I am a bigot because I refuse to have different experiences, in that case probably I would be the one to call intolerant that someone

You're missing the point here. The issue isn't that you're only interested in cisgender women as sexual partners, it's that you call that "true women", which de facto insults all women who don't match that criteria. No one wants you to have sex with a trans woman just to prove you're not a bigot, we don't care what you do in your bedroom. Instead, just prove you're not a bigot by not using bigot rhetoric.

Not being physically attracted by, for instance, black women is a matter of taste and it's not racist in and of itself. That's absolutely fine, as long as it's really just that and nothing more. However, since it could easily be confused as racism if you don't choose your words carefully, and passing for a racist over a misunderstanding is something tolerant people would typically find very unpleasant and want to avoid... then if this preference comes up in a conversation, you should choose your words carefully. You don't need to go on the defensive with the classic "I don't have anything against them, BUT" because that's a misconception to begin with. There's no but. Seeing black people as people who happen to be black should hopefully be the default, and having or not having a physical attraction towards them doesn't contradict that. So it's not a "but". And spelling out that you're not a racist isn't any more necessary to explain that you're not into black women than it is to explain you're not into brunettes, even in front of a female friend who happens to be a brunette herself. "I'm not attracted to you" doesn't have anything in common with "I challenge the human being status of you people".

The same applies for any other type of people. You don't need to be gay or to change anything about your own sexual identity to befriend gay people, for instance. Assuming so and feeling uncomfortable around gay men as a straight man is just a telltale sign that you haven't been around many gay people and you're mostly going by clichés, rumors or vague preconceptions you happen to have about them. That's understandable, it depends on your background and life story mostly. But it's a good thing to realize it and maybe get a little bit curious about what the reality might be on that topic when you get the chance, if only to understand things better, and be more comfortable as a result.

I hadn't checked Ienha's poses before this thread, but I did now, and I must say I'm pleasantly surprised and cautiously optimistic about this entire topic now. I'm looking forward to her attraction scenes, although I'm not getting my hopes up that our hero will go the extra mile with her. In any case, she's very clearly a hermaphrodite, and seems to identify and be very largely identifiable as a woman, apart from that one anatomical bonus she has. So she's a she, and you can definitely call her a GIRL. A girl with a cock if you want to be that specific, yeah, but you don't have to. Using "a girl" instead is not okay. And acknowledging that she's a girl doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you're interested in her. I'm sorry you feel so strongly against trans women or hermaphrodites entering your harem in this game, but then again you are extremely particular about who deserves to enter your harem or not to begin with. Unfortunately, this game wasn't designed with people who'd rather avoid collecting a girl in mind, since it's a... girl collection game. But oh well, you can just leave the girls you dislike at 0 stars and you won't have to watch them. No need to insult them or, by proxy, those attracted by them (which is essentially what your "right to complain about it" does first and foremost). You could renew the suggestion to the devs for the option to delete girls from your harem, though.

In any case, I hope we understand each other a bit better now, on this topic anyway, and if not, then I kindly agree to disagree and would be thankful if you do the same, friend. Cheers.

Edited September 6, 2020 by DvDivXXX

[windia]

12 hours ago, Observer_X said:

[...]  As it may be obvious after this, I don't find the lack of experimentation in the game boring, and I would like it to continue as before (by the way @DvDivXXX, as I see it, the scene at the end of the Magic Forest was more obligation than consensus). Point-3.

The real life is IMHO a completely different thing. Sexual preferences and sexual identity, at least at birth, are not things that one is free to choose. In adulthood today one can change his or her sexual identity if he or she wishes so, and by that time that person should reasonably expect that his choosing and his sexual preferences are respected (note: respected, not shared) by other people in general, and anyways, a person is normally not obliged to interact with people who do not respect his choices. Sure, intolerant people is everywhere, and intolerance has different grades, some of which one can pass over, other maybe not. As we all know, people are different. Personally I don't agree with some things that were said above. Call me of strict view, if you wish, but my main point is that in real life what one does in his bedroom should stay in his bedroom, regardless of sexual preferences or sexual identity. Just as an example of this, I'll use for another category what I said above: personally I don't have nothing against gays, but I don't like seeing every few months around the world a Gay Pride: every time I see notice of one I got the sensation that the gay community is challenging the entire world to become intolerant, a thing I find irritating.

 

[...] All in all, as I see it, the only thing that the considerations about the game and the real life have in common relative to the topic is that tastes are tastes: each player has the right to state his own ones and to say that he does not share other players ones, but no one has the right to blame or lack respect to someone else for his tastes.

Well, more than the few sentences i wished, but I hope to have been better understood.

To start with the last paragraph: Yes, freedom of speech gives you the right to talk about your pov - and me to talk about mine. And there is no obligation to listen - hence it helps in communication - like we do.

While all words reflect you opinion, I'd like to concentrate on what I left over:

Yes, at the end of Magic Forest the MC tried to avoid it, strictly speaking it was no consent. Then again the scenes before where by command as well. Not so easy as the result should never simply justify the process.

Now the bigger part:

• sexual preference & identity at birth: check, agree
• change sexual identity at adult: check, agree (depends on society)
• sexual preference respected not shared: check, agree
• what you do in your bedroom should stay in your bedroom = check, agree
• "a csd = the gay community is challenging the entire world to become intolerant" = nocheck, disagree
  • Do you think the people walking alongside on a csd are only non-heteroes?
  • What do you think a csd tries to achieve?
  • Do you watch TV? Or surf the internet? - When you take a look at advertisment that uses an erotic/ romance note - what sexuality do you see in usage?
  • Do you watch movies? Is there any flirting, sexual teasing, fucking? - What kind of sexuality do you see in usage?
• When you walk the streets - what kind of couples (holding hand, kissing) do you see?

My answers to the questions - what are yours?:

• on a csd there are most sexual identities & preferences  - at least heteroes are walking among them. The smaller a csd, the less likely for all
• a csd tries to achieve the same rights and respect for every sexual identity (that complies with the UN human rights) in laws and daily live
  • not more and not less. 
  • That when you speak about your weekend, as a man are not forced to say "my girlfriend" or "me alone" while you have a "boyfriend"
• I do. And I see heterosxualism everywhere: the valentine's gift a man should by for his woman. A flower given by her boyfried pleases a woman. Sexy lingerie worn by a woman to please him.... - hence any flirting the refers to man/woman
  • what I usually never see: any flirting that refers to man/man or woman/woman (to call the most obvious non-hetero)
  • ever saw this ad? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxnteUkF5s4
• I do. And I see heterosxualism everywhere: the woman that makes the man nice eyes to get a drink sponsored. The man that marries/kisses/fucks a woman.
  • what I usually never see: any flirting that refers to man/man or woman/woman (to call the most obvious non-hetero)
  • big exception: Broke Back Mountain - one movie in a gazillion
• I see only heterosexual couples  - while 10% should be nonhetero... (others say 5, others say 20)
  • with seeing I say: two people holding hands, kissing ech other, flirting, ...

(I might add other ads in their "both counterparts" later on)

Edited September 6, 2020 by windia
answer as spoiler

[windia]

Regarding the "what happens in my bedroom stays in my bedroom":

That is why I asked for "which sexuality do you see in ads?" - because teasing whit that what will happen is used widely in advertisment.

And _this_ kind of visibility tells you how much non-hetero sexuality is accepted/ respected. 

So when you say "don't wanna see a csd all day long" - what should a gay person say while seeing in ad and movies only hetero sexual identities? He/She gets bombarded with "not their type for sexuality"? The same thing you complain about?

 

So while I struggle a bit to find very nice comparison, I might start with that link for the question "gay ad anywhere?": https://marketingtherainbow.info/ 

Maybe I leave it be with that link to avoid flodding the hh forum^^

Okay, one before I'm done: http://www.beresources.co.uk/everything-before-but-is-bullshit/ 

(I hope the URL itself tells you the topic so I hope you know enough to decide to click it or not)

Edited September 6, 2020 by windia

[Chthugha]

10 hours ago, DvDivXXX said:

I understand the message you mean to convey, I'm pretty sure (as I did in your previous post), but I don't think you're being very successful at getting it across. Language barrier and maybe cultural differences probably come into play here. I know you're a fairly reasonable and respectful person at heart, and you wouldn't say potentially hurtful things knowingly. You're just not really aware of what can be problematic in the terms and examples you use to make your point, or why they're problematic.

I don't want to go too deep into the really serious implications of some of our divergences in perspective, but I will at least state them for the record. Your example about feeling uncomfortable with (or, if I read between the lines, a bit threatened by) things like the Gay Pride as a heterosexual is understandable, as in I can see where your discomfort is coming from. It's just a gut feeling "I'm not into this, why do they have to show it to me? leave me alone!". However, a little effort to research and understand why and how such things were established would give you a bigger picture to look at, and your empathy towards all the prejudice and injustice LGBTQ people went through for decades, as a tolerant and respectful person, should greatly outweigh your mild personal discomfort as an individual. Those things are reminders of a time not so long ago (and, sadly, still a current reality for many people in many parts of the world) when it was socially acceptable to discriminate and even persecute non-straight people. It's not about showing off for showing off's sake, let alone about converting anyone to anything. It's a party where people who differ from the majority remind us "hey! we exist and we're people too". Basically, this type of thinking can be applied to any manifestation of society's long and tedious acceptance process towards any "minority" (and here I'm using quotes because this term is practical for this kind of discussion, but not exactly accurate in many cases; if we just go by numbers). You know, whenever a major discrimination issue is being discussed in a large enough forum, there will always be at least one dumbass to ask "oh yeah? so why don't we have a Men's Day then?" or to complain about a lack of #WhiteLivesMatter, and so on. You do not want to come across as, let alone be that guy. Obviously, all lives matter, and all human beings should have equal rights, and if that were the case, then we wouldn't need any of these movements. These movements exist because racism, sexism, and many other things -ism exist. Until we eradicate all bigotry or at the very least all its direct impact on people who don't conform to whatever standard more average people have decided to set up for everybody, then we will need social rights movements, organizations, and overall awareness. It doesn't work the other way around.

Anyways, words matter. And here's the issue with the ones you're choosing in this conversation:

You're missing the point here. The issue isn't that you're only interested in cisgender women as sexual partners, it's that you call that "true women", which de facto insults all women who don't match that criteria. No one wants you to have sex with a trans woman just to prove you're not a bigot, we don't care what you do in your bedroom. Instead, just prove you're not a bigot by not using bigot rhetoric.

Not being physically attracted by, for instance, black women is a matter of taste and it's not racist in and of itself. That's absolutely fine, as long as it's really just that and nothing more. However, since it could easily be confused as racism if you don't choose your words carefully, and passing for a racist over a misunderstanding is something tolerant people would typically find very unpleasant and want to avoid... then if this preference comes up in a conversation, you should choose your words carefully. You don't need to go on the defensive with the classic "I don't have anything against them, BUT" because that's a misconception to begin with. There's no but. Seeing black people as people who happen to be black should hopefully be the default, and having or not having a physical attraction towards them doesn't contradict that. So it's not a "but". And spelling out that you're not a racist isn't any more necessary to explain that you're not into black women than it is to explain you're not into brunettes, even in front of a female friend who happens to be a brunette herself. "I'm not attracted to you" doesn't have anything in common with "I challenge the human being status of you people".

The same applies for any other type of people. You don't need to be gay or to change anything about your own sexual identity to befriend gay people, for instance. Assuming so and feeling uncomfortable around gay men as a straight man is just a telltale sign that you haven't been around many gay people and you're mostly going by clichés, rumors or vague preconceptions you happen to have about them. That's understandable, it depends on your background and life story mostly. But it's a good thing to realize it and maybe get a little bit curious about what the reality might be on that topic when you get the chance, if only to understand things better, and be more comfortable as a result.

I hadn't checked Ienha's poses before this thread, but I did now, and I must say I'm pleasantly surprised and cautiously optimistic about this entire topic now. I'm looking forward to her attraction scenes, although I'm not getting my hopes up that our hero will go the extra mile with her. In any case, she's very clearly a hermaphrodite, and seems to identify and be very largely identifiable as a woman, apart from that one anatomical bonus she has. So she's a she, and you can definitely call her a GIRL. A girl with a cock if you want to be that specific, yeah, but you don't have to. Using "a girl" instead is not okay. And acknowledging that she's a girl doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you're interested in her. I'm sorry you feel so strongly against trans women or hermaphrodites entering your harem in this game, but then again you are extremely particular about who deserves to enter your harem or not to begin with. Unfortunately, this game wasn't designed with people who'd rather avoid collecting a girl in mind, since it's a... girl collection game. But oh well, you can just leave the girls you dislike at 0 stars and you won't have to watch them. No need to insult them or, by proxy, those attracted by them (which is essentially what your "right to complain about it" does first and foremost). You could renew the suggestion to the devs for the option to delete girls from your harem, though.

In any case, I hope we understand each other a bit better now, on this topic anyway, and if not, then I kindly agree to disagree and would be thankful if you do the same, friend. Cheers.

Like I said before, Ienha is basically like the Greek mythological figure Hermaphroditus. A hermaphrodite is different in the sense that it is one person with male and female genetics. Hermaphroditus was two persons in one body.

On a different note; I think that walking on eggshells for "minorities" is a bad thing. People should be able to say whatever they want without being immediately judged. In my eyes that judging is way worse and way more toxic. It makes a normal conversation impossible. Explain why it is hurtful (only the person being hurt can do that) and start a conversation so that you understand eachother better. Judgments can be reserved for after that. I have some serious doubts about a lot of these gender and sexuality groups. And I have talked to people of different groups. But quite a few of them were actually unable to explain their identity to me. They were as confused about it as I am. If you are a man but you like to wear dresses from time to time and put on makeup, does that really make you genderfluid? Or are you just a man with feelings that society has grown to frown upon? I'm not sure. Anyway, people should converse without prejudice first. That goes both ways of course.

[Сибарит]

12 hours ago, DvDivXXX said:

You know, whenever a major discrimination issue is being discussed in a large enough forum, there will always be at least one dumbass to ask "oh yeah? so why don't we have a Men's Day then?"

I would certainly ask this absolutely logical question. But I don't need to do this - in my country there is both a women's day and a men's day. Now there is no context here that stigmatizes the role of the oppressor and the victim, these are just wild holidays.

12 hours ago, DvDivXXX said:

The issue isn't that you're only interested in cisgender women as sexual partners, it's that you call that "true women", which de facto insults all women who don't match that criteria.

I can truly consider myself a terminator. If you think that I am not a real terminator, you may offend me. However, if I get hit by a car, it will become obvious to everyone that I am not quite a real terminator.Edited

Edited September 6, 2020 by Сибарит
Edited after post windia. I hope the quote is now reflected correctly.

[windia]

32 minutes ago, Сибарит said:

I would certainly ask this absolutely logical question. But I don't need to do this - in my country there is both a women's day and a men's day. Now there is no context here that stigmatizes the role of the oppressor and the victim, these are just wild holidays.

I can truly consider myself a terminator. If you think that I am not a real terminator, you may offend me. However, if I get hit by a car, it will become obvious to everyone that I am not quite a real terminator.

I'm sorry, magic autotranslate makes it hard for me to understand what you refer to - which quotes did you pick? thx

[DvDivXXX]

3 hours ago, Chthugha said:

On a different note; I think that walking on eggshells for "minorities" is a bad thing. People should be able to say whatever they want without being immediately judged. In my eyes that judging is way worse and way more toxic. It makes a normal conversation impossible. Explain why it is hurtful (only the person being hurt can do that) and start a conversation so that you understand eachother better. Judgments can be reserved for after that.

Sure. I wasn't advocating for tiptoeing around everything or to self-censor everything you say on the off chance that it might trigger someone. I was simply explaining the general principles of why oppressed groups of people (or formerly oppressed, but there's never a clean-cut point at which you go from being routinely mistreated to being treated fairly) need to organize and fight for their rights, safety and tolerance. And why it's generally a good idea to be mindful of that. No need to go overboard, though.

In the context of this specific conversation, I took issue with Observer's kneejerk "eww it's not the type of girl I fancy, so it's not actually a girl" reaction. I explained why and gave a much broader context for this type of things, as the discussion kind of called for it, especially after his examples about gay pride etc. That's all. He can decide to make a slight effort in his phrasing to be respectful of my (and others') feelings on this topic, or he can choose to ignore it and stick to his "true women" narrative. I've done more than my part either way.

14 hours ago, DvDivXXX said:

You know, whenever a major discrimination issue is being discussed in a large enough forum, there will always be at least one dumbass to ask [stupid questions that ignore the context of why the things they refer to exist in the first place, usually on purpose]

14 hours ago, DvDivXXX said:

You do not want to come across as, let alone be that guy.

Case in point:

2 hours ago, Сибарит said:

I would certainly ask this absolutely logical question. [...]

I can truly consider myself a terminator. If you think that I am not a real terminator, you may offend me. However, if I get hit by a car, it will become obvious to everyone that I am not quite a real terminator.Edited

Yeah, usually MRA types go with the "what if I identify as a helicopter?" absurd strawman when they want to paint other people's real identity struggles as mere joke material, but your version works just as well. Congrats. You're that guy in this thread. 👏

Edited September 6, 2020 by DvDivXXX