New Mythic Books and Gift Increases Price of EXP/Affection + Decreases Market Slots for Cash Items

[Fiel]

I did 10 Restocks and came to the conclusion the pricing of these new Mythic items is actually a price increase.

It's become over 4 times as expensive. That can't be a good thing.

I think the developers need some feedback on the pricing of these books and gifts.

This has created 2 main concerns:

• The 8 items slots will now be occupied by items people can't afford. This means every 8 hours the market will refresh and people who used cash to buy Books/EXP will now get fewer items, fewer legendary books/gifts. See the image below
• The pricing makes people unhappy

Edited June 16, 2021 by Fiel

[windia]

@Fiel: while I agree to buy refills instead (despite the fact that the mythical ones reduce the amount of the Ymen stuff), there is a little plot twist with the most expensive book - and maybe with the most expensive gift as well.

See 

 

Edited June 11, 2021 by windia

[Gauldoth]

Well unless there is a way to get them while fighting villans or something like that it dosent pay off since you get 3 refresh per day and if you cant buy all items in the shop you are just making a loss

 

[Fiel]

4 minutes ago, windia said:

there is a little plot twist with the most expensive book - and maybe with the most expensive gift as well.

That Mythic Spell Book does indeed sound interesting. it brings a completely new dimension to the cost balancing.

[Blabla07]

Also, mythic objects take the place of "normal" objects, thus reducing the amount of normal objects you can buy in the market. This is a very bad move, I suggest myhtic objects to be purchased in a specialised ( mythic 😋 ? ) market instead.

[Fiel]

I'm making an overview of some proposals I have seen around in chat and forum.

• Some people propose the 3(Magazine, Book, Encyclopedia ) should cost 4 times less Koban to reach parity with current costs
• Some people propose they should only cost cash, but also propose it's okay to cost much, much more cash
• Some people propose keeping the Koban price high, but make them work as fractions of the Spell book, so you get:
  • Reach 25% of player level (Magazine)
  • Reach 50% of player level (Book)
  • Reach 75% of player level (Encyclopedia)
  • Reach 100% of player level (Spell book)
• There is a proposal to add Mythic Books/Gifts to Mythic Pachinko prize pool.
• There is a proposal to add Mythic Books/Gifts to Mythic days Villain reward pool.
• There is a proposal to upgrade Club Champions reward to Mythic.
• There is a proposal to limit the appearance of Mythic Books/Gifts to high level players, since low level players can hardly afford the items, and they use up the 8 slots in the market that were previously for cash items.
• There is a proposal to expand the market to 10 slots, or 12 slots or even 16 slots.
• There is a proposal to entirely remove Mythic Books/Gifts from the market.
• Some propose a special separate section for Mythic Books/Gifts so they don't reduce the amount of Legendary Books and Gifts per Restock.
• There is a proposal to list prices of all items in both Ymen and Koban, and let the user decide which currency to use.

Not all of the proposals are compatible with each other of course, so it's still up to developers to pick and choose which suggestions are most suitable.

On the Affection Gift side:

• There is a proposal to make them all work like Mythic Lingerie while improving the Lingerie
  • Fill up ⭐1 (Mythic flower)
  • Fill up ⭐2 (Mythic Chocolates)
  • Fill up ⭐3 (Mythic Bracelet)
  • Fill up ⭐4 or 5 (Mythic Lingerie)
• Some users have noted the Mythic Lingerie is weaker than Mythic Bracelet. It would be nice to rebalance the items so the Lingerie is clearly more powerful item.

Edited June 16, 2021 by Fiel

[holymolly]

1 hour ago, Fiel said:

I'm making an overview of some proposals I have seen around in chat and forum.

For the three smaller EXP book  variants(Magazine, Book, Encyclopedia )

• Some people propose they should cost 4 times less Koban to reach parity with current costs
• Some people propose they should only cost cash
• Some people propose keeping the Koban price high, but make them work as fractions of the Spellbook, so you get:
  • Reach 25% of player level (Magazine)
  • Reach 50% of player level (Book)
  • Reach 75% of player level (Encyclopedia)
  • Reach 100% of player level (Spellbook)
• Some propose a special shop section for them so they don't reduce the amount of Legendary Books and Gifts per Restock.

Not all of the proposals are compatible with each other of course, so it's still up to developers to pick and choose which suggestions are most suitable.

On the Affection Gift side:

• There is a proposal to make them all work like Mythic Lingerie while improving the Lingerie
  • Fill up ⭐1 (Mythic flower)
  • Fill up ⭐2 (Mythic Chocolates)
  •  Fill up ⭐3 (Mythic Bracelet)
  • Fill up ⭐4 or 5 (Mythic Lingerie)
• Some propose them to cost expensive cash instead of Koban.
• Some propose a reduction in Koban cost so we avoid price increase for affection

thanks for creating the overview @Fiel !  I was thinking of maybe creating a poll that could be posted in the mythic items feedback topic but unfortunately it doesn´t seem to work for me. @FinderKeeper Since you`re our number one for creating polls could you maybe do so   ? 
I feel that a summary of the suggestions and a poll about them would offer the best feedback for KK on this topic

[FinderKeeper]

ehmm *looks at @holymolly*

Ok. Getting a summary of player feedback on this seem like a good idea. 

Not sure about the poll though. Once people submit their votes, it's done. We can't add or modify an option, as no one is able to recast their votes. We would need a finalized list of options.

Presently I can see it as two polls maybe - "Apparent-Problems-and-Fears" and "Possible-Solutions-So-Far". For clarity I don't want to mix those two. Remember how most of us were caught by surprise by the effect of new shard timings of Mythic Days?

 

P.S. It seems, even mod powers are not enough to attach a poll to an old topic. I think, you can create polls in a thread no more than 24h old.

In case you want to give it another try, I'll wait until evening (and possibly more player feedback).

[holymolly]

2 hours ago, FinderKeeper said:

ehmm *looks at @holymolly*

Ok. Getting a summary of player feedback on this seem like a good idea. 

Not sure about the poll though. Once people submit their votes, it's done. We can't add or modify an option, as no one is able to recast their votes. We would need a finalized list of options.

Presently I can see it as two polls maybe - "Apparent-Problems-and-Fears" and "Possible-Solutions-So-Far". For clarity I don't want to mix those two. Remember how most of us were caught by surprise by the effect of new shard timings of Mythic Days?

 

P.S. It seems, even mod powers are not enough to attach a poll to an old topic. I think, you can create polls in a thread no more than 24h old.

In case you want to give it another try, I'll wait until evening (and possibly more player feedback).

Yeah that´s right ..I guess we should maybe wait for a "final" list before drawing up a poll for feedback and not jumping the gun, my bad .
Oh and good to know.. I was already wondering why it didn´t work at all for me .

[Fiel]

At the end of the day this game belongs to the developers, so we might not even need a poll😅 Some people have the opinion the decision should be up to the developers. But if the developers want to poll us, then I'm sure they can do that as well.

The best we can do is point out some concerns, and some constructive feedbacks, and hope for the best🤞

[Mr.Goodfellow]

I'd like to see the Mythic books and gifts be purchasable by money (Ymens) instead of kobans.  In the end game (when you need these mythic items the most) you have more money than we know what to do with.  

[Gauldoth]

i agree with Goodfellow we have to much yemen to spare but when it comes to kobans if you are not in 4+ in tower if fame each week you cant spare any kobans for anything else if i want to get a mythic girl i need atleast 16k kobans +7200 for addition rewards for other event i have a platinum monthly card and i have a hard time keeping up with the costs and that includes paid seasson rewards this mythic books a re obviuos cash grab when i first heard about this first thing that fell on my mind was this part of the song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FjWe31S_0g  I mean seriusly what the hell

 

 

[Fiel]

Good news everybody, it looks like developers have opted to reduce the Koban price in the test server.  Mythic Encyclopedia goes from 780 Koban to 510 Koban (59 EXP per Koban)

My first immediate thought is, while this is an improvement, it still is technically a price increase compared to current situation.

28 minutes ago, Gauldoth said:

i agree with Goodfellow we have to much yemen to spare but when it comes to kobans if you are not in 4+ in tower if fame each week you cant spare any kobans for anything else if i want to get a mythic girl i need atleast 16k kobans

I understand what you mean. It really does feel like this change is meant only for people who hit Top 4 and 1st place in the Leagues.

Which makes me think of people from my guild, like 123234 and rm80. They very often only land on Top 15.. With those limited Koban they try to help the other players with the Guild Champion + they try to save up for the Mythic girls each moth which they sometimes fail to acquire due to not having enough Koban. 

I'm a bit saddened that these pricings are beyond the reach of my good friends.

But this gave me a new idea💡

What if the Developers made it so Mythic Books and Mythic Gifts became part of the Mythic Orb prize pool?

Everybody have Mythic orbs these days, so it could be a good way to make the Mythic items accessible to people.

I will add this suggestion to the overiew list.

[Drackomut]

I would like it if you could see the mystical objects e.g. if you get such mystical days that you can get them from every boss.
That would also be a possibility that people then give or that you can also enjoy these items.

[Kodiak]

I don't mind the price of any of the mythic items but I hate that they take away slots for ymen stuff.  They need a separate market so it's a choice and not for forcing you to restock for only half the items you would have got previously

[Squirt42]

Hands down worst upgrade ever. I said last week thought it was a good idea for Mythic gifts and I thought it would cost a lot of money. Instead they cost tons of Kobani. Kobani is the scarcest resource and now restocking the market is drastically worse. Now there are 3 mythic gifts costing even more kobani instead of lesser gifts costing money. Who the hell thought that was a good idea? So now, with Kobani being so hard to acquire in order to get more experience or affection items it takes drastically more Kobani. I am actually very very frustrated. For the price of restocking the Market 8 times I can get more than 10k affection that comes with a 360 Kobani gift. It just became exponentially harder to level girls. At this rate it is simply not worth playing anymore. I thought Mythic gifts would come from defeating club champions, not locking up gift slots in the market.

[Squirt42]

I am just so angry right now I want to rage quit this game. Instantly all the girls from Orgy Days became impossibly costly to level, so what is the point of getting more? Why play? I don't know if they devs didn't really think this through and what is the actual outcome of making mythic gifts costing kobani versus money or they did think it through and just cared about people with lots of money to spend buying Kobani. Did they not think through tying up the limited 8 slots in the market with items VERY FEW people can afford? Even if you win a daily for 300 kobani, that doesn't even buy one of the 6 gifts tying up a slot in my market now. Before I could buy all 8 items now problem, now I get 5 experience and 5 affection. Just stupid.

[dgmoody82]

I just got the new books and gifts. I am not a fan. I would have been ok with having to pay 10x as much with normal cash vs now having to pay with kobans. Using kobans now just seems like yet another cash grab with this game. Im guessing the next step is put Mythic equipment in so the game really is pay to win. 

[Dramut]

The prices are too expensive for me, I would find it good if you then buy the mystical objects e.g. then could get if you have now reached T3 with a villain.
There are also villains who have XP books and items that bring stars.

One possibility would be to adjust the Kobani so that you can get them faster.

or the mythical objects are made cheaper.

what else would be if you put at least one mission in mystical where you can get mythical objects or girls.

 

Edited June 16, 2021 by Dramut

[arkay2233]

Its hella expensive which is the biggest problem But I find an other ugly thing, which are the contests. Before, theoritically in 2 event you could buy kobans for Yemens. Now its gone cause for anyone to place high they need to spend kobans for the needed levelups/xp. Way worse with the event where you can get shards for a girl. I might remember badly but 2 event related contest directly required xp giving / leveling up while at least an other basic xp giving went paralell where you could get point towards the girl. That means getting a girl in that event will be nothing more than spending a lots of kobans while hoping all the others spend less than you... 

Nice whale update.

[TeeJay]

I wouldn't mind the books costing Yemens instead of Kobans, but I can understand it if they stay that way.

But, what I really don't like is Koban only products bumping Yemen products. My worry with this is that the higher you go, the more Koban products you will have access to until the only thing that is available is koban products, making it harder to level your harem.

[lepidocter]

I'm just level 200 and the first mythic objects appeared right now O_o. I thought it was for high level players (those that can afford a mythic girl).

So you should add to the flaws list that such items appear way too early. I can purchase a spellbook for 600 kobans (all of my precious koby) to level up to... 200? I can do it regularly without effort. With 600 kobans I can blast away some troll instead, for way more benefits at my level.

Big numbers are fascinating, hopefully people will find this thread before doing some compulsory purchase.

EDIT: the thing is also buggy. I had one Chocolate and one Mythic Chocolate left. Refreshed the page and magically I have now 2 Mythic chocolates... mumble...

Edited June 16, 2021 by lepidocter

[ghoetlol]

Mythic item! Yay..... and it cost Koban, straight down the slope. I mean I get it, Koban is the ultimate currency and the major method the game earns money for the developer, but seriously? As if we don't have enough things to spend our not-so-abundant Koban on nowadays. What is Yemen even useful for when you hit around 400 before this patch? Pretty much nothing, we have more than enough of it for the needs, and now it has been further depreciated. 

Again, it sadden me seeing another Koban only product on the shelf, but I don't have a strong opinion on it, as I shouldn't anyways. But please, give us a meaning of earning Yemen at least. Maybe by introducing other features that we can use Yemen for. For now, that thing remain a shinny, big yet useless number, and it seems like it is getting more and more useless.

[spinnie]

This change just stinks for f2p folks. Can these new items please not show up on the market, or for Yemen instead of Kobans.

[Fiel]

54 minutes ago, lepidocter said:

I'm just level 200 and the first mythic objects appeared right now O_o. I thought it was for high level players (those that can afford a mythic girl).

That's a big concern indeed. I'm afraid this update as made it worse for low level players.

In the past you would get a selection of 8 EXP items and 8 affection items every 8 hours which you could purchase for cash. Today the game gives you less than those 8 items, since some of them will be mythic, and not affordable.