Feedback thread for Patch - 07/02/2018

[Helix]

il y a 35 minutes, Masters a dit :

So, on the French side, were thy doing maths? Any decent suggestions over there? Could someone convey a few of our (i.e., mine; especially the PvP girl-drop) over there? Please don't make me crack open the rusty hinges of my high school French…

They already did the math on multiple threads and concluded that we will never reach the same income as before. They also pointed that new players (who haven't reached Finalmecia yet) will lose much more money because they have to grind each new boss to a decent level every time they reach a new world.

[Dingo123]

Since the patch i spent all Combativity on Ninja guy, he was giving 5k before the patch, now i've levelled him to level 29 (i think he will stop at 30) and i get a wopping 3k.

Oh, and 0 of the 2 girls he can (still) offer.

I paint me lucky i got the other 2 girls the day before the patch.

So much for slightly better girl drop chance and proportional loot.

Edited February 9, 2018 by Dingo123

[Encino]

2 minutes ago, Dingo123 said:

Since the patch i spent all Combativity on Ninja guy, he was giving 5k before the patch, now i've levelled him to level 29 (i think he will stop at 30) and i get a wopping 3k.

Oh, and 0 of the 2 girls he can (still) offer.

I paint me lucky i got the other 2 girls the day before the patch.

So much for sligtlhy better girl drop chance and proportional loot.

Yeah, amazing isn't it...  And that is what the dev's call re-balanced.  I have a few girls still to get from those lower bosses, I have been beating up Bremen like crazy and he also has not dropped the last girl I can get. All they did was giving little information, I think this could have said too. Just wait till this current event ends and in the last week, a special revival event starts. Get your credit card ready, cause you might need it to buy kobans for refilling the combat points. That is what these dev's are after.  Like I said, Pay-to-Play and win/get the girls!!!

[ZeroZero]

PVP matching is broken.

I just fought against Cypion31 as one of my 3 random people.  

His rank is 16,344

I'm rank 21, 484.  

I was "randomly" matched against someone ranked more than 5,000 places above me. 

What the hell? 

I don't mind that i lost. What I mind is the being matched against someone so much higher because it devalues all of the things the game tries to tell me matter.

My gear doesn't matter, leveling up my girls doesn't matter, having girls at 5 star girls doesn't matter, using boosters doesn't matter.

If the matching system is going to put me up against people so far above me then the system decides if I win or not, there is no action I can take to change that. I have no reason to spend anything towards gear or boosters or anything that affects PVP unless I want to try and be the #1 overall in the game.

If PVP has rank then I should be fighting the people near my rank.

If I'm grossly over powered compared to the folks near me in rank then I should win easily and shoot up in rank until I'm fighting more appropriate people.

 

 

[Encino]

I have saved up a decent amount on kobans over time, which I was planning to use on 10x epic pachinko whenever I got nine remaining girls from the few bosses. But I don't think that plan is still realistic. To get Loving Bunny, I had to use 30 to 35 refills costing 150 kobans each. AND SHE STILL DID NOT DROP. Sure that was before the patch. Now everything is going to be more difficult, because I don't believe the dev's calculated and re-balanced everything accordingly. If they want me to believe them, let them show proof too.  But that is not what they will do, cause then everyone will say FUCK THIS!! No, Kinkoid might be an artist in playing dumb.. Asking people to come and explain why this has been pay-to play etc.. Just look at the first couple pages when he was responding.  He knows, it was all just squeezing things more resulting to hopefully get more income. It's becoming Game Greedy.  He probably saw a nice car and wants it, but hasn't gotten the full amount yet of what it costs. But I am not stupid.  This thread has been going on for days now, only for those few responses, he has not said anything at all.

 

I do not mind to spend a little money here and there, but I hate to be lied too and I hate it even more when a group of people throw in this crap to make them a little more richer. Can see how it is in any opinion, but this is what is mine and I do trust on my feelings and stuff. It never lied to me, things always came out like I thought.

[Sovereign RHB]

Well ...... let me try to be the devil's advocate here. And behold, they're just some thoughts.

Balancing the game

Let's be honest. Until this patch we've all had it way too easy.

• Every arena battle won without effort (some lost all interest in it).
• The trolls were real rollovers. only hard thing was dropping girls.
• The money only became a problem when your harem became big.

After the patch:

• Arena adversaries are much harder to slay (To slay all three chosen I've had visit the TOF and change outfits at the market twice to adapt to each)
• Trolls are still rollovers. we'll speak on that again next monday i guess
• The money becomes a problem much faster at lower levels. Wudn't be surprised that in a next patch you can exchange kobans for money.

Considering this the argument can be made that the game is more balanced than before.

Gripes

I will not go into the cd 30 min or the number of possible fights . Enuf has been written about those the last 14 pages and we know the prevailing opinions.

Future balancing

As things stand the higher level players that are further along in the game have a huge advantage in the contests against the lower level players. The higher level players will be (seriously) handicapped in some way pretty soon (patch in your face).

Boosters will become necessary in fights. As well in the arena as with the trolls. obi wan says: You WILL use your kobans!

The number of xp's to be got daily from missions will drop. Don't expect a free daily level up. You gots to work for it bubba!

Girls affection will become cheaper Something had to drain the vast wealth the early players accrued.

 

All this will not mean that the game will have become P2W. You will still be able to play for free. That is if you enjoy creeping along whilst the payplayer runs rings around you.

 

For me personally all this doesn't matter that much. I stand by my first original post.

The moment you can do only one thing with your energy and one other thing with your combat points you kill the gameplay and I'm out.

Think about it: We are all just sitting around waiting for the meter to fill up so we can drain the meter and use it all the EXACT SAME WAY.

 

YEAH FUN FUN FUN

[Encino]

3 minutes ago, ZeroZero said:

PVP matching is broken.

I just fought against Cypion31 as one of my 3 random people.  

His rank is 16,344

I'm rank 21, 484.  

I was "randomly" matched against someone ranked more than 5,000 places above me. 

What the hell? 

I don't mind that i lost. What I mind is the being matched against someone so much higher because it devalues all of the things the game tries to tell me matter.

My gear doesn't matter, leveling up my girls doesn't matter, having girls at 5 star girls doesn't matter, using boosters doesn't matter.

If the matching system is going to put me up against people so far above me then the system decides if I win or not, there is no action I can take to change that. I have no reason to spend anything towards gear or boosters or anything that affects PVP unless I want to try and be the #1 overall in the game.

If PVP has rank then I should be fighting the people near my rank.

If I'm grossly over powered compared to the folks near me in rank then I should win easily and shoot up in rank until I'm fighting more appropriate people.

 

 

I know. I get that same thing.

[Encino]

4 minutes ago, dirty harry said:

Well ...... let me try to be the devil's advocate here. And behold, they're just some thoughts.

Balancing the game

Let's be honest. Until this patch we've all had it way too easy.

• Every arena battle won without effort (some lost all interest in it).
• The trolls were real rollovers. only hard thing was dropping girls.
• The money only became a problem when your harem became big.

After the patch:

• Arena adversaries are much harder to slay (To slay all three chosen I've had visit the TOF and change outfits at the market twice to adapt to each)
• Trolls are still rollovers. we'll speak on that again next monday i guess
• The money becomes a problem much faster at lower levels. Wudn't be surprised that in a next patch you can exchange kobans for money.

Considering this the argument can be made that the game is more balanced than before.

Gripes

I will not go into the cd 30 min or the number of possible fights . Enuf has been written about those the last 14 pages and we know the prevailing opinions.

Future balancing

As things stand the higher level players that are further along in the game have a huge advantage in the contests against the lower level players. The higher level players will be (seriously) handicapped in some way pretty soon (patch in your face).

Boosters will become necessary in fights. As well in the arena as with the trolls. obi wan says: You WILL use your kobans!

The number of xp's to be got daily from missions will drop. Don't expect a free daily level up. You gots to work for it bubba!

Girls affection will become cheaper Something had to drain the vast wealth the early players accrued.

 

All this will not mean that the game will have become P2W. You will still be able to play for free. That is if you enjoy creeping along whilst the payplayer runs rings around you.

 

For me personally all this doesn't matter that much. I stand by my first original post.

The moment you can do only one thing with your energy and one other thing with your combat points you kill the gameplay and I'm out.

Think about it: We are all just sitting around waiting for the meter to fill up so we can drain the meter and use it all the EXACT SAME WAY.

 

YEAH FUN FUN FUN

Oh okay, well if that is all true and that is what the end plan of the dev's is.. Then I have decided too and I am out of this MONEY GREED as well.  I do not support Money Greed Addicted Dev's.  There is no point in this whole thing anymore.  It was fun while it lasted.

[ZeroZero]

On 2/7/2018 at 9:17 AM, Kinkoid said:

We desire to keep it as 30 minutes.

 

2 + 6 = 8. So from 6 battles in arena or 3 against the bosses, you pass to 8 battles.

 

@syst0rm, this is why we changed the system to provide with free arena combats instead of making them competitive with the bosses.

Your PVP matching calls this false. If I can be "matched" against someone who wildly out ranks me (> 5000 above me in rank) then I have guaranteed losses built into the system.

I have 4-8 battles possible, not 8 every time. I could be matched against impossible opponents an unknown number of times in PVP. 

[Tommy55]

If you are interested in doing Arena here's a trick i just discovered. This game will open a 2nd tab if you click & drag a button, and unlike most game both tabs are live. So go to the Battle page on the 2nd tab and it will refresh the opponents every 30 whether you have fought them or not or even if you dont come back to it ever. Its live and it will refresh every 30 minutes.

Oh, and leave the 2nd tab on the Battle screen and do everything else on the 1st tab.

Edited February 9, 2018 by Tommy55

[Damoncord]

Prepare your asses they already have another patch coming with more changes to PVP, It's gonna get more complex and not much better.

Not sure how much is allowed to be public yet but the Patreon just posted the new patch notes. 

Short version Koban costs for refills will be going up.  They will give you ONE free class change, but now classes will be weak to another and strong against the third.  There's gonna be added Daily Challenges in the Arena, Tower of Fame is gonna get a revamp to show more information about you, the 25% critical will be going away, soon only Hardcore will be able to crit, Charm will randomly block damage, and Know how will randomly heal themselves, Girls will gain affection if they are in your battle team when you win matches (assuming you can win without them already being maxed).

[Sovereign RHB]

34 minutes ago, Tommy55 said:

If you are interested in doing Arena here's a trick i just discovered. This game will open a 2nd tab if you click & drag a button, and unlike most game both tabs are live. So go to the Battle page on the 2nd tab and it will refresh the opponents every 30 whether you have fought them or not or even if you dont come back to it ever. Its live and it will refresh every 30 minutes.

Oh, and leave the 2nd tab on the Battle screen and do everything else on the 1st tab.

Will it add to your total in tab 1? I dont think so.

[Shadow-Six]

2 minutes ago, Damoncord said:

Short version Koban costs for refills will be going up.

Remember, back in the patch notes thread, when I hyperbolically put in the line that this feels like an attempt to "instill a sense of pride and accomplishment"? Yeah, it no longer feels that way. If this change goes through, it will be an attempt to "instill a sense of pride and accomplishment". They are going full-on EA. You never want to go EA, much less full-on EA. Whelp, been fun all, but I think we can officially say that these changes are the death knell for this game.

[Damoncord]

The preview is at Patreon on the $1 level.  https://www.patreon.com/posts/pvp-2-overall-16896355

[Sovereign RHB]

1 hour ago, Encino said:

Oh okay, well if that is all true and that is what the end plan of the dev's is.. Then I have decided too and I am out of this MONEY GREED as well.  I do not support Money Greed Addicted Dev's.  There is no point in this whole thing anymore.  It was fun while it lasted.

First of all. They're just some thoughts and could be totally bogus. The future will tell.

 

Furthermore, that will not be the endgame. As it stands I feel the ToF is still underutilized. You can fight PvP but why would you. for the mojo?

What if in the future you can battle PvP for girls? It seems like all the code is already written for that.

 

That cud become the main focus of the game but it would be silly to implement if there were no players with harems, right? So, expand your harems my friends because this game isn't  called HAREM HEROES for nothing.

Of course, a girl abducted/stolen that way wud have no affection for you to begin with hence the daily missions and the arena which probable will evolve into something more fitting for that type of gameplay.

Somehow I think that game wud appeal to you. Am I  right? It wud to me but getting there is too much work!   lol

[Sovereign RHB]

21 minutes ago, Damoncord said:

Prepare your asses they already have another patch coming with more changes to PVP, It's gonna get more complex and not much better.

Not sure how much is allowed to be public yet but the Patreon just posted the new patch notes. 

Short version Koban costs for refills will be going up.  They will give you ONE free class change, but now classes will be weak to another and strong against the third.  There's gonna be added Daily Challenges in the Arena, Tower of Fame is gonna get a revamp to show more information about you, the 25% critical will be going away, soon only Hardcore will be able to crit, Charm will randomly block damage, and Know how will randomly heal themselves, Girls will gain affection if they are in your battle team when you win matches (assuming you can win without them already being maxed).

ok. They got their player base and now it is time to harvest.

A quick look in the ToF will show over half a million players. Say half are bots. That leaves 250.000. 80% is not stupid and won't pay a single buck/euro/yen. That leaves 50.000 payplayers. Say they will gradually drop out (invested months in building a harem) over a period of 6 months. Say you average about 10 to 15 bucks a player. That's a minimum of half a million bucks.

Not bad for a years work. On to the next game.

oh, and don't forget gayharem....kchchchiiinnngggg!

[Tommy55]

28 minutes ago, dirty harry said:

Will it add to your total in tab 1? I dont think so.

That's the point both tabs are live, what happens in one happens in the other too.

[Damoncord]

11 minutes ago, dirty harry said:

ok. They got their player base and now it is time to harvest.

A quick look in the ToF will show over half a million players. Say half are bots. That leaves 250.000. 80% is not stupid and won't pay a single buck/euro/yen. That leaves 50.000 payplayers. Say they will gradually drop out (invested months in building a harem) over a period of 6 months. Say you average about 10 to 15 bucks a player. That's a minimum of half a million bucks.

Not bad for a years work. On to the next game.

oh, and don't forget gayharem....kchchchiiinnngggg!

ToF does not show bots.

[Sovereign RHB]

2 minutes ago, Damoncord said:

ToF does not show bots.

ok I stand corrected

[jyepie]

16 minutes ago, dirty harry said:

ok. They got their player base and now it is time to harvest.

A quick look in the ToF will show over half a million players. Say half are bots. That leaves 250.000. 80% is not stupid and won't pay a single buck/euro/yen. That leaves 50.000 payplayers. Say they will gradually drop out (invested months in building a harem) over a period of 6 months. Say you average about 10 to 15 bucks a player. That's a minimum of half a million bucks.

Not bad for a years work. On to the next game.

oh, and don't forget gayharem....kchchchiiinnngggg!

dont forget the patreon money. you could add that up 

[Masters]

*My* assessment:

I'll see. I'll not pour anymore Real Cash into the game until and unless I deem the completed patch implementations WORTH IT. I can and have walked away from games just as attractive as this one.

I can always play Rapelay, Hentai High School+, Sealed Room Breed, Teaching Feeling, Shiiku Hakusho, Monster Park (1 and 2), any of Mattis' games, or something else to come along.

There are plenty of porn, eroge, hentai, and Visual Novels which can be obtained and played for free, nearly so, or at the most, the $1 Patreon level…

 

If anyone wishes to contact me away from here, look me up on DeviantART, FFn, Fandom/Wikia, or even Twitter (@LoveRobinM)

[Damoncord]

1 hour ago, jyepie said:

dont forget the patreon money. you could add that up 

as of right now just under 5K per month from Patreon.  https://www.patreon.com/kinkoid/overview

Apparently, they talk more on Discord. https://discord.gg/XMpGnKg

[Sluimerstand]

For those interested, concerning the nerfing of legendary items' stats, Eldrad Nerevar just informed me of the following (on Discord, which you should join):

Kaos-Kinkoud has said on the French Discord that this is an intended nerf, but he forgot to specify this information on the latest patch, and he is sorry about it.

[Damoncord]

And posted this morning on Patreon at the $1 level is the preview of the next patch.

[jyepie]

They say that bringing back the green affection items was because some players requested them.... 
WHO are those players? who is crazy enough to ask for that back?????????????????? 
I am seriously baffled by this. I am kinda shocked..... who in their right minds would want those ugly green gifts back???? I Dont get it? why would hardcore fans of the game want that back? 

it makes no sense, who are these people???