Taka007 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 So it´s been probably 2 month ever since I had my last "upgrade" in terms of equipement and just wasted 20M on Pachinko again so I wanted to take this opportunity to rage about it. I´m a KH player and as stated, the last upgrade I got was 2 month ago. Ever since then I spent around 200M on Pachinko and also did a couple of the time-limited Pachinkos for 1.800 Kobans. What am I currently equipped with: 4/6 slots have equipement that´s around 30-40 levels below my own level. I also have shoes that are 80 levels below me and the upper right slot still features an epic equipement because for the love of whoever can´t get a legendary mono stat for that slot (and is also 30 levels below my level). The most frustrating issue: I received around 20-30 mono stat legendaries for the other two categories. Especially charm. I have a full equipement set for both HC and Charm that is within 30 levels of my own level. When I spent 4x 1.800 Kobans I even got the same mono-stat equip for the one slot I need it most 4 times in a row! But of course it was Charm... So I´m starting to wonder if a class change wouldn´t be more efficient than chasing a mono stat that´s just not popping up. Especially because I´m losing in Leagues by usually just a few points, any upgrade would push me over the limit I have currently reached... I assume I´m not the only one that has experienced equip droughts or rage situations, so I thought this might be a good place to vent about equipement issues for everyone affected by it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeMTO Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 So small flaw with your data, Event Pachinko doesn't give random items. Chest (middle left) piece is hardcore mono-stat, tattoo (top right) is charm mono stat, weapon (bottom left) is know how mono stat, leaving head, legs and pet to be multi-stat legendaries. Same for all spins for each use of the EvP so far. Other than that, yeah it's pretty standard, but I don't see anything wrong with having equipment be hard to get. I just got my first upgrade in 30 levels (October time-wise), so I'm in a similar boat. Nothing wrong with having something that's hard to improve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taka007 Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 minute ago, GeorgeMTO said: So small flaw with your data, Event Pachinko doesn't give random items. Chest (middle left) piece is hardcore mono-stat, tattoo (top right) is charm mono stat, weapon (bottom left) is know how mono stat, leaving head, legs and pet to be multi-stat legendaries. Same for all spins for each use of the EvP so far. Other than that, yeah it's pretty standard, but I don't see anything wrong with having equipment be hard to get. I just got my first upgrade in 30 levels (October time-wise), so I'm in a similar boat. Nothing wrong with having something that's hard to improve. I didn´t know that, although I assumed it as I got the same mono stat 4x times. But thanks for confirming, I know more now. And yeah, I don´t really mind the "hard to get" factor, but it really bugs me that in the entire time since I started playing this game I didn´t get a single legendary upper right KH equip. I mean, there should have been at least one within a year I think. And considering how much money is needed (upgrading the girls for example) it´s kind of annoying to waste several 100 millions on multistat gear without even getting anything to show for the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casey Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 You have been playing this game long enough to realize that the game software will almost always drop mono stat equipment in pachinko that isn't in your specialty Besides you already have 2 strikes against you being a know how player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScrubNoob Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 20M is probably too low to expect anything other than a really lucky monostat drop in pachinko unless you are low level and the cost of a x10 spin is cheap. By 200M though there is a decent chance of getting one, hardly a guarantee though. Personally I'd do the whole amount at once rather than spreading it out. Computers use pseudo-random so your odds may actually improve with repeated attempts in a row, really depends on seeds and cycles for that. Statistically there is no difference for real randomness, but that rule does not necessarily apply when a series of produced values simply follows a complex algorithm after an initial seed value. I've played games before where the algorithm yielded patterns at times, which were consistent enough to significantly raise the odds on an action being successful much like a slot machine that is approaching a jackpot state. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemus Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 There are too many random mechanics in the game and this is annoying. Not to mention the fact that the chance of falling out in a great pachinko at an unnecessary rainbow junk is many times more than equipment with a mono stat, according to my observations one in ten or even worse. And when the long-awaited monostat finally falls out, then the chance for the one you need is only one to five (do not forget about useless harmony and endurance). As a result, the equipment you need drops out of fifty once. Or it does not fall out, because “you are a loser and the gods of fortune turned away from you,” and thanks to this, the months of your efforts and savings will be mockingly “lowered into the toilet” just for nothing. The game needs ways to get top-end equipment that are based not only on luck, but also on involvement in the game process. There are many options and they are all known. For example, crafting system. When unnecessary equipment is not sold to the store but is broken down into some source components, having accumulated the necessary amount, you can choose what to create yourself. By the way, the creation can be entrusted to girls who are bored in a harem by comparing its speed to their rarity and the number of stars, for example. Then from this whole system of rarity of girls there will be some sense, but now we have a paradox when an ordinary girl is better rare because her price of improvement is less, and they bring money equally. Another option is to make an event something like “days of legendary equipment”, so that from certain bosses one could get equipment with certain characteristics, or on a certain slot. It is clear that even here the random mechanic and failures cannot be avoided, but here the player will have at least some choice for exerting effort. And you can even go on a simple way and make a store with very, very high prices, but the full choice of any equipment. There are a lot of ideas in general, only they are not particularly interesting to developers, their current situation is quite satisfactory, since it seems to them that random mechanics stimulate the purchase of kobans, which, in my opinion, is wrong, although they probably know better. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jelom Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 according to some test various players did in other threads, the distribution of legendary equipment in 10xGP is aproximately this: 80% multistat 5% monostat (for each class, charm, know-how, hardcore) 2,5% monostat (for each, harmony, endurance) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chthugha Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Seriously, change specialty before doing GP10, and then change back once you've gotten your set of know-how equipments 🤔 I keep saying that, because it keeps turning out to be the best way to go to get equipment for a certain specialty. Anyway, I am level 323 now, and I only ever gotten 4 legendary monostats of my specialty so far. With 5 you are doing great 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casey Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Chthugha said: Seriously, change specialty before doing GP10, and then change back once you've gotten your set of know-how equipments 🤔 I keep saying that, because it keeps turning out to be the best way to go to get equipment for a certain specialty. Anyway, I am level 323 now, and I only ever gotten 4 legendary monostats of my specialty so far. With 5 you are doing great 🤣 I've tried that strategy myself with mixed results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taka007 Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 2 hours ago, nbgv said: ok, I am currently lvl 310, GPx10 cost me 5.915.500 so your 20mln is not even 4 spins to me, 1xGP is 311.800 (so stop complaining and start accumulating money instead of wasting it now on your low lvl) ... I still have mine Expert Red seaplane (upper right) with 2458 KH stat and guess what it is lvl 221... 😑 so yeah 89lvls behind (bought it in the shop) and I still can't find yellow/epic item to change it for (they are still worse than mine legendary item), so good luck I kindly disagree with your statement "start accumulating money instead of wasting it now on your low lvl". You even gave the argument yourself: At your lvl it´s triple the cost I have now (lvl 244) and even harder to get new legendary equip because of the price. You yourself are using equip from 89 lvls behind. So following that logic I should at least get 1 legendary equip per slot before saving up cash for the high levels. After all a lvl 244 legendary is more useful than tons of junk and epics from lvl 310 and it is more likely to get something because more tries. I kinda miss the days with less than 1M cost, wish I had gotten a legendary at that time. P.S. Since two people at least commented on 20M being barely anything. At my lvl it´s 10 spins (not much I know), but I was just complaining about wasting that amount for nothing in return Investing in Harem gives more income at least and stat upgrades give permanent upgrades, but cash invested in Pachinko without result could just have never existed, that´s the annoying part in it. I have very well spent multiple 100M on Pachinko to get equip, so it´s not like "I spent 20M and didn`t get anything!!!". It´s "I spent 600M and wasted another 20M chasing that one last equip piece I have no legendary for which kinda sucks.". I appreciate @ScrubNoob comment though for giving me a bit more insight on pseudo-randomness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHarry Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 5 hours ago, Chthugha said: Seriously, change specialty before doing GP10, and then change back once you've gotten your set of know-how equipments 🤔 I keep saying that, because it keeps turning out to be the best way to go to get equipment for a certain specialty. Anyway, I am level 323 now, and I only ever gotten 4 legendary monostats of my specialty so far. With 5 you are doing great 🤣 Or at least change it afterwards. If you have a full set of HC, I don't see why you don't switch? You have 1 free one and one back for 600 if you need. That's cheaper than 1800 for event pachinko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman22 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Hmmmmmm. Another KH player here. All purple except for the upper right slot. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit126 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 I'm also know how but I need a legendary weapon, lower right slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helix Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 My last 40 attempts at the Super Pachinko gave 39 multistats trash and 1 endurance item. I am kind of triggered right now. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
test_user Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 I absolutely just lucked out recently with equipment. Today I played 16 games of great pachinko x 10 and got the last two pieces of equipment I need. At my level that is about 85 million. Then I made the mistake of spending 1800 on event pachinko thinking that maybe I could update my older pieces of equipment so I wasted those cause I got back worthless stuff. My viability in battle just got much better. I guess the best thing to do is to just keep penny pinching and keep spending. I was hoarding all my cash until the casino competition came up and I could get kobans like that. I wish I would have tried to switch specialty and then played and then switch back to my normal specialty like someone mentioned. Although I have qualms about the ability to switch specialties like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MojoFarm Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Early on I it seemed easier to get gear for my specialty HC. I got 4 that I am still using - but not for long now as epics started to exceed them. Last one I got at level 201, now I am 260. The people I fight in the arena keep changing as old names get lengeds and I drop in ranks. So I wanted to catch up and spent close to 200M on GP in October-November, not a single HC mono stat dropped. See pics showing non-rainbow items that dropped. I even got one HK item twice in a row but no HC. I thought it might be the developers way to balance classes because they are known to play with percentages and keep them variable. As you can see from the pictures I stopped trying and caring after level 228. I use the money for other things now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer_X Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 13 hours ago, MojoFarm said: Early on I it seemed easier to get gear for my specialty HC. I got 4 that I am still using - but not for long now as epics started to exceed them. Last one I got at level 201, now I am 260. The people I fight in the arena keep changing as old names get lengeds and I drop in ranks. So I wanted to catch up and spent close to 200M on GP in October-November, not a single HC mono stat dropped. See pics showing non-rainbow items that dropped. I even got one HK item twice in a row but no HC. I thought it might be the developers way to balance classes because they are known to play with percentages and keep them variable. As you can see from the pictures I stopped trying and caring after level 228. I use the money for other things now. You are absolutely free to choose your tactic (your account, your decision), but remember that without proper equipment once you pass level 300, even if you have both legendary girls of your specialty, you will be largely outmatched both in the Arena and in the Leagues, unless you decide to tank (a tactic that, personally, I already stated elsewhere I really hate). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[CNO] BananaJoy Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 not really a good idea cause league became the most effecive source to get kobans. money reward is quiet good too. not as much as from the harem ofc but a few millions extra helps also alot with other things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer_X Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 12 hours ago, BananaJoy said: not really a good idea cause league became the most effecive source to get kobans. money reward is quiet good too. not as much as from the harem ofc but a few millions extra helps also alot with other things In my humble opinion, you stated this as absolute but used only your perspective. You may be right regarding paying players like you, but free players like me do not earn so many free kobans (and ymens) from the leagues as they earn from other sources, like event daily missions and daily missions complete bonus. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chthugha Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Observer_X said: In my humble opinion, you stated this as absolute but used only your perspective. You may be right regarding paying players like you, but free players like me do not earn so many free kobans (and ymens) from the leagues as they earn from other sources, like event daily missions and daily missions complete bonus. Just saying. Don't mind BJ... he always sees things from his perspective. He even advices people and newbies from his perspective. It's quirk you develop when whaling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer_X Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Chthugha said: Don't mind BJ... he always sees things from his perspective. He even advices people and newbies from his perspective. It's quirk you develop when whaling. Oh, I already noted that Just, in this case, I simply felt more right to make a point as i thought MojoFarm could have been a little too misdirected by BJ advice. Obviously, I had no offensive or mocking intent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[CNO] BananaJoy Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 5 hours ago, Chthugha said: Don't mind BJ... he always sees things from his perspective. He even advices people and newbies from his perspective. It's quirk you develop when whaling. thats absolut bullshit. and if the league is only for paying members, what r u doing there? this means that u need to pay as well. i never said to aim for the top tiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScrubNoob Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I haven't spent anything on this game, and he league is by far the best source of kobans for me. To be fair, how good it is would probably depend on your ability to reach a holding pattern in a division where you use and win most of your challenges. The fact that in some lower divisions players purposely don't use all their challenges may make this more difficult though and reduce the effectiveness. As the top keeps moving up in divisions, everyone can safely move up one higher over time, and continue gaining bigger rewards. Even in the latest division the cost of extra challenges in completely covered by the rewards if ability-wise you can rank 1 higher than without them. From BJ's perspective it was just a guess of who would push first for rank 1, since the cost increase from 2-4 is so high that you could get a max score and secure a guaranteed win at any point and still make a profit that exceeds the gain from 2-4. It's more of a guessing game for those few that can achieve this to gain as much as possible and still be the first to make the push. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHarry Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 17 hours ago, Chthugha said: Don't mind BJ... he always sees things from his perspective. He even advices people and newbies from his perspective. It's quirk you develop when whaling. While I agree he does sometimes and also likes to gloat every now and then, he does have a point here. You and I both play free here and still managed to win our S3 league last week. Thats a big haul of kobans (yay us) and 20k+ ymens. So he is right in saying the leagues are a good potential source of koban income. Just the biggest, eventually D3, will be forever out of reach without whaling. So be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chthugha Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, DHarry said: While I agree he does sometimes and also likes to gloat every now and then, he does have a point here. You and I both play free here and still managed to win our S3 league last week. Thats a big haul of kobans (yay us) and 20k+ ymens. So he is right in saying the leagues are a good potential source of koban income. Just the biggest, eventually D3, will be forever out of reach without whaling. So be it. Exactly, I managed to win S3, and what does it bring me... D1 where I won't get that same koban boost again. If you're lucky like me and get an easy high-end league group, you can get a one time koban boost that indeed is more than the kobans one would get from doing all daily missions. The fact remains that for the motherlode of players the league won't be the main source of kobans. I'm well behind the big guns, and players like Mez will also overtake me in a matter of months, creating even more of them. Which bring me back to my point: He was right, for a small fraction of the player base and absolutely not for new players or casual f2p players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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