[ 03-Apr-22 ] Mythic Days - Discussion

[Methos2]

I am not so concerned about Titania's element. A voyeur girl would have been nice to spend the extra gems but I don't think it is a terrible thing to have more mythic girls in one element. With the right blessing, you get a Pantheon wall climbing team. For me, I don't have every mythic girl anyway and I'd already saved up the combativity. I'll be glad to have her on my harem.

[Attirm]

13 hours ago, JustVisitingReborn said:

When the same pattern appears for both L5*s and Mythics it doesn't seem unreasonable to conclude that this isn't simply coincidence

Yeah, I'm not sure what's going on with the Voyeur element. It seems far too planned that every other element got 2 girls before a 3rd was released, but I don't really see any reason for Voyeur to be skipped. Why this this element being treated differently? It has the curious combination of being the most common gem type and the least common girl type. There's only 1 Mythic, 4 L5's, no other 5 stars of lower rarity, and only 11 commons. There is nothing to spend those gems on because girls just aren't being released for this element.

In any case, I have no intention of pursuing Titania. If I want an Exhibitionist mythic, I'd wait for Lupa or Arcana to get their reprints. Just a shame that it looks like Nike is going to be the only option for Voyeur for the foreseeable future.

[DvDivXXX]

17 hours ago, Zteev said:

It's not just class that is skewed, and we need to realize that the girls that are popular that get pushes for mythics or that they want to push may not be balanced well.

17 hours ago, JustVisitingReborn said:

There have been plenty of totally new L5*s where they could have started to rebalance things a little. The lack of Voyeurs isn't simply because - as with Titania and Norou - there is a previous version that dictates the Dominance.

Not only what JVR* (dammit why do I always type "JVB" instead... ^^) said, but just like they always did with Classes, there's no real consistency for Elements even for the same returning character. OG Norou uses RED, but Mythic Norou uses BLUE instead (and her other two variants, Epic and 1-star common, both use WHITE gems instead ^^). Titania herself is Green for the first time, here. Her OG version uses Orange and her previous two variants both use Red...

16 hours ago, Miccia said:

Sorry for my poor knowledge of English but why Druiada? Isn't the right term Druid?

Either Druid or Druidess. "Druiada" is a made-up word by them as far as I'm aware. And we've had Druid Crystal in the past. My guess is it's meant to rime with Titania, nothing more.

3 hours ago, Ravi-Sama said:

Also, I think Exhibitionist (green) is one of the least useful elements.  We already have chlorella boosters that boost ego, and a ton of ego (HP) doesn't really help win fights.

Agree to disagree. It's more middle of the road imho (a sentiment also shared by Sly and other competitive players). It's definitely not top tier (Dark, Red, possibly Blue), but it's not bottom tier either (Yellow, Purple, White). It's in between next to Orange. Definitely not a must-have if you can only afford one Mythic here and there, but not useless either even unblessed.

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I'm still on the fence (I also hoped for another color, though certainly not Purple). I already saved up tons of PvE fights for the current PoV anyway, and shards not getting depleted in the blink of an eye on the first day is actually an incentive to me. Although I'm starting to reconsider on my previous plan to skip Nike's revival next month with all the Purple scarcity arguments. ^^

Edited April 4, 2022 by DvDivXXX
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[Ravi-Sama]

6 minutes ago, DvDivXXX said:

Although I'm starting to reconsider on my previous plan to skip Nike's revival next month with all the Purple scarcity arguments. ^^

Skip it!  Skip it!  More shards for me! 🥰

[Liliat]

Well, it certainly didn't improve over night. Still 7000 shards left, less than 20 minutes before the pool is replenished. I think it's the first time we get so many shards left on day 1.

Anyway: 22/100 at 139 fights; 7.91% drop rate so far (Free + Stored combativity). I'm not super enthusiastic about her, but I'll get her anyway, because I already skipped the previous mythic, and I skipped Arcana last year; so I only have 1 green mythic. I also have enough extra green gems that I might consider upgrading her immediately after obtaining her; but I'm not 100% decided yet. We'll see. Maybe I'll wait for a blessing.

Regarding the element bonus: green isn't the best, and elemental teams are not recommended in defense, but there as enough elemental players in leagues that having a strong team available for each element really makes sense. You don't want to use them for defense, but you should be able to switch to the correct element for attacking elemental teams. And of course, you should be ready for a "Week of the Exhibitionist" (or any other element), so having up to 4 girls per element can be useful.

For Pantheon, however, it doesn't help much: after Floor 1000 (Or even 900?), bosses use a rainbow team, and intermediate floors don't really require the element bonus to beat them (Although IIRC it might start making sense on the last few hundred floors, as even these intermediate floors become strong).

[DvDivXXX]

10 minutes ago, Liliat said:

For Pantheon, however, it doesn't help much: after Floor 1000 (Or even 900?), bosses use a rainbow team, and intermediate floors don't really require the element bonus to beat them (Although IIRC it might start making sense on the last few hundred floors, as even these intermediate floors become strong).

Even before that. Starting somewhere around 1200 and 1300, regular fights in between boss fights get WAY harder, and systematically using a team of the counter color becomes basically mandatory to get anywhere, especially against certain particularly strong colors (the worst to face are Dark and Blue, even with a counter team).

[JustVisitingReborn]

47 minutes ago, Liliat said:

Well, it certainly didn't improve over night. Still 7000 shards left, less than 20 minutes before the pool is replenished. I think it's the first time we get so many shards left on day 1.

It looks like there are going to be a LOT of shards left over for Titania. I would guess this impacts the financials, so it'll be interesting to see what KK's response to this is......

I continue with my sub-part drop rate, at 5.8% for 15 drops (30 shards) so far. If this holds it'll be my 4th Mythic in a row with a drop rate in the 5.1-6.1% range 😭

[DvDivXXX]

And on HH (I think JVR's screenshot was from Nutaku):

8 minutes ago, JustVisitingReborn said:

I would guess this impacts the financials, so it'll be interesting to see what KK's response to this is......

I'm less interested than I am worried about how Rosso & team might overreact to that and which perfectly good feature and/or staff member might be the scapegoat this time. Hopefully, not Sandalwood and whoever came up with its design as happened in the past with Dating Tokens... 

[JustVisitingReborn]

12 hours ago, DvDivXXX said:

I'm less interested than I am worried about how Rosso & team might overreact to that and which perfectly good feature and/or staff member might be the scapegoat this time. Hopefully, not Sandalwood and whoever came up with its design as happened in the past with Dating Tokens... 

If they want to point the finger at something I'd suggest looking at gem balance.

I don't think there's been any drop off in the demand for L5*s, even though for the majority of players the majority of these girls are non-usable. But that's because they don't really cost anything to get. Other than the LC, and smart play can get you that one without too much effort. MD cost a fortune in terms of resources just to get the girl. Many players will already have one or two Exhibitionist Mythics. And unlike the L5s you basically spend nothing to grab, Mythics HAVE to be upgraded to be worthwhile because you've spent so much to get them in the first place.

I'd guess that a lot of players are now blanching at the thought of having to try and upgrade a green Mythic from the ground floor. I wasn't prepared for it and it basically means spending the rest of the month, and perhaps a good bit of next month, farming green gems.

Edited April 4, 2022 by JustVisitingReborn

[gasgar]

More than 11,000 kobans spent. Added to 3 perfumes to not have even 75% of the mythical. It is observed that there are plenty of fragments left over, more than the 9000 that it gives every 2 hours. I really feel that this became a business to leave users without kobans and also not reach the goal of getting the mythic

[Liliat]

il y a 11 minutes, gasgar a dit :

I really feel that this became a business to leave users without kobans and also not reach the goal of getting the mythic

The event hasn't changed at all since the introduction of boosters around of last year. And at this point, if anything, it became easier for the players.

11 000 Kobans and 75 shards for 3 boosters makes me think you didn't take the best path to play this event, thus ending up wasting a lot of resources - unnecessarily.

I would recommend reading some tips & tricks on how to best approach Mythic Days. For example:

 

 

[Kojot]

The giantess kink is probably the only kink present in the game that disgusts me. Not to offend anyone liking it, I just for some reason not even dislike it, it makes me sick to my stomach seeing a person big as a building and another small person doing something sexual to them. Anyway, to the point - because of this kink I'm not sure if I want to waste my kobans on Titania whose common rarity and story version was a giantess in a few scenes... And looking at the number of shards remaining it is so tempting to get her because I don't have to race with anyone and can get her by playing slowly throughout the next 2 days... And she has also a lot nicer face than the common Titania... 

[holymolly]

Soo.. I did a thing .. I wanted to see how cheap I could get a mythic. I started with 390 combativity in stock and burned through that with 8 50x buttons (well 7 and 4 10x but they cost as much as 8 50x so ..) that resulted in 55 shards .. the end result for me .. after I did a couple of refills and used some additional free combativity from this PoV and dailys:
2384 kobans and 5 sandalwoods spent (well 4,5 technically) (spoiler: the drop rate was still a bit below average since I needed a little over 700 fights )

 

After upgrading her I can say: She definitely makes the bottom 3 mythics so far for me ..not too sure if she´s the worst or 2nd worst for me personally but she´s down there.

[gasgar]

hace 16 minutos, holymolly dijo:

Soo.. I did a thing .. I wanted to see how cheap I could get a mythic. I started with 390 combativity in stock and burned through that with 8 50x buttons (well 7 and 4 10x but they cost as much as 8 50x so ..) that resulted in 55 shards .. the end result for me .. after I did a couple of refills and used some additional free combativity from this PoV and dailys:
2384 kobans and 5 sandalwoods spent (well 4,5 technically) (spoiler: the drop rate was still a bit below average since I needed a little over 700 fights )

 

After upgrading her I can say: She definitely makes the bottom 3 mythics so far for me ..not too sure if she´s the worst or 2nd worst for me personally but she´s down there.

You have obtained it easily it seems, with few kobans, I also used the same technique of hitting 50, 10 when I had no more, in addition to using the free fights and all that leads me to be less than 75% as recently I mentioned. It cannot be that you hit 50 hits added to the fact that you have the perfume and it gives you only 2 fragments

[bolitho76]

One drop out of 50 is below average, but far away from unlikely in every real rng System. With a chance from 6 to 94 or 7 to 93 (the aveage is between 6 and 7 with tendency to 7) it's normal that you have to do hundred of thousands trys to surely have a conclusion with an average drop result. It's not like you have a tombola where you have 100 tickets and 6 or 7 with a price and one after the other will be opend until the 100 are exhausted and than a new batch will filled in. The System is so that every time you make an attack on the villain you have to choose one from 100 tickets and 6 or 7 of them are a good and the others a bad result. After you have chekced if you had a good or a bad result the tombola ticket will be return in the pool and you have to try again and so every try had the same chance. Everyone who roll a dice in a game knows that it can be that you have days were you never have a needed result and at other days you have the luck and get the needed results in a row.

11.000 Koban spend and the girl on 75% is a bad streak and that's sad but (and that's sadly true too) it's far away from impossible in a rng System with a 6-7% dropchance.

[Gotaku]

While I do want her and I think the art is good, Im skipping because cant afford to waste all my kobans and not get it. That droprate still scares me, cant take chances.

[DvDivXXX]

1 hour ago, Kojot said:

because of this kink I'm not sure if I want to waste my kobans on Titania whose common rarity and story version was a giantess in a few scenes...

From what I've seen, she doesn't seem to include this theme in this variant. Mythics are usually as "safe", be it vanilla or at least cleanly within the parameters of most popular kinks as per Rosso's data analyst as it gets. I'd even call them pretty boring in terms of sex scenes and kinks in general. So I'd basically expect "bondage" (or at least ropes, as is Kinkoid's understanding of that kink), a reasonable amount of eye candy for us foot fetishists (but not too much either), some male>female domination, and otherwise nothing you wouldn't find in your average mainstream non-niche porn flick. Giantess fetish would surprise me about as much as rimming or actual female>male domination (that is, not Kinkoid's misrepresentation of that kink over the past three years, eg "fuck me senseless and cum all over me like a good boy" ^^).

But since I'm going for her, I can let you know once I upgrade her (which unfortunately might not be done before the end of the event, considering my gift stash ^^). But perhaps someone with deeper pockets will already be able to answer you.

[holymolly]

1 hour ago, gasgar said:

You have obtained it easily it seems, with few kobans, I also used the same technique of hitting 50, 10 when I had no more, in addition to using the free fights and all that leads me to be less than 75% as recently I mentioned. It cannot be that you hit 50 hits added to the fact that you have the perfume and it gives you only 2 fragments

have you actually read my post? Maybe translate it to your Native language since you don´t seem to either understand English too great or you simply didn´t bother reading it ..(worse than average isn´t "easily" fyi)

And I also had 2 50x fights without any drop ..it happens sometimes unfortunately

[DvDivXXX]

What he doesn't understand is the basic concepts behind most features in this game, such as droprates, odds, RNG etc. His comments come across as old emails from the bad beats pile from back when I worked in online poker.

[gasgar]

hace 19 minutos, holymolly dijo:

have you actually read my post? Maybe translate it to your Native language since you don´t seem to either understand English too great or you simply didn´t bother reading it ..(worse than average isn´t "easily" fyi)

And I also had 2 50x fights without any drop ..it happens sometimes unfortunately

I speak Spanish, I handle myself as a translator. The reality is that in a shot of 50 fights, it may not give you any shards. In this case I speak from my experience

[DvDivXXX]

Just now, gasgar said:

I speak Spanish, I handle myself as a translator. The reality is that in a shot of 50 fights, it may not give you any shards. In this case I speak from my experience

Noted. Please stop derailing the thread with this side discussion about your own luck or lack thereof for this particular event, and especially compared to the good or bad luck of others, though. Nobody cares. Thanks.

[lepidocter]

2 hours ago, Kojot said:

seeing a person big as a building and another small person doing something sexual to them.

...considering sometime is hard to satisfy someone tall as you, how much fatigue I had to do to arouse a GIANT loli? It's too depressive.

 

[Methos2]

There were plenty of regulars who complained about bad luck and met with sympathy. Why assume it was the player fault in this case?! We share drop rates on the forum so we can have an expect range. So I do care what he has to say.

@gasgar The most fights I did without any shards on MD was about 200. So, it is possible to have no drop in 50 fights. Fortunately, that usually balanced it with a a streak of good luck before or after. Let's hope that will be your case too.

[DvDivXXX]

1 hour ago, Methos2 said:

There were plenty of regulars who complained about bad luck and met with sympathy. Why assume it was the player fault in this case?! We share drop rates on the forum so we can have an expect range. So I do care what he has to say.

Way to miss the point... Yes, there are plenty of people who share their good luck or their bad luck and are met with sympathy for it around here. And yes, beyond that many regulars share their data, all of it, good, average and bad, as part of community efforts to actually estimate odds and stuff.

What @gasgar has been doing for the past few posts fits none of those bills, though. He's just whining, venting his frustration over his immediate bad luck (showing lack of ability to see the big picture about odds) and also bordering on throwing accusations of foul play Kinkoid's way just because he happens to be unlucky (in his first post here specifically). That's not something anyone sane or welcomed here should care about or even tolerate. And if he furthers insists, he will get warned and possibly sanctioned for it. Feel free to pretend his behavior is fine and cuddle him all you want, but he's walking on thin ice and so will you if you keep pushing this kind of "I know what mods should do better than they do" agenda.

Please do receive this message, @Methos2. Your anti-mod (or more specifically anti-ME) attitude has been tolerated long enough. It would be wise to tone it the fuck down right about now. Cheers and kisses.

[Liliat]

Il y a 1 heure, Methos2 a dit :

There were plenty of regulars who complained about bad luck and met with sympathy. Why assume it was the player fault in this case?

Mostly because 75 shards with 3 boosters means you're not perma-boosted, which is the best way to throw kobans through the window. With 3 boosters, you should get to anywhere between 44 and 66 shards; and once you reach 66, you should spend another booster.

Sub-optimal play is the main reason for bad results in this case; not bad luck (Although it could be both).