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2 minutes ago, jelom said:

And the new D2 this week, Oh! only one bracket with 195 players ...

Yup. Will only cost more than you get for rewards to face all the opponents for anything below rank 4. Even rank 2-4 only make a profit if spending is done quite late in the league. Looking like a koban spending fest for those going for the ranks. Well at least if you are lucky enough to double up on xp contests you will have no shortage of available xp to potentially win some of the kobans used back.

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1 hour ago, jelom said:

And the new D2 this week, Oh! only one bracket with 195 players ...

So I guess this means there were the same # of D1 last week as the week before. 105 D2 last week, +105 promotions, -15 demotions, and here we are with 195. I'd have expected there were still enough people coming up the ranks to grow the # of D1 leagues but I guess that's all slowing down now.

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13 hours ago, BoogerStick said:

So I guess this means there were the same # of D1 last week as the week before. 105 D2 last week, +105 promotions, -15 demotions, and here we are with 195. I'd have expected there were still enough people coming up the ranks to grow the # of D1 leagues but I guess that's all slowing down now.

my guess is this is a late result of the 1 week early d2. if it started 1 week later from 8 d1 groups this mess in the 2nd week shouldn't have been the case. well let's hope for d3 it goes that way again.
i think that we should get 3 groups next season as still only 15 demote and it should be at least 8 d1 groups this week. but i lack data to proof it. maybe @_shal_ has some insights.

 

here's my alt's s3 with 104 players (and also containing "fab" :D ) :

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1 hour ago, Lhans said:

What's roughly the average EGO of the competitors in S3 these days? Contemplating if I should move up. Got crushed the last time.

from what i see in my alt's s3 i'd say roughly 160k-170k, highest being 205k and lowest 137k.

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5 hours ago, Lhans said:

What's roughly the average EGO of the competitors in S3 these days? Contemplating if I should move up. Got crushed the last time.

Hi Lhans, I usually make a list of ego buckets. 19x: 6 means there are 6 players 190,000 to 199,999 ego. My current S3 looks like this:

20x:  1
19x:  6
18x: 20
17x: 24
16x: 27
15x: 17
14x:  8

My last one was a bit tougher. (3 20x) You would do fine in this S3 with 175 K ego. You would not want to be in the top 15 and promote to D1 anyway :D so you really only compete with the bottom half of 18x and below. A 165 with some fancy footwork (boosters and judges)  should get you to 50th. Anything below that and I would nope outta promotion.

As an aside I sorta wish I could see leagues other than mine. It would be interesting and possibly entertaining.

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1 hour ago, snowman22 said:

Hi Lhans, I usually make a list of ego buckets. 19x: 6 means there are 6 players 190,000 to 199,999 ego. My current S3 looks like this:

20x:  1
19x:  6
18x: 20
17x: 24
16x: 27
15x: 17
14x:  8

Yeah, I'm at 14x ... Just wondered if people higher than me had moved up the leagues since it gets tiring staying at 16th place in S2 all the time.

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Getting the numerical tracking efforts back on track...

The last full accounting was attempted for Season 18 between the 17th and 24th of January:

On 1/23/2019 at 8:10 PM, _shal_ said:

zed that I neglected to summarize the numbers for the current week. We had been expecting this:

Demotions obviously worked again, but the re-addition of the suspended players apparently placed them straight back in their original league tiers, so no actual punishment there at all beyond the one-week ban... Anyway, that meant slightly more players at all levels, with full reporting for D1 (thanks, everyone!) putting it at 549 players. The numbers are all out of whack now, in any case, so no more assuming that any level has a multiple of 15 players. With the S3 reports being for brackets of either 100 or 101 players, there are presumably just over 1600 in there now...no way to confirm the exact total anymore, but 16 brackets should hopefully be correct.

All mentioned S2's had 102 participants, and I'm not sure now if my extrapolated guess of 4020 was too high and we're only at something like 3980, or if there were so many suspended returning players that it's even around 4080. It may be time to abandon trying to track S2 to this level of detail now. Hopefully next season's numbers will help clarify if there were 39 or 40 brackets.

With data that has become available since then, these can now be quasi-confirmed as:

S2: approx. 3980, i.e. not 40 groups after all
S3: >1600 and apparently <1605 (the reason for this will be apparent in a moment)
D1: 549 confirmed

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Projected for Season 19 between the 24th and 31st of January were:

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S2: approx. 4400 (very unreliable estimate)
S3: ~1800 (based on promotions from 40 S2 brackets...we'll surely find out if it's just over or just under 1800, based on the bracket sizes)
D1: 714

D1 was confirmed by full accounting:

On 1/25/2019 at 8:10 PM, _shal_ said:

To summarize the posted D1's (snip) ...

So, 717 players total including apparently another three who returned from their suspensions.

S3 had groups of 104 and 105 players, so must have fallen short of 1800 after all, with a total somewhere below 1785 (otherwise there wouldn't have been any 104's) - that's what implies only 39 S2's for the week before and fewer than 1605 S3 players there (1605 - 2x240 moving out to S2 and D1 + 75 coming in from D1 + 585 coming in from S2 = 1785). Obviously the number must also be greater than 1780, to match up with >1600 the week before. So, the presumed numbers here for Season 19:

S2: 42 groups (only broad guesses possible here now)
S3: 1782...picked at random from the possible 1781-1784 range
D1: 717

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On to last week's Season 20 between the 31st of January and the 7th of February:

D2 formed, taking 105 players up into the new tier. That left 717 minus 2x105 players in D1, plus 17x15 = 255 promotions from S3, for a presumed new total of 762. This matches up with the reported bracket sizes of 108 and 109 there.

S3 had brackets of 100 and 101 players, which indicates that it reached just over 2000 in total. With the guess of 42 S2's for the previous week, this would be 2007 here now.

S2 ought to have had 44 groups here, based on what follows next.

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So, now this week's Season 21:

As already noted, since D1 failed to fill 8 brackets the week before, we ended up with a monster D2 of 195 players. D1 itself should be at 867 now (2x7x15 out, 20x15 in from S3 and 1x15 in from D2, net gain 105), which again led to groups of 108/109 players.

The reports for S3 have so far come in at multiple 104's and one 103 (snowman22's, which I'm also in), which indicates 2172 players (2x20x15 out, 44x15 and 7x15 in, net gain 165)...more or fewer players than 44x15 coming up from S2 should have led to different bracket sizes, either 102/3 (at 2157) or 104/5 (at 2187).

Based on the recent developments down there, S2 likely has 46 groups now, although 47 is also possible.

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Projections for next week's Season 22:

S2: 48 or 49 groups
S3: 2352 or 2367
D1: 957
D2: 300

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Highly speculative numbers for S2 to D2 for the next few weeks until the creation of D3 (simple assumption: everything fed by 2 additional S2 groups each week):

Season 23: 50xx / 2517 / 1077 / 390
Season 24: 52xx / 2667 / 1197 / 495
Season 25: 54xx / 2832 / 1317 / 600
Season 26: 56xx / 2997 / 1437 / 705

So, we may be getting D3 after 7 weeks of D2, but it looks to be close. May take an 8th week.

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On 2/8/2019 at 5:21 PM, Chthugha said:

My D1 with 108 players.
For the second time in a row, I run into this xxxvvdxxx person from the Ukraine.
This just looks like he loves the Dutch political party vvd, which would make him a rich person or someone leading a company 🤔

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Or a pervert. Or the guy who paid them to ratify the Ukraine treaty. 😱

I see you are with Sandkonner. I keep running into him a lot. Tough customer.

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On 2/9/2019 at 11:15 PM, _shal_ said:

Highly speculative numbers for S2 to D2 for the next few weeks until the creation of D3 (simple assumption: everything fed by 2 additional S2 groups each week):

Season 23: 50xx / 2517 / 1077 / 390
Season 24: 52xx / 2667 / 1197 / 495
Season 25: 54xx / 2832 / 1317 / 600
Season 26: 56xx / 2997 / 1437 / 705

So, we may be getting D3 after 7 weeks of D2, but it looks to be close. May take an 8th week.

sounds like the 195 group will repeat in the 2nd d3 week. if your estimation is too high and season 26 will only have 690 players in d2 then d3 will start 1 week later with 120 people but immediately 2 groups in the 2nd week. i'm not sure what i like/dislike more though. 🤣

anyways... thanks for the rollup of the last seasons. 👍

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