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[Horsting]

How much do people donate in your case for donation DCs? I am level bracket 361-400 now and always think that I get much more even from EPx1 for this amount of Ymen. I mean 1st donated 320M. That player is level 390. Not sure how expensive EPx1 is then, but on my level 361 it is about 250k, i.e. 1280 EPx1 rolls. You get a little less than half of the money back when selling the equipment drops, like on today's selling contest with additional synergy, i.e. when iteratively reinvesting it, you can buy close to doubled the amount of EPx1 rolls until all Ymen>equipment has turned into GXP and affection.

Conservatively assuming 2000 EPx1 rolls, this is about 500k GXP and 250k affection, as the worst alternative rewards you can get for 320M Ymen (not taking into account equipment value as MG material and for selling contests either). Versus 300 kobans, 3 tickets and 100 gems, with the risk to end up with only 120 kobans, 2 tickets and 50 gems, hmm.

Am I missing something or are players dragged into a waaay to expensive contest which does not pay out? The 80k was placed within the first hour of the day, the 128k within the last minute by a sniper. So this was no long battle where people forgot to check back price-value ratio, while bidding higher and higher, like a frog in slowly heated water, but a pressure free decision by everyone involved.

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Ravi edit: he meant EPx1s GPx10s.

Horsting edit: Ah, no I actually meant GPx1 😄.

Edited August 31, 2023 by Horsting
Ravi edit: he meant EPx1s GPx10s.

[mdnoria]

Here is my 480-520 bracket for the same event (finished 49th, because was not here on reset so I value the extra fist more than 5-10 gems and a ticket or some forgettable ymens) :

I already saw some 400k~500k at first place in donate ymens contests so 800k~1B ymens.

We are swimming in ymens past a certain point, I have 9 billions now for example and I could have much more if I was selling more equipment.

Kobans is the only valuable ressource in these contests, gems much less since CbC.

Edited August 30, 2023 by mdnoria

[garadron]

It really depends on the day I guess, last time we had this spending contest on Nutaku, I've won with a similar score (cca 120k), but sometimes people go HARD on it with 300k+ for some reason.

In my case, ymens are worthless when I'm sitting at 3,2 bilion, I could probably win a lot more often but I never cared enough to calculate how much money I can throw away at contests like this until I'm suddenly short on ymens.

But if I can exchange ymens for nubans without too many clicks, I'll do it no problem.

And I'm not even generating all the ymens I could. I fight champions only for DC's, PoA, DG's and when they have girls. I'm getting money from 3 girls that together give 1 milion. And I'm not sure how long I'd have to scroll down my equipment page to reach the bottom but after scrolling down 7 levels of gear from 517 to 510 I got 2000+ items worth another 3 billion ymens and when I open Mythic Gear level up menu the lowest level I got there is 442.

It's not that I don't want to have even more ymens in my bank, it's just that the game is too inconvenient to do so and there's no real value to it XD

[DvDivXXX]

1 hour ago, Horsting said:

Am I missing something or are players dragged into a waaay to expensive contest which does not pay out?

You're not really missing anything. The "donation" format is basically a trap and the best play by far is exactly what MD apparently did inadvertently, and I do purposely: don't partake, and hope no daily task or other routine thing takes that single Fist away from you.

25 minutes ago, garadron said:

ymens are worthless when I'm sitting at 3,2 bilion

They used to be, more or less. That stopped being the case quite awhile ago with the introduction of MG pieces, and as of this writing, Ymens are the most valuable they've ever been.

I'd be interested to know what you've got in terms of MGs, GGs, and light bulbs while you're sitting on your dormant billions in Ymens, not buying or upgrading gear, and not fighting your regular champions 24/7 as the introduction of GS dictates. I'd be very surprised if, given your account, (hypothetically, of course!) I couldn't find anything useful to do with all those Ymens. ^^ I had billions too just a few months ago, now I'm running super low and I have billions worth of upgrades I'd like to make but can't yet.

Then again, you're in a chill phase and playing BG3 so it's not surprising you don't want to go through all these chores, or maybe you don't even notice some of them. And as I already said, that's a good thing, for you. I just wouldn't want other players who are still very dedicated to progressing in HH to take your case as guidelines to follow. ^^

[Horsting]

Yes, in 400+ brackets I do understand it, Ymens become even less a shortage (I also have about 450M on the bank and not really any shot- or mid-term use for it), and EPx1 costs up to 2.5M, i.e. 10 times more than for me now, without any significant rewards value added. It is only my current level bracket where IMO it is a complete waste to donate more than about 20-30M with a chance for 1st and 10-20M for top 4. All the remaining spare Ymen are better pumped into EPx1 as long as it is still below ~500k or so, even if one currently has no GXP/aff shortage: It will come earlier or later for sure, and buying EPx1 later will just be more expensive.

EDIT: Thanks @DvDivXXX, I totally forgot about the new EqPx1 Ymen sink. So far I see it as a little too expensive, but probably this will change. MG on the other hand is mostly maxed already in my case, and given the low drop/rewards rate for matching class+AP MG, and that you get a blessings week where a certain new color/element is to be maxed out, I think it is only peanuts compared to Ymen sources.

Another thing is resetting girls' skills! Investing a few hundred Ymen into moving bulbs from last weeks team to new week will probably give you more value regarding league reward changes than those 300 kobans.

Edited August 30, 2023 by Horsting

[Ravi-Sama]

I've been playing Days Gone on the side, and it hasn't affected my ability to play HH, CxH, and PSH.  I got 2 girls from the PoAs and 2 from the SEs, in the 3 games.  I'll also get a top 4 in HH's league this week.

Decided to try it, b/c I heard it was an underappreciated, but good game, and likely to not get a sequel.

Sometimes, I'm in the mood to manage my harems, and other times I wanna explore 🏍️ a sandbox game, filled w/ zombies 💀. 

I'm good at multi-tasking, and my PC can handle anything, so I can set a timer on the side to check leagues or champions, whilst playing the game, pause, and then resume it.

[Horsting]

My laptop would SO not be able to play this game 😅. Video game times is over for me. I like the review though. Funny that a game starts worse and becomes better, as commonly it is the other way round (or it just stays as good as it starts).

[garadron]

It might be tough to create a proper summary considering the clunky interface but I'll try.

Mythic Gear:

as far as I understand, this is the combo I should be aiming for:

I think I remember this being settled on back when MG was introduced. Filtering for gear from my class (HC) with these 2 bonuses my situation looks like this:

I have a yellow team so I should upgrade that robot that's level 1 right now and swap the rat as that one's red. I had to miss that during spend money tasks for PoA because I'd do that if I remembered I had it.

Girl Skills:

pretty much didn't touch it apart from giving skills to the only 2 E5 girls. The resource is so non existant that I'm still afraid to use it and I can't get myself into reading the 15 pages in the Girl Skill topic on Forums. I'm still hoping there will be a TL;DR summary once the meta settles in

Girl Gear:

not sure how to show it, I'm upgrading Mythics only and might start upgrading Legendaries if I'm out of Mythics to upgrade. This is my current gear setup:

So I'm almost able to get all Legendary/Mythic setup. Once I get that, I'll start using Epics as fuel as I was using only Commons/Rares for now.

Fun fact: I completely forgot about Girl Gear this week, it's already Wednesday evening and I've just now equiped my current team

[Horsting]

40 minutes ago, garadron said:

as far as I understand, this is the combo I should be aiming for:

I am not sure whether +2% defence really is better than +4% harmony. Of course it depends on the individual opponent, but also in average I mean. At least I do currently not prefer one over the other but handle both equal. Okay I anyway have no two AP bonus MG with same color but different color bonus, so never needed to decide. Would be actually interesting to collect some data about that.

[mdnoria]

@DvDivXXX I think it's because our goals in leagues differs that we are playing differently. I'm not targeting a top4 (or a top1 in your case) in leagues but only a top 15 so I don't need to find each micro-optimization from every source available in the micro-management hell this game has become in the last year.

I would not really put MG pieces as the moment where ymens became useful and never became useless again because at the start, yeah you upgraded any piece which was better than what you already had and sold less trash gear than before because it was useful to upgrade those pieces. But I now have a lot of MG with attack bonus for my class. Since 3-4 months, I rarely upgrade more than 1 MG piece a month.

I'm steadily upgrading my girl common gear and all is lvl 5 atm and I have 7 mythic pieces which are level 2 or 3 which I upgraded before taking the common gear lvl 10 route.
For girls skills, I barely used any bulbs except on Mavin last week and on the 3 starting girls for ymens.
I'm not doing more champion fights than before because I find the game to be enough time consuming without that. I'm only doing champion fights when there is a contest or for PoA tasks like before.

I could clearly find a use to all these ymens but I don't care much.

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Edit:

Il y a 2 heures, DvDivXXX a dit :

what MD apparently did inadvertently

You can ref/ping me because I nearly missed this was me xD.

I only partake in the donation contests if I'm available at reset time because you really can't win it without sniping or without spending a lot to have enough of an advantage.

I find it okayish to spend : 80k for a top 4 > 120 kobans / 120k for a top 1 > 300 kobans.

 

Edited August 30, 2023 by mdnoria
Answering DvDivXXX

[DvDivXXX]

3 hours ago, Horsting said:

EPx1

You meant to say GPx10 all along, I think? ^^ Apart from that we largely agree.

2 hours ago, garadron said:

Mythic Gear:

as far as I understand, this is the combo I should be aiming for:

The first part is definitely settled, but I've never jumped on the "+2% Defense > +4% Harmony" bandwagon. It's just a more private thing these days as I don't really care to convince anyone either way, and I most definitely don't want to relive the flame war that ensued when I didn't see eye to eye with a famous and otherwise beloved script maker on this question. Plus, it's a very secondary question after full Attack set of your Class, then same thing but for a matching and preferably good to great color.

I have one fully upgraded same-color set for my Class (which includes 4 Defense pieces and 2 Harmony pieces, which just so happens to give me +8% in both stats; I can say it's great but I haven't had the luxury of being able to swap out otherwise identical pieces to check the subtle differences between the one with +2% Def and the one with +4% Harmo, yet ^^).

I also have 2 fully upgraded pieces of different colors, 2 others I'm only halfway through upgrading, and 14 more pieces of various other colors that are still lagging far behind at level 1. Forget billions: upgrading all of that will probably cost trillions. Not to mention any new useful pieces I'm still hoping to get along the way.

So yeah, this alone explains a lot of how differently we each value Ymens. ^^

2 hours ago, garadron said:

Girl Skills:

pretty much didn't touch it apart from giving skills to the only 2 E5 girls. The resource is so non existant that I'm still afraid to use it and I can't get myself into reading the 15 pages in the Girl Skill topic on Forums. I'm still hoping there will be a TL;DR summary once the meta settles in

One of my club mates asked for exactly that yesterday. I'll just copy paste my TL;DR here:

3 hours ago, Horsting said:

Another thing is resetting girls' skills! Investing a few hundred Ymen into moving bulbs from last weeks team to new week will probably give you more value regarding league reward changes than those 300 kobans.

Yeah, that's actually the Ymen sink I was referring to. I'm nowhere near at the point where I can safely afford to burn 45M a pop on random GG pieces. Besides, any usage of Ymens is more valuable than literally burning them at the altar of a basic contest instead of using them. Even if you "win" the 300 kobans, in the long run that's not worth stunting your progress in all the meta-changing areas in which Ymens are invaluable and far too scarce without burning them. IMHO (and indeed, as @mdnoria aptly noted, with a perspective of someone aiming to stay competitive at the highest level possible in PvP). Which is almost certainly not the perspective of those players you see destroy a billion Ymens for two days worth of daily kobans (not even that, if we count the 60 extra from visiting CxH and PsH when prompted).

2 hours ago, garadron said:

So I'm almost able to get all Legendary/Mythic setup. Once I get that, I'll start using Epics as fuel as I was using only Commons/Rares for now.

That's the very very slow, suboptimal road. It will eventually catch up to the 42 Commons First road, and my own hybrid approach of slowly upgrading the few Mythics I have while maxing out as many Commons as I can for the short to mid term. In the meantime, you're not getting anywhere near as much power from your current GG inventory as I am (and I suspect someone like Ravi who went laser-focus on the 42 Commons approach from day one is still a fair bit ahead of me). A Level 1 Legendary is barely okay as a placeholder for now, but even a Level 2 Common kicks its ass. Mythics really start to shine past Level 5, so you're good to go on those 4 lonely pieces (while my 8 ones aren't all there quite yet), but your other 38 pieces barely give any stats. Long term, Legendaries are definitely 100% worth keeping and eventually upgrading too, and in a very distant future someone might have enough Mythics of different slots to fully equip one girl out of seven, but by the time this happens those with up to 42 level 10 Commons will be way ahead of the curve.

That's another supermassive black hole of a Ymen sink, the biggest one of all by far. It depends on where you're at and how far or how fast you want to progress in PvP (and through PvP, in every other area of the game). But yeah, I would definitely not have billions of Ymens or thousands of MG materials gathering dust in your current situation. ^^

Thanks for sharing, and please don't assume I'm judging, I was just assessing your current account power against your stashed resources from the perspective of "if this were my account, what would I do?".

[Horsting]

7 hours ago, DvDivXXX said:

You meant to say GPx10 all along, I think? ^^ Apart from that we largely agree.

Ah dammit, it still happens, and I thought I finally stopped mixing them up 😄. I actually meant GPx1. In terms of value/Ymen it's better than GPx10. The C1 girls are sufficiently fast cleared with free GPx10 orbs, IMO, and also I always have GPx10 orbs stored for CbC and casino DC/LC, so that I cannot buy them. On CbC day 1 I always first empty my GPx1 orbs, which opens the possibility to buy GPx1 rolls.

[DvDivXXX]

11 hours ago, mdnoria said:

You can ref/ping me because I nearly missed this was me xD.

I only partake in the donation contests if I'm available at reset time because you really can't win it without sniping or without spending a lot to have enough of an advantage.

I find it okayish to spend : 80k for a top 4 > 120 kobans / 120k for a top 1 > 300 kobans.

Fair. It's just that I like to have a shorter/simpler nickname to use for those whose user name is a bit of a mouthful for me to remember and type (Numbers is the poster child for this, obv ^^). "MD" wasn't a great one for you anyway, as it's the acronym for Mythic Days.

As for donation contests, you're clearly still in the fluffy and adorable lower brackets where pocket change is still enough to secure a top 4 or a win, so that's a very different story from those of us in the BoD. If you can actually turn 120k into 300 kobans, by all means go for it! In the BoD a top 4 typically costs half a billion or more, so that's not worth it imho.

2 hours ago, Horsting said:

I always have GPx10 orbs stored for CbC and casino DC/LC, so that I cannot buy them. On CbC day 1 I always first empty my GPx1 orbs, which opens the possibility to buy GPx1 rolls.

I do the exact opposite, but there are pros and cons for either strategy. GPx1s are much more valuable in contests that just say "use pachinko orbs" whereas GPx10s are worth more in contests with different fixed values for each type of orb. The important thing is to keep at least one of them open as it's by far the most convenient non-wasteful way to tackle any "spend cash" tasks.

[garadron]

thanks for the analysis @DvDivXXX, I guess I should start using both harmony and hp bonuses on my Mythic Gear. After all, a bonus is better than no bonus at all

With Girl Skills I'm still not sure on which girls to use it for. I don't want to bother with respeccing bulbs from girls to other girls based on blessings as some people were suggesting, and I don't want to check that weird synergy skill for poses/eyes/hairs. I don't mind being suboptimal since I don't care about top4 since the level cap increase happened but I don't want to waste the bulbs either.

Do I have enough to even max out 1 legendary? Should I just upgrade Michaela because she has the highest chance to be in top 7 while being blue or black L5?

And lastly for Girl Gear I think I don't want to go the Common route because I like looking at items with red/purple background more XD

All in all you could call my approach to the game "bare minimum you have to do to stay in top 15" with a very strong aversion towards adding any more chores to stay relevant. I already feel like I'm spending too much time on managing a web browser game (especially after you know what happened)  

14 hours ago, Ravi-Sama said:

I've been playing Days Gone on the side, and it hasn't affected my ability to play HH, CxH, and PSH

good for you, Ravi, I just couldn't force myself to do the same when I'm immersed into one of the best games I have ever played. Especially because I'm playing with my wife in coop  Just imagining having an alarm go out during an emotional cutscene or some amazing dialog or an intense combat... ugh, never XD

[DvDivXXX]

16 minutes ago, garadron said:

Do I have enough to even max out 1 legendary?

Yes, it takes 23 light bulbs, so with your 26 you have just enough for one. Given all the other variables and your overall approach, I don't think it's worth using them anytime soon in your situation, though.

16 minutes ago, garadron said:

All in all you could call my approach to the game "bare minimum you have to do to stay in top 15" with a very strong aversion towards adding any more chores to stay relevant. I already feel like I'm spending too much time on managing a web browser game (especially after you know what happened)  

For sure, I completely understand and respect that. It's not an approach I could take because it would kill (what's left of) the game for me, so as long as I'm hanging in there, I'm going to min-max my ass off and fight tooth and nails to the bitter end. If/when I reach the point where that's no longer worth it, I'm more likely to quit than to go in casual mode. But to each their own, and I wish I could spend less time and energy on this game too. ^^

Anyway, this was an interesting thought experiment and it also helped me get a better understanding of many other players who also claim they have too much Ymens on their hands and no use for them. Thank you for this. And keep enjoying whatever you enjoy, man! ❤️ 

[garadron]

so that apparently happened

Is there still hope to go back?

[DvDivXXX]

11 minutes ago, garadron said:

Is there still hope to go back?

Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. Fingers crossed.

[holymolly]

2 minutes ago, DvDivXXX said:

Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. Fingers crossed.

most of us are out of hope and fingers to cross though..

[garadron]

If we can go back to having proper affection scenes, I have no problem supporting the game again and I'll gladly see the closure of my little data gathering topic about CSQG's. Only time will tell

[DvDivXXX]

42 minutes ago, holymolly said:

most of us are out of hope and fingers to cross though..

Preaching to the choir, dude. ^^

[Tom208]

Just a question : can no changes be considered a change?
If the answer is yes, then I am fully confident in this KK's message.

[Der DinX]

At least it wouldn't be worse than before, I think yes, that could be considered a good thing.

[Tom208]

il y a 24 minutes, Der DinX a dit :

At least it wouldn't be worse than before

How dare you? 😈
I'm fully confident in KK to do worst things.

[mdnoria]

Yeah ! New month new bug. No free monthly shop deal for me this time. A ticket has been made.

Already had this problem with a free weekly deal in august and the ticket was resolved in less than 2 hours by mimir (rated the answer with 5 to everything).

Let's hope this goes as smoothly this time.

Am I the only one with these missing free deals on some reset ?

[garadron]

yup, didn't work for me and I also saw people on Discord reporting the same