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[windia]

2 hours ago, Сибарит said:

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I can truly consider myself a terminator. If you think that I am not a real terminator, you may offend me. However, if I get hit by a car, it will become obvious to everyone that I am not quite a real terminator.Edited

(thx for the edit for englishibility)

Do you say that being a terminator gives you the power to not die from a car accident? (like in the movies)

Well, then this is still apples with oranges. 

Because considering myself a woman does _not_ give me any super power a man cannot have and vice versa.

If you want to compare your sense of self/ self-awareness with what is found in your body: your dead body can neither prove  nor deny it. it exists mostly in your living brain.

 

So I can compare body functions vs. my awareness of it. That is why science speaks of biological sex and social gender.

[JoeEl85]

For me, Strap-Ons are okay, but actual penises?  I'm sorry, that's not just a no, or even a hell no, but a FUCK NO.

As for the Hero getting pegged, that was one of the lowlights for me in this game and if there is more of it, I may quit and be done with it.   If I want to see a guy take it in the ass, I'll play GH, thank you.

[Kyonyuu Lover]

   😆

 

Seriously, the better solution here, i believe, would be to still have that type of content (on girls poses and the stars levels) but with some sort of option that would enable players to have it on or off. The drawback, and it could be a major one, it would imply the art staff have more work to do and implementing said on/off system could be a bitch to do, dont know since i understand zero shit of that stuff. Personally not something i like, in particular the pegging stuff, but hey, people like what they like.

[Observer_X]

@DvDivXXX.
And you too, @windia.

Do not get offended, but you brought the matter leagues far from where I am able to follow you, especially in a porn game forum, where, as I said, I come to relax, i.e. talk about simple game matters, not important social matters. @windia, I hope you forgive me if I will not answer to your questions, but I will stop once more to what @DvDivXXX mentioned: I agree about the fact that we don't agree. I should have specified in my last post that my wish was to be that those words were my last ones on the matter, but once more I failed, so I had to put remedy here. You're free to consider me intolerant or superficial, if you wish, but as I am sure you came to understood, I am not the worst guy you can talk around here.

Also, allow me to point out that IMHO the discussion went way beyond the topic introduced by @hammer713, so it would be best for anyone who wants to keep opening a thread in the off topic section. So, once more, I give my excuses to fellow players for the off topic.

[DvDivXXX]

3 hours ago, AnuzDestroyah said:

The drawback, and it could be a major one, it would imply the art staff have more work to do and implementing said on/off system could be a bitch to do, dont know since i understand zero shit of that stuff.

Yeah, they're barely able to somewhat maintain the art quality above water as it is, and they've just decided to pump out even more new content every month, so I don't see it working out at all for the art team. As far as the UI is concerned, it should not be that much work in theory, but they've surprised us before on that front, with seemingly minuscule changes either taking them months to implement, or not being implemented at all, even stuff that a player was able to do unofficially with a few lines of script.

Beyond that, I'm not thrilled by the idea of "hiding" some content for players unable to stomach it. It would set a bad precedent imho, and go against the concept of having a wide range of kinks and fetishes, and accepting that not everything can please everyone. And we seem to be on the same page on this:

3 hours ago, AnuzDestroyah said:

Personally not something i like, in particular the pegging stuff, but hey, people like what they like.

I'm really not into bukkake, for instance, and they used to have the final pose of like 99% of the girls as a post-bukkake snapshot. Well, in a lot of cases the pose I select for me to see in my own harem for girls from that era is not the last one, and that's it. I didn't get sick or threaten to quit the game over it. I understand that some people will like stuff that I don't, and vice versa. Same goes for very muscle heavy girls like Bellona, Gork and others: I'm not the target, but I'm fine with them being in the game, and in my harem, and I'm glad they're there for fans of this body type, of whom they have quite a few. Monsters, hybrids, tentacle stuff, the list goes on and on of stuff that doesn't happen to scratch an itch for me, or that I dislike, even, but I'm fine with it being there because at least it's not vanilla and there are fans for it. The more variety there is, the more likely it becomes that non-vanilla stuff that I do like shows up here and there.

If it's all vanilla all the time, then no one's going to get shocked (and even then, you never know, someone complained about man on woman anal sex once), but no one with any sexual fantasies beyond the most mainstream stuff will really enjoy the erotic aspect of the game all that much either. It's a fair tradeoff to make, imho. Live and let live. Let others enjoy their kinks so that you can also enjoy yours.

Not everyone may have this in mind, but you can select your favorite pose for each and every girl in your harem, and it will be the only one you'll see until you change it (you do that by clicking on the desired pose's corresponding diamond below the girl's image in your harem). The affection scenes, you can quickly skip over as you upgrade the girls if you're not into what's happening, and it's a one-time thing. I think it's a bit "safer" to explore less conventional kinks and fetishes there than in the adventure mode, where you might get stuck for a while in the middle of a sex scene you dislike until you gather enough Energy to skip it. But even there, it's not the end of the world. You don't have to revisit parts you disliked in the adventure once you went through them once (but those who like them can revisit them at will, and conversely you can revisit what you liked as well).

So yeah, TL;DR: those who act like collecting a girl they dislike is like signing a contract that forces them to add this or that to their libido might want to take a deep breath before crying wolf. Your harem in this harem game isn't your actual house, it's not your bedroom, and it's not your sexual identity. It's just a (big) part of your progress in this game, not a list of your own dream girls. What you like, enjoy. What you don't like, ignore. You'll have more fun this way, and so will everyone else.

Edited September 6, 2020 by DvDivXXX
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[Сибарит]

On this topic. A good solution would be to make a wikipedia button next to the social media buttons and show all the poses of new characters there at once, so that players can immediately decide whether they want to see them in their harem or not. But I am afraid that the artists will begin to act in logic: "I cannot draw a beautiful girl with an original character, so I just draw a dick for the girl - and she will definitely become original and not like the others."

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On 9/6/2020 at 2:52 AM, DvDivXXX said:

You know, whenever a major discrimination issue is being discussed in a large enough forum, there will always be at least one dumbass to ask [stupid questions that ignore the context of why the things they refer to exist in the first place, usually on purpose]

Such phenomena not only exist in context, but also create context. In the format you advocate, it is not a context of integration and acceptance, but a context of war (often a war against windmills and common sense).
If you get the same question all the time ... perhaps this is because the moment comes when this question must inevitably be asked, and this is somehow connected with your logical constructions.

19 hours ago, DvDivXXX said:

Yeah, usually MRA types go with the "what if I identify as a helicopter?" absurd strawman when they want to paint other people's real identity struggles as mere joke material, but your version works just as well. Congrats. You're that guy in this thread. 👏

What I see: 1) an attempt to create an association between me and some group ... and I suspect that this association should have a negative connotation (if you want me to understand you, it is better to write the full name, not an abbreviation) 2) an attempt to declare arguments pointing to gaps in your logical constructions, mockery of fighters for something very big and sacred (show me these jokers - I will send them a formidable smiley) 3) an attempt to label me (you already kept this label ready, looking around around in search of a candidate, but I didn't think it would happen so quickly).
What I do not see: the arguments with which you shoot down the helicopters (arguments) of your opponents.

 

For windia

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Do you say that being a terminator gives you the power to not die from a car accident? (like in the movies)

This means that the picture in my head is true only if it can withstand the collision with reality.

 

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So I can compare body functions vs. my awareness of it. That is why science speaks of biological sex and social gender.

The three of us (you, me and DvDivXXX) can create a common social field. We can agree that from now on and forever an apple is an orange. The problem is that if we meet a fourth person who is not part of our social field, he will immediately see that in front of him is not quite an orange. (I sincerely hope that DvDivXXX does not burn this man at the stake in the name of global tolerance.)

[_shal_]

Actual gender identity problems exist, and they should be resolved through qualified medical assistance (both of the psychological and surgical kind, as required), not by creating a Tumblr account. The vast majority of the people on the internet who are proclaiming a non-binary identity of theirs are just attention seekers who do it because it's the currently trendy thing to do. 30 years ago they would have claimed to have been abducted by aliens.

The worst thing you can do for actual transgender people is to throw them into the same pot with the attention seekers, regardless if it's out of some mistaken understanding of "tolerance", an inability to tell the difference between the two, or simple lack of interest in even trying to tell the difference between the two.

[Kenrae]

Actual gender identity problem exists because our society produces a lot of social pressure to conform to some gender identities we've constructed ourselves, they're not "natural" or written in stone (gender and sex are two different things). Saying that other people are attention seekers and trying to medicalize a social problem isn't going to solve anything, and is part of the problem actually.

I feel this topic has gone offtopic for quite some time, maybe it's time to move on or move the posts to the offtopic forum (as a matter of fact it's a favourite topic of mine and I've been controlling myself these days so that it doesn't grow).

[hammer713]

Cool cool cool. This has come a long way from where it started but again thanks for all the debates and feedback

[_shal_]

1 hour ago, Kenrae said:

Saying that other people are attention seekers and trying to medicalize a social problem isn't going to solve anything (...)

Neither is uncritically accepting anything people say about themselves without asking why they're saying it, but you do you. Suffice it to say, many people who claim non-binary gender identities could probably do with more in-depth reactions from other people than "oh, yeah, that's cool that you feel that way".

(Ironically, like many attention seeking behaviours in history it's going to be swallowed up by itself, because its mainstreaming increasingly means that the attention being received is a mile wide but only an inch deep.)

Edited September 7, 2020 by _shal_

[DvDivXXX]

1 hour ago, Kenrae said:

I feel this topic has gone offtopic for quite some time

1 hour ago, hammer713 said:

This has come a long way from where it started

Agreed, and I've moved on from the larger societal discussion we've been having already. My previous post was going back to the main topic at hand actually, that is "strapons and/or chicks with dicks" in this game. I'd love to see further discussion on that too.

@Сибарит: I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not just trolling and I'll call our exchange a misunderstanding. Agree to disagree, let's move on.

@Shal: You've made a minor point to the side off-topic discussion, which could be relevant to discuss further, but maybe in another thread.

@Kenrae: I'm with you on that, this specific thread should focus more on the in-game aspects of the proposal, and if the larger societal discussion goes on, it should be elsewhere.

I'll refrain from responding to further comments on what became an off-topic side discussion by now. I'd appreciate if everyone else could do the same.

Thanks in advance, guys.

Edited September 7, 2020 by DvDivXXX

[Daniele]

Well, i think we can say there are kinks that turn you on, others you don't particulary like or are indifferent to, and kinks that gross you out. Kinkoid is selling a product, it's quite understandable that they try to avoid things the majority of their playerbase consider gross.

They tried with rape and pegging in Magic forest, and they received a lot of criticism for both, so they steered away from that stuff.
They tried with some sort of "lesbian" cuckold with Fabienne (actually i don't consider Fabienne a female, since "she" is a genderbender version of FAB, so "her" affection scenes are pure cuckold for me), and they had a lot of complaints as well.
Then they tried with monster girls, who have been welcomed by many players, and so they gave us more of that stuff.
Now they try with a futanari, and probably they will decide what to do depending on how the playerbase will react to her (or him? They? With futanari is way more complicated than with transgenders 😋).

If our kinks are too niche we have to go elsewhere to find them, we can't ask Kinkoid to add something that 90% of the players would find disgusting.

[DvDivXXX]

1 hour ago, Daniele said:

If our kinks are too niche we have to go elsewhere to find them, we can't ask Kinkoid to add something that 90% of the players would find disgusting.

The rest of your reasoning is fair, but I think your guesstimate is insanely high here. What makes you think that mild femdom is "too niche" compared to, say, bondage (which they've been including a lot of lately, apparently by popular demand), bukkake, foot fetish, monster girls, bodybuilders or tentacles? Just to name a few fetishes that have been present in the game for a long time. And, even weirder, you seem to take it for granted that 90% of the player base is grossed out by pegging or femdom of any kind, basically, but not necessarily by futanari? This doesn't seem to make much sense to me.

Remember, as great as the forum community is, it's not always representative of the player base at large, as evidenced by various survey results in the past year or so.

The truth is, we cannot really know what a majority of players (not just the tiny portion that we forum users represent) really like or dislike, until Kinkoid tells us (or, more often than not, just shows us, indirectly). How popular or unpopular a given kink or fetish can vary a lot between the general population, people who frequent big porn sites like Pornhub with a lot of different categories, or indeed the player fanbase of this particular game (and probably others). For instance, bondage seems to be super high on the list from Kinkoid's data. That's certainly not the case if you check what's trending on streaming porn sites. Femdom, pegging, and shemales are all way, waaay more popular than bondage or S&M in general there.

In any case, we'll have to see what Kinkoid makes of this. But I wouldn't assume too much based on your own preferences or even memories of a number of posts or discussions here or on Discord. Most players don't ever visit either, but a lot of them will still make a few clicks to answer a direct in-game link to a survey (apparently).

[Daniele]

21 hours ago, DvDivXXX said:

 The rest of your reasoning is fair, but I think your guesstimate is insanely high here. What makes you think that mild femdom is "too niche" compared to, say, bondage (which they've been including a lot of lately, apparently by popular demand), bukkake, foot fetish, monster girls, bodybuilders or tentacles? Just to name a few fetishes that have been present in the game for a long time

I think there's no need to say that, out of all the things you mentioned, pegging is definitely the most controversial, the one that can gross out more people (mind you, i'm not saying the least popular). Anyway, yes, i still think the vast majority of HH players don't want to see the MC anally penetrated by a girl.

21 hours ago, DvDivXXX said:

And, even weirder, you seem to take it for granted that 90% of the player base is grossed out by pegging or femdom of any kind, basically, but not necessarily by futanari? This doesn't seem to make much sense to me.

Err... Where did you read that? I think there will be pretty much the same reaction, but who knows... I didn't see the affection scenes, maybe if Ienha's cock will stay away from MC's body they won't complain much 😆.

22 hours ago, DvDivXXX said:

The truth is, we cannot really know what a majority of players (not just the tiny portion that we forum users represent) really like or dislike, until Kinkoid tells us (or, more often than not, just shows us, indirectly). How popular or unpopular a given kink or fetish can vary a lot between the general population, people who frequent big porn sites like Pornhub with a lot of different categories, or indeed the player fanbase of this particular game (and probably others).

This is what i know: pegging scene in magic forest > lot of complaints > pegging totally vanished from the game. From this, i assume they realized that this particular kink is not welcomed by their playerbase. But if they want to give it another try, i don't mind: art-wise, there is nothing they can do to gross me out to the point of making me quit.

[DvDivXXX]

@Daniele Well, to each their own, and I mean this for tastes as well as opinions. Wait and see. Agree to disagree for now. 😃

[Chthugha]

I don't have to wait 😂 like I said, nothing shocking happens. Well, apart from "surprise, I also have a dick", which arguably would shock a group of players.

[hammer713]

Let’s keep it going so maybe to creators see it😀

[DocJD]

This game is not real life, so no reason at all to bring real life discussion into it. Pronouns, virtue signalling, PC, wokeness, etc. are irrelevant.

I can see several paths: Chicks with dicks show up in the Adventure but are NOT collectible characters. If they are collectible simply put a button on their Harem entry to switch the art to Girl Only. Allow players to dump Harem members they don't want, maybe for a generic replacement or no replacement at all. Maybe you can sell a Harem member for Kobans in the same way you sell unwanted Equipment. The price you get could depend on how much XP and Stars you've given her. Or maybe just turn her into 100 gifts like when you end up with more than 100 shards. There are plenty of solutions to keep anyone from having a Harem member they don't want to look at. Personally, I'd dump Neandertal Gork.

[windia]

On 9/15/2020 at 3:08 AM, DocJD said:

This game is not real life, so no reason at all to bring real life discussion into it. Pronouns, virtue signalling, PC, wokeness, etc. are irrelevant.

I can see several paths: Chicks with dicks show up in the Adventure but are NOT collectible characters. If they are collectible simply put a button on their Harem entry to switch the art to Girl Only. Allow players to dump Harem members they don't want, maybe for a generic replacement or no replacement at all. Maybe you can sell a Harem member for Kobans in the same way you sell unwanted Equipment. The price you get could depend on how much XP and Stars you've given her. Or maybe just turn her into 100 gifts like when you end up with more than 100 shards. There are plenty of solutions to keep anyone from having a Harem member they don't want to look at. Personally, I'd dump Neandertal Gork.

When you say "this ain't real life" - why do you care so much about what you see in the harem?

Feel free to make yourself an addon that overlays all KK pictures with your own - if you only want your sexual desires pleased.

[Horny Heroe]

I like pegging scenes a lot more than girls with dicks.

However, very pretty and cunt futanaris could be a great addition to the game.

It would be interesting for the hero to see a woman with a dick and be reluctant, but in the end she manages to seduce him.

I imagine he would fuck her pussy and ass too.

And in the end she would say "my turn" and fuck his ass.

As is common sense, the hero would be reluctant, but in the end he would end up feeling great pleasure and going back to doing it.

 

 

[FinderKeeper]

@Horny Heroe Please avoid necroposting. Especially into several threads at once. It's spammy.

If there are no ongoing threads on topic, it's ok to create one of your own.

 

Also I'm locking this as an older thread of the two.