Тёмный Властелин Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 21 minutes ago, GeorgeMTO said: Contest is out of line because it only occurs once every 24 hours, everything else isn't because if I realise I've made a mistake late, I can grab my credit card, buy a bunch of kobans and solve every other task. 1 hour ago, GeorgeMTO said: Well most of us saying this feature is bad are thinking of people other than ourselves LOL 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaa Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Тёмный Властелин said: 2) I don't see anything wrong in my opinion. Ok, let me explain again. So, what I mean is: if I use legenday book in Minds and bodies synergy contest and GeorgeMTO uses the same legendary book, I get 2500 points and GeorgeMTO gets 2500. I can use it and George can. It's equal conditions (disregarding my level or the world I reached). If I press the button "Donate 10 million Ymens" and GeorgeMTO presses that button too we both get 20000 points in the "Obtain the "sex benefactor" title" competition. We both can do it no matter the level or world reached. It's equal conditions. If I press the button "Play Great Pachinko 10 games" and GeorgeMTO presses that button we both get 1200 points in "Show off in the casino" contest. We both can do it no matter the level or world reached. It's equal conditions. And now the most interesting part. GeorgeMTO is level 250 and defeats Pandora Witch and gets 260 points in Eternal Rivalry (or They are only stairs for your glory) competition. Тёмный Властелин is level 250 and being in the same group with GeorgeMTO also wants to get 260 points for Padora Witch and successfully compete with George but can't do it cause he is still in the Magic Forest. He can only defeat Sylvanus and get 140 points. It's not equal conditions. I would say there is a flaw in your logic. You compare pressing a button with having ressources available. To clarify: If you make an anolgy between the contests, it should have been on the same logical level. If you press the pandora witch button and George does it, you both get 260 points, as you also do if you sell your legendary book or you playing the pachinko contest. The difference is, that both of you have different ressources available, you havent world 11 (or whatever it is) availabe, but George does. That would be the same as George has enough money to pay 2 pachinko games but you only have money for one. That may be also unfair, but on another level. I get your point and I also think that's a (big) disadvantage (I can remember when I was behind in worlds and how it sucked), I dont think that explanation of yours is convincing. edit: If I had to guess, I would think, that the same injustice you see in these contest I feel when I am up to a player whos 40 level ahead and playing the game 2 more years than I in a money contest. But the injustice isnt in the contest itself, it's in the way people are drawn together to compete in a contest. And if this is a injustice, what I am not really sure about, it's not reduced on two contest, but a general one. Edited April 22, 2020 by blaa 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Čamuga Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) Imma chip in here about the contests- after lvl 300 the competition starts getting real intense, especially for a f2p player myself, and the 5AM reset time on contests would make the "reach top 10" task absolutely cancerous. It's near impossible for me now to reach 1st/2nd place in contests as when I go to sleep some NA/SA player will just snipe it last second. I've had times where I aimed for 3rd place and I finished 8th, so if they make contests matter even more, believe me top 10 is gonna be cancer to get to. As of this Wu Flu stuff I've got more time now to basically sit at home and just spam arena fights when I have nothing better to do, so maybe that part, for me personally, will be fine for the upcoming event (although I understand it might be annoying for some people that have better things to do with their time ). Also here's my most recent contest (which was uniquely inactive compared to a lot of my previous contests, this one is the rare exception where no one goes for the 10k points donation apart from that 1 guy)- I invested some resources at 1 or 2 AM right before going to bed and here's what awaits in the morning. Now imagine how more common this is gonna be when the event rolls out and 1 of the requirements to get girls is to compete in contests. People are gonna try a lot harder and I anticipate in what way that's gonna change the amount of effort it takes to get to top 10, as simple/easy as it is right now. Only advantage I got now really is that I've read the forums, I've heard that you can keep contests as unclaimed rewards for quite some time + I've heard that this event is coming, so I'm basically gonna tryhard now while most people dont know/dont care to get good contest results, and then I'll just sit on those until the event rolls out, at which point I'm not even competing in the event anymore, I'm pre-competing for it since I have some info that people that aren't on the forums. One could argue is an unfair advantage that I have over other players that aren't active in the forums, but that's a whole different point (that might not even be that relevant now that I think about it, players that are in the forums tend to be more proactive so idk maybe that effort is rewarded with some meta-information or whatever) Edited April 22, 2020 by Čamuga Phrasing and wording Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miliallia Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 From this feedback it change to top 20 in contest I am ok with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Тёмный Властелин Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 55 minutes ago, blaa said: You compare pressing a button with having ressources available. No-no. Resouces availiable are out of the question. I don't see a problem in different resources availiable. I just want that the value of one entry in a contest should be exact the same for everybody, from the very beginning of the contest (and not like some people's 1 entry equals 1\2 of the other). As regards different resources availiable, I am totally fine with that. It's a matter of strategy (LOL), resource managing, saving stuff ect. You may, at least, prepare for a contest preemptively: buy books in the market for future, save all the Ymens for money competitions and not spend them on buying affection items and girls upgrading; start saving combativity 10 hours before the next day start; start saving league tokens 8 hours 35 minutes before the next day start; start saving energy 12,30 hours before the next day start. Or you may buy a bundle or spend kobans and win it like that. That is totally fine. It's a competition after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeMTO Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Тёмный Властелин said: I used incorrect wording there. Of course, it's not impossible, but it is much harder and you're not in equal conditions with the others in points gain. It didn't stop affecting me negatively. I didn't change my opinion about these 2 contests. Even with the wrong wording, I feel there's a big difference between "very difficult" and "constantly" achieving. If you disagree with my interpretation of what you meant instead of "impossible", please clarify for me, I understand that English is not your personal language of preference due to your name after all. 1 hour ago, Тёмный Властелин said: I don't understand, what previous conversation are you talking about The one where the comment I quoted was commented in. Other people raised points about how the other contests are also unfair to high level players from other points of view. I understand your view hasn't changed, but well I think it's as incorrect now as I did back then. Which if you weren't paying attention was VERY incorrect. Your personal definition of condition seems limited. I respect your right to have it, but I personally disagree with it and so will call it out. 1 hour ago, Тёмный Властелин said: LOL If you can't tell the difference between personally drawing a line on what's an outlier, or what's fair for other people, I feel tremendously sorry for the people who interact with you in the real world. 1 hour ago, Čamuga said: after lvl 300 the competition starts getting real intense Just for reference, I expect it's either 281 or 321. Contests are divided into 40 level brackets, 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaa Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 16 minutes ago, Тёмный Властелин said: No-no. Resouces availiable are out of the question. I don't see a problem in different resources availiable. I just want that the value of one entry in a contest should be exact the same for everybody, from the very beginning of the contest (and not like some people's 1 entry equals 1\2 of the other). As regards different resources availiable, I am totally fine with that. It's a matter of strategy (LOL), resource managing, saving stuff ect. You may, at least, prepare for a contest preemptively: buy books in the market for future, save all the Ymens for money competitions and not spend them on buying affection items and girls upgrading; start saving combativity 10 hours before the next day start; start saving league tokens 8 hours 35 minutes before the next day start; start saving energy 12,30 hours before the next day start. Or you may buy a bundle or spend kobans and win it like that. That is totally fine. It's a competition after all. I see that, and if you say buying kobans is also fine, you could just buy your way through the worlds to even out the odds, the button would still be the same, but what changed were your ressources, then now you can also access the button of level 11 (which is a ressource you either have or not, like money or books (then all three is gainable through ingame currency or other stuff). It could also be a strategy to not level up to stay in a lower contest bracket and gain advantage to be in a higher world (not a helpful strategy, but a strategy nonetheless). I am still not convinced and still staying on my argument that there is a logical flaw in the analogy. But not sure if I am able to get it more clear since, like you can easily see, I am still need a lot of improvement in English. But again, I think, I see what you feel as unfair, but it's on another level (which you can correct but you than get most likely new injustices). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaa Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 59 minutes ago, miliallia said: From this feedback it change to top 20 in contest I am ok with it. yeah, that's great, especially if they listened to this thread, but most likely there were many people also complaining on discord - and this decision makes a lot of sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZER1CHARISMA Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 so 7200 kobans is a really large number and somewhat unachievable in a short time frame but putting that aside ,after spending that weird amount you still have to do all the challenges to get the girls ,i mean personally after spending that much i don't want to do shit , i just want to get the prizes without doing any challenges and also returning to my first sentence ,for some people getting girls is nice but not getting them is okay but on the other hand some people want to have every single girl that pops on every event or for example get all the legendries ,but now they cant because they might not have the 7200 kobans for it and also in the past there was an RNG element in every aspect and parts of this game but i mean maybe its just me but kinkoid is omitting the RNG and putting a privilege system in place because i mean with event pachinko you had a chance in getting the girls in the first ,second or third try but now you have zero chance in getting the second girl if you don't put the 7200 kobans on the table ,that is just not RNG .basically what you did tied the hands of beginner lvl players in getting the second girls unless they buy kobans with physical money .i mean this game being free to play was one of the reasons i started playing this game but now i just feel kinkoid is trying to make money on every single part of the game .you know in the past it was exciting to see the new patch notes but now i feel like i'm gonna have a heart attack after seeing the next ones i mean the last few patch notes were horrible in every single way 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelinor Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 If I may be so bold as to comment on something I have not seen as yet... A contest with only two girls means that at least one of the player classes will not have a chance at achieving a girl matching their character class. So depending on what two girls the contest has slated as the reward, and where the player stands in character development, it may not be worth the effort to compete. I hold a platinum card which says I get 360 kobans * 4days for a total of 1440 kobans. Now I add in 600 kobans from daily events, and I stand at collecting 2,040 kobans. Taking it a step further by presuming that the event starting doesn't start midway through the Tower of Fame contest (where a player would need to be in D1, D2, or D3), how does one get the 7200 kobans in 4 days without spending additional real-world money? Perhaps this event will be one I enjoy and my concerns are baseless, but the comments I've read thus far point to potential flaws in this gaming event. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeMTO Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 22 minutes ago, ZER1CHARISMA said: now you have zero chance in getting the second girl if you don't put the 7200 kobans on the table Are you aware that there are specific girls available only to people who spend 500 USD (before tax) a month via Patreon for at least two months to obtain one of multiple girls? And that there are two girls who are only owned by two different individuals and there's no way to obtain them for anyone else? (on the one time Kinkoid did do it, one of those users raised complaints about Kinkoid not upholding their end of the deal by giving it to exactly one other user). HH has had exclusive girls for paying players for YEARS now. 37 minutes ago, blaa said: But not sure if I am able to get it more clear since, like you can easily see, I am still need a lot of improvement in English. I personally feel you are correct that it's a big logical hole in their argument. Might be exacerbated by neither of you being English-native, but it's still THEIR failure. 12 minutes ago, Pelinor said: A contest with only two girls means that at least one of the player classes will not have a chance at achieving a girl matching their character class. So depending on what two girls the contest has slated as the reward, and where the player stands in character development, it may not be worth the effort to compete. 3 star girls are never worth obtaining for development purposes. Only collector purposes. This is no different to basically every other event. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelinor Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 2 11 minutes ago, GeorgeMTO said: 3 star girls are never worth obtaining for development purposes. Only collector purposes. This is no different to basically every other event. Now I am even more concerned. The event wants me to pay 7200 kobans for the chance to get a 3-star girl!?!? Why would I even consider doing that when 3-star girls are readily obtainable for much less than that? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xemnas Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 i will not linger on everything that i'm sad about the patch and i will ask only one thing. Let's assume that i have my 7000 kobans and i really want the girl. Now i have to use them at the start and then shit i cannot end it and i wasted everything. So the question is : if i finish the event and get the first girl can i use the kobans after and get the plus rewards for mission and the extra girl with all the mission already done ? i hope i've been clear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeMTO Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 @Xemnas @Pelinor I feel you have both missed a VERY important part of this event that was stated earlier in this thread. You can buy the pass AT THE END after completing all tasks, no risk involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Тёмный Властелин Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, GeorgeMTO said: please clarify for me One month ago I struggled to get 5-11. The win was possible (not impossible) only if you donate a bunch of kobans. Now I still struggle to get the win, but usually can get into 5-11. That's it. 1 hour ago, GeorgeMTO said: The one where the comment I quoted was commented in. I've read the conversation there once again and still don't see anything incorrect in my opinion, namely: 1 hour ago, Тёмный Властелин said: I just want that the value of one entry in a contest should be exact the same for everybody, from the very beginning of the contest (and not like some people's 1 entry equals 1\2 of the other). But whatever. 1 hour ago, GeorgeMTO said: I feel tremendously sorry for the people who interact with you in the real world. Oh, how sweet. I'm glad you care (The moderator that cares! and not the one who is glad when other people are punished, right? Thinking of people other than himself? LOL) about people who interact with me, but maybe (maybe) you should care more about people who you interact with in the real world? LOL How about that, bro? Edited April 22, 2020 by Тёмный Властелин Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyonyuu Lover Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 7200 kobans to get an extra girl and double rewards.........yeah ill just play it normal free style. even the tifa look alike didnt cost me that much kobans, and i got her as soon as the event started using combativity refils. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelinor Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, GeorgeMTO said: @Xemnas @Pelinor I feel you have both missed a VERY important part of this event that was stated earlier in this thread. You can buy the pass AT THE END after completing all tasks, no risk involved. You have not alleviated my concern by stating the cost is for a guaranteed girl. It takes between 4000-5000 kobans to get a 3-star girl (on average in my experience), why would I pay 7200? What makes these particular 3-star girls worth the expense in the eyes of the developers? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antimon Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 11 minuti fa, Pelinor ha scritto: You have not alleviated my concern by stating the cost is for a guaranteed girl. It takes between 4000-5000 kobans to get a 3-star girl (on average in my experience), why would I pay 7200? What makes these particular 3-star girls worth the expense in the eyes of the developers? you don't get only the second girl: Il 21/4/2020 in 14:33 , Antimon ha scritto: About the 7200 kobans for the bonus rewards, aka the second girl, at first sight it seemed a lot, but maybe it isn't that much. I mean, in kinkoid's view. Transformig the others bonus rewards into known "kobans value" we get 1140 (10 champion tickets) + 324 (30 combativity points) + ~100 (37 energy points) = 1564 kobans, and if we add 5400 (one epic pachinko x10 spin/average cost to get one girl in legendary days not considering the free battles), we get to 6964 kobans. Not comprehended in this count are the (variable according to lvl) money reward, the 2 great pachinko x1 orbs and the great pachinko x10 orb, of which maybe we could deduce how much kinkoid values them in kobans/real money, if someone remember how much the bundle with all the tipes of orbs they pulled out weeks ago did cost (and, better, how much its "normal value" was). All of this to say I doubt they'll reduce the bonus rewards unlocking cost. Are all this rewards worthy of a 7200 kobans investment? For veterans who regularly compete for the top 4 in Dicktator III/whales/players with great amount of kobans saved up, maybe; for all the others, meh, I don't know, only if you like the girl a lot and/or she is at Murane Any and Shtupra's level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windia Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) @Kinkoid "winning place 20+ in a contest" this is especially bad as there is only one contest at a time, there is the time zone problem hitting much harder now, you can proceed only afterwards - and just awful, because event girls have never been part of "malperfomance" of other players, contests and league don't give a girl (well, more precisly: not a single girl recruitment depends on other players) no sorry, you got the feedback on Discord quite wrong, there was only strong disagree. I would appreciate it if you change it to "participate in a contest = more than 0 points". So active players only. Edited April 22, 2020 by windia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windia Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 On 4/21/2020 at 9:58 AM, Chthugha said: It can though. Just save a top 10 contest result and only claim it during the event ~~ If there would be better event planning then just on the day itself, I'd say: yes, a workaround. Still bad feature and a workaround for it. Right now the specific event gets revealed only 12 h in advance, yet alone the new events (12 days) I can see clearly from calendar. As with many things they tend to deny any scheme for longer than a few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Čamuga Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) the 7200 koban part is also puzzling to me. Why tf would anyone give that many kobans when u can roll an epic pachinko for 5400 for 100% chance for a girl? Or even 6000 Kobans for a privilege of you to get to choose between the 2 random ones? Are these event girls gonna be 11/10 god tier stats-god tier art girls? I highly doubt it (especially on art lol, we've seen what they've been pushing out recently), and even george here mentioned that they'll be 3 stars. So why the hell would anyone give that much? They've really gotta rethink that part as well, I'd be fine with the price if the prize was worthwhile, but the prize seems really lackluster. Edited April 22, 2020 by Čamuga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windia Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 9 hours ago, Karyia said: We need a test run to see how things play out (speaking for myself, at least). [...] as far as I remember they gave note when poa went live on test server a few days ago. Yes, I had an old test server account, so I had only the contest thingy to cope with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelinor Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 21 minutes ago, Antimon said: 40 minutes ago, Pelinor said: You have not alleviated my concern by stating the cost is for a guaranteed girl. It takes between 4000-5000 kobans to get a 3-star girl (on average in my experience), why would I pay 7200? What makes these particular 3-star girls worth the expense in the eyes of the developers? you don't get only the second girl: On 4/21/2020 at 7:33 AM, Antimon said: About the 7200 kobans for the bonus rewards, aka the second girl, at first sight it seemed a lot, but maybe it isn't that much. I mean, in kinkoid's view. Transformig the others bonus rewards into known "kobans value" we get 1140 (10 champion tickets) + 324 (30 combativity points) + ~100 (37 energy points) = 1564 kobans, and if we add 5400 (one epic pachinko x10 spin/average cost to get one girl in legendary days not considering the free battles), we get to 6964 kobans. Not comprehended in this count are the (variable according to lvl) money reward, the 2 great pachinko x1 orbs and the great pachinko x10 orb, of which maybe we could deduce how much kinkoid values them in kobans/real money, if someone remember how much the bundle with all the tipes of orbs they pulled out weeks ago did cost (and, better, how much its "normal value" was). All of this to say I doubt they'll reduce the bonus rewards unlocking cost. Are all this rewards worthy of a 7200 kobans investment? For veterans who regularly compete for the top 4 in Dicktator III/whales/players with great amount of kobans saved up, maybe; for all the others, meh, I don't know, only if you like the girl a lot and/or she is at Murane Any and Shtupra's level. Many thanks, @Antimon for pulling the relevant sections together. From what you presented it would appear the double rewards statement in the patch notes is based on slightly problematic rewards (ie the value of whatever is given by the great pachinko orbs (both types) + the money award. Without such, it looks like a wash, no gain or loss. Is it worth the time investment? I'll reserve judgment on that until I see the event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windia Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Čamuga said: the 7200 koban part is also puzzling to me. Why tf would anyone give that many kobans when u can roll an epic pachinko for 5400 for 100% chance for a girl? Or even 6000 Kobans for a privilege of you to get to choose between the 2 random ones? [...] two things are heard and said: - these girls will never appear in EP . maybe Mythic Pachinko, no one knows - doing a 6000 koban spin in EP gives you only the girl and _nothing_ else - most people don't do the 6000 spin in the first place Edited April 22, 2020 by windia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
test_anon Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 If you really want us to spend 7,2k, why not offer 2 non-free girls ? It would be more acceptable. What will be the frequency of this new event ? One per year ? One per month ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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