[ 24-Jul-20 ] PoA Heatwave - Discussion

[Dmytro]

12 hours ago, DvDivXXX said:

On 7/24/2020 at 4:16 PM, Dmytro said:

The main bottlenecks are defeat players 15+30+45+80=170 times and do 40+60=100 champion performances

To me, the main bottlenecks are the two big Spend Energy tasks (the first one was quick enough). Just in terms of sheer waiting times. Of course, the option exists to buy energy refills, but I can't bring myself to do that (and I'm very low on kobans right now anyway).

I do not recommend buying energy refills.  With good planning, there is some buffer room in the event, so you might be able to not only complete it on time but also (especially with the 7200 Koban path) save some combativity rewards for a head start in the next event.

If you are done with the story, and use the nonbonus path, the 250 energy task can indeed be a 19 hour wait (at 300 energy for 5 champion tickets with 100 energy stored and 50 energy from the previous task).  However, with the bonus path, the story, and yesterday's 10 energy promotion code (if you have not used it yet), it can be quick.

In terms of timeline:
* I think that for many players, the 180 energy task ended up as an overnight break marking the end of day 1.
* If you are not going to use the combativity rewards yet, the early part of day 3 is a good target to get the first girl.
* The 60 champion performances can happen on day 4 or 5.
* To get everything on time without buying refills, you should complete the 10000 contest points before day 7, unless day 6 has a Show-off in Casinos contest (like Great Pachinko 100x), in which case early day 7 also works (especially if you are not planning to demote league during the next week).

[jyepie]

i am on the DEFEAT VILLAINS part to win piper (0/60)

and the game has not count 7 different wins. i literally won the fights(not in a row, separate) but the contest did not count the wins, glitch? so horrible...

[Urist]

Have you tried fighting different bosses? Which boss(es) have you been fighting?

[LanceHardwood]

35 minutes ago, Dmytro said:

save some combativity rewards for a head start in the next event.

Next event is standard 14 day with generous drop rates. No point of saving combativity for it.

[jyepie]

19 minutes ago, Urist said:

Have you tried fighting different bosses? Which boss(es) have you been fighting?

yeah i had to go to lowest boss but it was annoying glitch. it was a clear win that got the win  reward but the contest didnt count it

[Darsca]

1 hour ago, LanceHardwood said:

Next event is standard 14 day with generous drop rates. No point of saving combativity for it.

You're in for a bit of a nasty non-surprise then, considering there is an Anniversary calendar going around (bonus, it's in the opening post of this thread) which states the next event is 10 days (although granted, Kinkoid have not exactly been consistent with event length over the Anniversary). We haven't even had a 14 day classic event for over a year and a half; it's been 12 days long since December 2018. Which is... before you started. Are you actually playing this game?

EDIT:

Figured I should add in something helpful(?) of my own rather than just lambaste Lance.

My own personal take on this is to definitely save Combativity rewards for the next event if you do not require them to finish the PoA on time. We appear to be rolling straight into it (please don't fuck me on this, Kinkoid), so you won't have to sit on an overfull bar for too long, but do make sure you claim them before PoA finishes or they will be lost. I can only assume it's some spin on a Classic event, but apparently with a shorter duration. Also, going by the pattern of the previous two events which have had girls on bosses, I expect there to be more girls than usual with definitely not enough time to grab them all using only naturally regenerated Combativity, so the extra ought to save you a few Kobans here.

/EDIT

4 hours ago, LanceHardwood said:

But that's still 2400 per girl, which is higher than the average you'd spend to get an additional girl during Epic days. 

And since I'm refuting claims anyway; Epic Days shard drops are 1-5, which translates to ~333 battles if we take the average drop of 3 shards and the established event drop rate of ~10%. Which translates to 3600 Kobans worth of refills. Even if we completely discount all the other rewards (which I don't), the two girls and the x10 Epic Pachinko Orb heavily outweigh the value.

If you're going to 'throw facts' to support your arguments, please at least make them correct ones.

Edited July 25, 2020 by Darsca
Balancing tone =D

[ali-n]

21 hours ago, yoyowhan said:

One more way is to pay kobens to restock shop to buy books for next legendary contest.

This is necessary if you have over 30 lv.1 girls to use.Gotta said I did over 15 restock last time and almost failed to get 4th.

And yet another way to spend is to directly crank up your stats in the market:

[LanceHardwood]

1 hour ago, Darsca said:

Which is... before you started. Are you actually playing this game?

No, should I be ?
Okay, my bad on the event duration, I round it out to 2 weeks in my head. Still, I get all girls from classic events a couple of days before the end, so that point stands.

1 hour ago, Darsca said:

And since I'm refuting claims anyway; Epic Days shard drops are 1-5, which translates to ~333 battles if we take the average drop of 3 shards and the established event drop rate of ~10%. Which translates to 3600 Kobans worth of refills. Even if we completely discount all the other rewards (which I don't), the two girls and the x10 Epic Pachinko Orb heavily outweigh the value.

You could be rolling 10xEpic Pachinko regularly if you're filthy rich in kobans, but the rest of those resources or their equivalent can be gained in a few days of normal gameplay, and with minimal strategy any player will have a significant surplus. 'Heavily outweigh' is a strong statement for a 10x Epic roll, which no regular player would do anyway, since the odds are you're getting either an Epic or a girl you're not interested in, with a chance to hit both those conditions. I for one am not looking forward to the odds of getting Natasha from that roll.
I will accept your Epic Days 3600 kobans per girl statement, so I guess we're getting a "buy 2, get one free" deal after all, which is slightly better.
But while obtaining all girls is the end-goal for most players, given how difficult it is to accomplish, generally everyone has a preference on whom they're willing to spend on.
Here we don't have the option to pay less and get only the one girl we want, it's all or nothing. This type of rigid reward is quite punishing when compared to other events.

Edited July 25, 2020 by LanceHardwood

[ali-n]

I am disappointed that none of the tasks include a Koban reward, so to me It definitely does not seem worth it to spend any Koban to unlock the second tier... thus my only goal in this event will be the first girl. I may or may not go after the second girl depending on how many days are left and if I feel I can do so without spending Koban (unlikely, given the later set of tasks).

On a side note, there is actually the chance for SIX girls for those ambitious enough to unlock the second tier and go all the way, since (as someone already noted) the prize for task 15 (XV) is an epic 10-game orb, which guarantees a girl. 

[jyepie]

1 hour ago, Darsca said:

You're in for a bit of a nasty non-surprise then, considering there is an Anniversary calendar going around (bonus, it's in the opening post of this thread) which states the next event is 10 days (although granted, Kinkoid have not exactly been consistent with event length over the Anniversary). We haven't even had a 14 day classic event for over a year and a half; it's been 12 days long since December 2018. Which is... before you started. Are you actually playing this game?

EDIT:

Figured I should add in something helpful(?) of my own rather than just lambaste Lance.

My own personal take on this is to definitely save Combativity rewards for the next event if you do not require them to finish the PoA on time. We appear to be rolling straight into it (please don't fuck me on this, Kinkoid), so you won't have to sit on an overfull bar for too long, but do make sure you claim them before PoA finishes or they will be lost. I can only assume it's some spin on a Classic event, but apparently with a shorter duration. Also, going by the pattern of the previous two events which have had girls on bosses, I expect there to be more girls than usual with definitely not enough time to grab them all using only naturally regenerated Combativity, so the extra ought to save you a few Kobans here.

/EDIT

And since I'm refuting claims anyway; Epic Days shard drops are 1-5, which translates to ~333 battles if we take the average drop of 3 shards and the established event drop rate of ~10%. Which translates to 3600 Kobans worth of refills. Even if we completely discount all the other rewards (which I don't), the two girls and the x10 Epic Pachinko Orb heavily outweigh the value.

If you're going to 'throw facts' to support your arguments, please at least make them correct ones.

 

save what combativity rewards? whats this?

[Dmytro]

1 hour ago, jyepie said:

save what combativity rewards? whats this?

The rewards for the event tasks include 50 free plus (for the 7200 Koban path) 70 bonus combativity, which you can claim at any time after completing the tasks but before the end of the event.  You can use these to reduce the time needed for the event by about 1 day, or about 2 days if you used the 7200 Kobans.  Or if your planning and circumstances are good enough, you can claim the combativity right before the end of the event, and get up to 1296 Kobans worth of combativity, which will be especially useful if Kinkoid adds extra girl(s) for the next event as an anniversary special.

[Dr. Lust]

YAY! Surprise, Surprise for me. :)  I misread the contest and did not realize the first girl we win is Heatwave Piper.  I just recruited her.

[Stang91]

what can you use energy on besides the story?

I was about done with the latest chapter/scroll before this event started so I don't even know if there's enough of the story left to get the first energy spending step done, nevermind the second. And I'm not expecting another chapter/scroll for the latest world for at least another week or so after this event is over.

Edited July 26, 2020 by Stang91

[GeorgeMTO]

As has been answered numerous times in this thread that you surely read before asking a question in it, champion tickets at the reception desk.

[Zorba the Geek]

I don't have much experience with PoA, but learned a little bit from the last one.  I've had to pace myself an restrict my impulse to move on as I normally do, such as not going into defeat villains option until this feature comes up in the PoA.  Seems obvious, but if I see 36 combativity points sitting there I have a strong impulse to go forth, especially with Valicta sitting on x92 shards in this account.

I may have to try tier I performances against Jackson's Crew to gain enough low value books to sell without having to wait for restocking.

What's been hard has been trying my best to lose in The Champions so I only have to wait 14 minutes for the next play instead of 24 hours.  After the next 12 hours I'll have all four of the unlocked champions to compete against and therefore more chance of getting this phase of the PoA out of the way.

What I like about this event compared with the last PoA is that the rewards match the upcoming respective phases of the event.  Good on those able to save their rewards without claiming them.  I don't have this luxury and, with insufficient kobans to spare (as always!!), I have to carefully plan my strategy.  One of the biggies for me to overcome has been when to spend energy with only one point added for every 7 minutes elapsed.  The other issue is that I may complete the current quest before I can accumulate 250 energy points, with nothing to spend them on.  Oh well, one can only do one's best.

I expect to get Piper, but I'd be hard-pressed to get Petal.  As for those who are locked, I assume they are unavailable to me if I have to spend 7,200 kobans to get them.  Never mind, I'll be somewhat further ahead than last time.  Progress is progress.

Best of luck everybody.  These girls are hot! and I particularly like Clarysse.  She's well drawn and shapely, and I love what she's wearing.  She's not everyone's favourite, it seems, but she's certainly mine on first impressions.

[Čamuga]

I just noticed all the Mythic Pachinko orb rewards in PoA.... I spent 7.2k kobans, am sitting at exactly 2 now, I used all the orbs I had gotten and saved up (instead of going like 500+Kobans in the single spin like an idiot) and I'm sitting at 85 shards for Golden Bunny. Using all rewards and blasting through PoA conditions that I can without any more Koban spendage, I've gotten Piper and Clarysse, now it's just a matter of "can I win all the PVP shit for the next task before 1PM so I can get the 2 more yellow 3 orbs and then pray to all mighty RNGesus that both of them roll for Golden Bunny and not the 1 other girl that I dont have". Bless me Gaben and RNGesus, for I require thy blessings!

Edit: 


I'm gonna make it, I just need a bit of luck now! 

Edit 2: I got 2x10 shards for Windia instead... feelsbadman so close yet so far ;-;

Edited July 26, 2020 by Čamuga

[DvDivXXX]

13 hours ago, Dmytro said:

I do not recommend buying energy refills.  With good planning, [...]

I don't have anything against anything you said in your post in and of itself, but the fact that you (partially) quoted my previous reply as its starting point suggests a misunderstanding I'd like to clarify. I wasn't actually saying I needed help or that I considered the Spend Energy tasks difficult or anything of the kind. I simply stated that, in my opinion, the two long Spend Energy tasks would be the two that slow things down the most in this event, in response to your previous statement that it would instead be the PVP Wins and Fight Champions tasks, which I disagree with, and I explained why (in the rest of my post that you didn't quote). To be extra clear on energy refills, by "of course the option exists, but I can't bring myself to use it", I meant the same thing as your "I do not recommend buying energy refills" response to that. So that was a bit weird for me to read, that's all. ^^

In any case, if your post helps anyone else, then that's cool. Good luck for the event.

Edited July 26, 2020 by DvDivXXX

[Eman]

hace 10 horas, ali-n dijo:

And yet another way to spend is to directly crank up your stats in the market:

I've gone with the same tactic. When we got the calendar at the beginning of the month and realized that we would get a PoA event, I stopped upgrading my stats for this. I leveled up 3 or 4 times, not sure, and so far I've managed to beat the first two money tasks just doing that. I'm not sure it will be enough for the third one, but we'll see.

 

And I'm currently at task 14, needing another 56 energy points to beat it. Since I don't want to be (again!) in the same situation as Тёмный Властелин, I've decided to wait and spend 60 points on a Champions ticket. Better safe than sorry.

[Max669]

Things are progressing nicely for me so far. Without spending any koban (except for unlocking the second path of rewards), I'm currently on step 15, with 42/45 PvP wins obtained. I'm gonna have to wait for a couple of hours for my first 4 champions to be available again for step 16, though.

The timing for the last "Spend energy" step was perfect for me as I reached it during the evening, just before going to bed, so with the 125 free energy rewards from the previous step and the refill from the night, I hardly had to wait at all to beat that step.

Anyway, with 6 days left, I shouldn't have much trouble finishing this event.

[Тёмный Властелин]

[Čamuga]

Wow, I'm just on the energy task, the 30 energy actually helped!  

[Observer_X]

I'm also on task XIV. Got online with a full energy bar, gathered the +30 from the free daily gift and the +50 from the previous task, for a total of 180. Result, still 8h45m to wait (if not more), meaning that unless I will be still up at 2:00am and have the luck to clear exactly the amount needed, I will lose the night hours for the prosecution of the event (as I can't exploit those hours for bar regeneration to use the resources in an event-wise manner when I get back online), plus the morning hours, being tomorrow a Monday, and therefore a working day for me. IMHO, even taking into account the bonuses, 250 is a quite too high goal if one is unable or unwilling to buy energy refills.

[Max669]

58/60 on the Champion step. It took longer than expected because I actually beat 3 of my champions pretty fast, so I only had 2 champions left to finish it all, after downgrading my teams as much as possible to make the champions last as long as possible.

After that :

- Spend 16M => I have Mizuki (5-star legendary) ready for her last affection upgrade which costs a hefty 18M

- Defeat 80 villains : I'm at 18/20 combativity and 20 + 20 + 25 from previous rewards so I'm good to go

- Score 10000 points in contests : Claiming both girls from Step 10 will cover this step

And then I'll be at the final step, win 80 PvP fights. Almost done !

[EDIT] 21/80 PvP !

Edited July 26, 2020 by Max669

[Eman]

End of the day for me, at stage XV with 39/45 PVP wins. Not bad. Plus I managed to get Avia from Silvanus!

[Zteev]

Last night just before bed, I realized that I was 2 Champions short of completing Task 8, and decided to spend the 12 Kobans to rush them. Sold my items for task 9, and then used up all my Combativity.

Was planning to do this with no Koban spending, but 12 Kobans is a miniscule expense, and I got game progress plus extra sleep for it - I'm sure I would've tried to stay up.  I will make those up by not spending the 12 Kobans for an auto-collect of money the next time I am very tired or time crunched.

Currently going through Task 10, and since I got the headstart from the 12 Kobans, I will finish it today, and will claim just the 5 Combativity from completing Task 2. That will leave me plenty for the next Villain task. I haven't unlocked the second path yet, seeing how far I can push without doing it.