[ August 2nd, 2023 ] Girl Skills 💡

[zoopokemon]

In case it hasn't been noted here, but it turns out a girl's "trait" is based on their element

[EpicBacon]

4 hours ago, zoopokemon said:

In case it hasn't been noted here, but it turns out a girl's "trait" is based on their element

Huhh... So in order to get the bonus for a black girl; you need to pair her with another black girl or a red girl?
Interesting; it will make it a lot easier to narrow down possible matches if nothing else.

Thanks

[Yamiray]

4 hours ago, zoopokemon said:

In case it hasn't been noted here, but it turns out a girl's "trait" is based on their element

After pulling the list I didn't have a changes to take a good look at it but now that you point it out(nice catch by the way) I can confirm it, I also notice that for the eye and hair if there are 2 its looks to always use the first one

[Ravi-Sama]

4 hours ago, EpicBacon said:

Huhh... So in order to get the bonus for a black girl; you need to pair her with another black girl or a red girl?
Interesting; it will make it a lot easier to narrow down possible matches if nothing else.

I view it more like if you know the girl's element, you can probably guess her trait.

They just need to be paired w/ any girl that matches the trait.  Don't have to match the exact elements, but pairs of elements do work better together to multiply the bonus.

These 3 Sensual/Playful M6s all prefer Column.  We already know the Column pose is OP for MREs, w/ 2 sensual M6s.  Seemed like a good place to look first.

Sensual/Playful & Nose Dive:

Sensual/Playful & 69:

Dom/Eccentric & Blue Eyes:

Dom/Eccentric & Green Eyes:

Sensual/Playful & Doggie Style:

Dom/Eccentric & Purple Eyes:

Dom/Eccentric & Red Eyes:

Physical & Taurus:

Physical/Voyeurs & Capricorns:

Sensual/Playful & Suspended Congress:

Dom/Eccentric & Golden Eyes:

Sensual/Playful & Splitting Bamboo:

Sub/Exhibitionist & White Hair:

Sub/Exhibitionist & Grey Hair:

I'll stop here, b/c it's getting long, but I find it interesting.  I used to pay attention to these similarities before, when it only really mattered for blessings.

This is from last May 5th, 2022, when Succubus Abrael was introduced.  She was my 2nd M6, so I did a deep dive on her attributes.

[DvDivXXX]

On 8/3/2023 at 5:33 PM, DvDivXXX said:

Tier 3 Criteria

Blue: (CH/KH/HC) Pose
Dark: Eye Color
Orange: Zodiac Sign
Green: Hair Color
Red: Eye Color
White: Hair Color
Purple: Zodiac Sign
Yellow: (CH/KH/HC) Pose

  ->

13 hours ago, zoopokemon said:

In case it hasn't been noted here, but it turns out a girl's "trait" is based on their element

It had but your spreadsheet color-coded version looks cleaner and is easier to memorize. Thanks.

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9 hours ago, EpicBacon said:

a black girl;

See? That's another reason we stick with "Dark" for that element. (That and the gems themselves are black whereas the icon on the girls and everywhere else is grey, so neither color works).

Edited August 5, 2023 by DvDivXXX

[Horsting]

3 hours ago, Ravi-Sama said:

They just need to be paired w/ any girl that matches the trait.  Don't have to match the exact elements, but pairs of elements do work better together to multiply the bonus.

I guess it means that only with a blessings element bonus, this skill becomes very strong with their near exponential bonus increase with every added matching girl. Otherwise the downside one has of being limited to the two elements (which is never a combination of two strong elements) is probably too large to go for it. Of course one can still go for the "light" variant of the skill, where the bonus is only applied in one direction from 2 or 3 girls, i.e. the others have a matching attribute but not the same trait in their own skill tree.

Generally, those girls seem to be worthy to focus on first, at least if one has most of them already, or not more of any other good group:

• Sensual & Nose Dive (or Doggie Style, but many rare and commons among them ...)
• Dom & Blue or Green Eyes

[DvDivXXX]

By the way, beware of the Pose filter in the Harem for theory crafting purposes.

28 minutes ago, DvDivXXX said:

The Pose filter specifically seems bugged right now. I've noticed it when I browsed for all Mythics' attributes for the girl skill thread recently. Girls I don't have correctly show up when I filter for any of their attributes, except for Pose. So I had to double check with the wiki.

For instance, if I filter for Mythic and HardCore, this correctly shows the 3 HC Mythics I'm missing:

But if I filter by Sodomy instead, even though all three of these HC girls have that same exact pose, they're not picked up by the filter:

Eye Color, Hair Color and Zodiac Sign all seem to work correctly and pick up those same girls, though.

Same thing for the 3 Column (and the 1 Suspended Congress) Mythics I'm missing. Charm? All three show up. Column? None. But each of them shows up for their other attributes. And so on.

 

[KuroJack]

I have a question, when I see stats of opponet girl, show:

This is a visual error or is posible a level up Tier skill 3 and 4 without tier 2?

I remember the first time I see it in rival, did show level of tier skill 2, but now show 0 and value in 3 and 4 to max in 6 of 7 girls, the last one have only tier 3 to max. I know not is impossible have that amount of bulb, but look strange, so I want confirm , because the skill 3 say need the points of tier 2.

And when I see my own stats, show the value tier sill 2

 

Edited August 5, 2023 by KuroJack

[Antimon]

Il 4/8/2023 in 15:49 , Horsting ha scritto:

EDIT: Did anyone ever get bulbs from CC?

I'm currently at 122 total fights against Chad on live server done after lightbulbs were introduced, and still no lightbulb. If CCs drop them, they must have a ludicrously low drop rate (this, or I have been extremely unlucky, and sadly I cannot entirely rule out that this could be the case)

Edited August 5, 2023 by Antimon

[Horsting]

27 minutes ago, Antimon said:

I'm currently at 122 total fights against Chad on live server done after lightbulbs were introduced, and still no lightbulb.

Okay, I assume then they cannot drop there. At least CC Ymen rewards were about doubled. But still, it means I'll shift my priorities with limited tickets a little to fighting more regular champs, instead of CC, outside of CbC day 3.

[bigkittynutz]

oh boy this is too much complexity. This is some Elden Ring JRPG stuff man. I don't even know which girls I should start on.

[Attirm]

Forgot the complexity, the drop rate of bulbs is just hilariously low. I've got 1 mythic bulb and 2 legendary bulbs so far. My time zone puts the daily reset at 4:00 AM for me so I basically can't compete in contests. The latest I'll stay up typically is midnight, or 1:00 AM if I don't have work the next day, so I'm locking in 3-4 hours before contest close. So I basically just presume I'm getting sniped. This makes earning bulbs nearly impossible.

[Ravi-Sama]

19 hours ago, KuroJack said:

This is a visual error or is posible a level up Tier skill 3 and 4 without tier 2?

Yes, it's a visual bug.  They know about it.

[zoopokemon]

15 minutes ago, Ravi-Sama said:

it's a visual bug

It's not visual their stats are actually being inflated with the bugged skills.

[Horsting]

Btw, the 4th skill (increased AP with each consecutive attack) does not have an effect on champion fights. I watched a 58 round fight with two girls having the skill maxed. The base AP and damage of those two as well as all other gills remained the same til the end.

The same surely applies for the 3rd skill (AP bonus for girls in team with same trait) as well, i.e. a champion girl draft is not a team in terms of the 3rd skill.

It made me a little sad, as that would have given skilling common, rare and epic girls some purpose, when having them in champion drafts. But on the other hand I would have defeated Romero in a single attempt them, instead of getting the 4M Ymen for bringing him to 70% only 🤑.

In any case, I think this is something which should be explained somewhere in the game. The 2nd skill of course does apply for the girls in general, i.e. champions and PoPs as well.

[Der DinX]

6 hours ago, Horsting said:

this is something which should be explained somewhere in the game

That's a good one 😁

If I asked you to summon up and list all the explanations made in the Game from KK-Side, I'd say you'll be back in ten minutes.
But which of those rarely given "tips" do actually really give useful advice or explain the mechanics?

[Horsting]

12 minutes ago, Der DinX said:

That's a good one 😁

I thought the same while writing, but hope dies last 😄. As we talked about constructive feedback elsewhere, I just don't want to give up writing down suggestions when/where they come to my mind.

[hihi1237823]

Can anyone explain

Tier 4

Special Passives

• These are always available and can stack if multiple girls from the team have them
  • Node 1: Increase the damage with each attack by X%
  • Node 2: Decrease opponent defense by X%

How does stack work? 

Scene1

If 7 girls have atk power max,
does the first girl that hit get atk boost 0.6x7=4.2% boost
second girl hit get 4.2*2=8.4% boost 
third girl hit get 12.6% boost
and so on?

Scene2

Or the first hit for first girl get 0.6% boost
the second girl get 1.2% boost
the third girl get 1.8% boost
and so on?

Scene3

Or the first hit of each girl get 0.6% boost, 
the second hit of each get get 1.2% boost
the third hit of each get get 1.8% boost
and so on?

Scene4

If 7 girls have def reduction max,

does the first girl that hit get def reduction of opponent by 0.6x7=4.2%
second girl hit get def reduction of opponent by4.2*2=8.4%
third girl hit get def reduction of opponent by 12.6% 
and so on?

 

If based on scene3 and 4,

of course def reduction would be better option

 

Edited August 7, 2023 by hihi1237823

[Horsting]

10 hours ago, hihi1237823 said:

How does stack work?

According to @renalove's record here it stacks multiplicative:

On 8/4/2023 at 3:39 PM, renalove said:

Turn	Actual damage	Calculated damage	Formula
1st	122518	122518.3	156,576 * 1.056 - 42,826
2nd	131777	131777.5	156,576 * 1.056 * 1.056 - 42,826
3rd	141555	141555.3	156,576 * 1.056 * 1.056 * 1.056 - 42,826
4th	151880	151880.7	156,576 * 1.056 * 1.056 * 1.056 * 1.056 - 42,826
5th	162784	162784.3	156,576 * 1.056 * 1.056 * 1.056 * 1.056 * 1.056 - 42,826
6th	174298	174298.4	156,576 * 1.056 * 1.056 * 1.056 * 1.056 * 1.056 * 1.056 - 42,826

So in your example with seven girls each AP skilled to 0.6%, the round's overall AP bonus would be:

1. 7x0.6%=4.2% boost or factor 1.042
2. factor 1.042²=1.086
3. factor 1.042³=1.131
4. ...

And for the defence penalty, while no one checked it yet, the consistent behaviour would be:

1. 7x0.6%=4.2% penalty or factor 0.958
2. factor 0.958²=0.918
3. factor 0.958³=0,879
4. ...

But forget about the defence skill, as it is always highly inferior compared to the AP bonus, simply since your AP values are much higher than your opponents' defence values, or you would have zero change to beat it anyway.

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Btw, I played a bit around with the tier 3 skill. That one IS indeed very strong: I have a bunch of girls (including 4 L5*, 2 of them dom, one additional L5* dom which I could not level yet) with blue eyes trait, and several others with blue eyes, including Magical Noemy and Murane which are blessed, the sensual L5* Navigator Selena, and physical L5* Lara from last DP. I could max out the skill for one L5* dom and the (common) Abraël, which is dom as well with blue eyes trait. So I can get a not so weak (for my progress stage) full blue eyes team with 6x(0.8%+0.6%)=8.4% AP bonus, and soon it will be 6x(2x0.8%+0.6%)=13,2% AP bonus.

Already now, an M6* without blue eyes is overall weaker (HH++ odds) than a L5* with blue eyes (both unblessed and red, Yesette vs Cyber Janet to be exact, and Janet can be also skilled with this trait, once I have enough bulbs). Only a level 7 matching mythic GG on Yesette keeps her a little stronger than Janet for now, but that will go once 3 doms have the 3rd skill with blue eyes bonus maxed. And Abraël C5* is stronger than Yesette and Murane (blue eyes + blessed), of course also as she is dom, but the skill adds another 6x0.6%=3.6% AP bonus, nearly double the 2% dom bonus.

Now think about 7*6*0.8%=33.6% AP bonus with 7 such girls, many dom, some eccentric. Blessings then need to make others without this trait (or at least blue eyes) very strong to be compatible with any girl from such team, even if no L5* or M6*.

Edited August 7, 2023 by Horsting

[Ravi-Sama]

Made an experimental team w/ 4 nose dive girls, and 5 green eyed girls, for Mavin and Rin's tier 3 girl skills.  They're all lvl 750.  Gave them my best common RE (all lvl 3-4).  They have a decent 190k TP, and 175k Atk before the LM is applied.  201.1k Atk w/ 4 cords and an LM.  They're all blessed too.

Mavin's Nose Dive: 4 * 0.6% = 2.4% -> 1.024
Rin's Green Eyes: 5 * 0.6% = 3% -> 1.03

5 hours ago, Ravi-Sama said:

[Horsting]

Makes sense, with larger harems, even if one does not have a full set of 7 premium girls all with the same trait, one surely finds some with different overlapping traits. Would be interesting whether replacing one of the yellow L5* in your team with a (maxed) common green eyes or nose dive trait girl also makes the team stronger. It is only 4 or 5 times the bonus compared to my full 7 blue eyes team, but can be also the weak yellow bonus replaced with strong dark or blue.

[Griffe]

Le 03/08/2023 à 08:50, EpicBacon a dit :

Edit - Just did a quick check on the legendaries I have at level 750, 8 in total have less then 10k mainstat; Bianca, Silver Lupa, Norou, Blet, Keiko, Bellona, Amaya and Taria as shown in this screenshot.

 

How do you get that screen with all combined stats? Do you use a script?

[Ravi-Sama]

2 minutes ago, Griffe said:

How do you get that screen with all combined stats? Do you use a script?

On 2/1/2022 at 7:00 AM, DvDivXXX said:

@Liliat's Harem++: Changes the Harem interface and has its own very handy interface to have a global look at all your Girl Gear all at once, including the ones currently equipped. You can compare items by slot, by girl and more.
Overview: https://github.com/LiliatHH/haremplusplus/
Direct Link: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/LiliatHH/haremplusplus/main/release/haremplusplus.user.js
Supported games: HH.com

[Pelinor]

I figured out a way to do the equipment but have not found a way to do the skills. The one time I saw the screen allowing me to do this, I forgot to note what steps to take to get back to it. Why doesn't the girls' screen have a simple "skill management" button?

[Ravi-Sama]

2 minutes ago, Pelinor said:

I figured out a way to do the equipment but have not found a way to do the skills. The one time I saw the screen allowing me to do this, I forgot to note what steps to take to get back to it. Why doesn't the girls' screen have a simple "skill management" button?

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