Chit Chat

[Methos2]

15 hours ago, DvDivXXX said:

A forum is a place of discussion and exchange and we're here to communicate with WORDS first and foremost. Reaction emoticons are not here to replace words,

Reaction is a form of communication too and it is valuable. If I don't have anything different to add to a conversation, I just use an emoticon. If everyone decides to post every time to agree or to disagree, the forum will probably be more chaotic and overwhelming. These days, I don't have time to read every new message on the forum. I skipped most wall of text.

23 hours ago, jelom said:

Another issue is that just by not allowing the option to express a negative feeling or emotion to something you dislike doesn't make it dissapear

I agree with Jelom. Without a disagreement reaction, anyone who disagrees with a post will either ignore it or reply with a post. The prior is just ignoring the issue. The disagreement doesn't disappear. The latter will probably end up with more hurt feeling than a simple emoticon. A wall of text showing disapproval does more harm than an emoji.

I didn't interpret the wtf reaction as a literal wtf. It's just the only reaction that is closer to disagreement. We can also renamed the raised eyebrow emoji 🤨 as disagree instead of wtf or find another emoji that is more neutral.

15 hours ago, DvDivXXX said:

Methos, Omer, Sucsa, obviously Karxan and plenty others had similar road bumps in their exchanges with me I'd say. And I'm pretty sure we're good now

We've always been good. I have utmost respect to anyone who volunteer their time to help others. Whether it is being a volunteer moderator, developing user script, sharing spreadsheet, ... That doesn't mean I will always agree with them as you had noticed. You might not recognize it yourself but your posts used to be quite condescending. It might not be your intention but they were to the readers. Anyway, that's ancient history, I have noticed your improvement over the years. I applaud you. ❤️

The bottom line is that a negative reaction doesn't necessarily mean as an insult. We can politely disagree with a post using a reaction. Taking it away doesn't mean everyone happy. We just need to find a neutral word or emoticon that has no emotion attached to it to avoid misunderstanding.

[Horsting]

I agree that an emotionally neutral negative emoji ("WTF" is mostly understood emotionally loaded, I guess) would be probably less misunderstood than any text people write. Also currently people sometimes simply use other emojis for expressing their disagreement, which then again can be misunderstood as well. E.g. on my controversial girls' equipment posts, I found several "😭" and "🤔" reactions. The first was sufficiently clear to understand in the context, and while I think the second was also meant as disagreement, it could have also meant "I have to think about your post." which could be even taken as a positive reaction. A clear "👎" (probably even more neutral glyph like literally "-1") would have given it more the nature of some voting, the emotionally probably most neutral form of expression.

But forcing people to either not react at all (or only positively to contrary posts) or write text implies a chance that the disagreement is explained, argued, and at least has a chance to be constructive that way (while it also has a chance to be destructive, of course). Also while a voting e.g. says whether an opinion is shared by many or not, it does not differentiate between "Good points, but I do not share your conclusions/opinion." and "This does not make sense."/"You are factually wrong.", which I sometimes find important and better expressed with some (politely worded) text.

Hard to say whether it overall serves the forum's atmosphere or not, as it enormously depends on individual sender and receiver 🤔.

[garadron]

Is the daily free "deal" always going to be 15 energy and 1 kiss or am I going crazy?

[bolitho76]

Seems so. With the assumption that the free Bundles will allways be the same I made a comparison old Calendar/new free Bundles:

Comparison between old calendar and new daily/weekly/monthly bundles
Kisses: in the old calendar 4x5, now 28x1 = +8
Combativity: in the old calendar 1x20, 1x5 now 4x15 = +35
Epic x1 Orbs: in the old calendar 2x1, now 1x3(?) because of monthly 2/28 against 3/30: a little bit more
Girls XP: in the old calendar 11x1000, now nothing
Energy: in the old calendar 3x50, now 28x15 = +300
Tickets: in the old calendar 2x10, now 4x5 = same
Gold: in the old calendar 1x60, 3x30 so 150/28, now 180/30: a little bit more

 

Edited June 10, 2023 by bolitho76

[Horsting]

It was a chance (or still is?) to add some EqP orbs per month, replacing e.g. some kisses which are currently overflowing (at least for me/my level range).

[DvDivXXX]

@Methos2 & @Horsting Thanks for your input. I pretty much agree with all your combined points. Of course, there are plenty of posts that are better answered by a reaction smiley than by an actual reply, and I even encourage it strongly in some cases (most typically when you just want to say "Thanks", adding the purple "Thanks" reaction is much better than posting "Thanks").

But disagreement is different. Typically, if you disagree with a post on a discussion forum, you (should) have stuff to say, counterpoints to make, an opinion to share. That's pretty core to healthy discussions imho. Just saying "I disagree" isn't very useful: we don't know why, or even which part(s) of the post you disagree with. And that's if we had a neutral "I disagree" reaction available, which we never had.

Conveying "WTF" or raising your eyebrow at someone's post might be intended to say "I disagree", but that's not what it actually says, and the more often you do it on a certain type of posts or on posts by the same person over and over again, the more the message it actually conveys is "I hate this guy, gotta show him" OR "I hate those people, gotta show them". Which is you know, basically harassment, if at a very low level and in a minimalist form.

It would be much more constructive or the very least honest and open if such people used words to actually discuss what it is they disagree with and what they think in a discussion, when it's what they actually want to convey with their passive one-click smiley reactions.

And it is a very good thing that, in cases where someone just uses toxic smiley to hate on someone else and/or on a group of people or a part of the community being a certain way, they no longer can. And if they really want to out themselves in that way, they're free to post and formulate their beef clearly and openly. Of course if it's jut personal dislike let alone hate for someone or a certain groups of people, then such hypothetical posts could only materialize as personal attacks at best, if not flat out hate speech, or harassment. So that would be moderated (with one exception but that person has immunity and I feel slash hope our interactions have been neutral to amicable for long enough now that our previous "feud" is behind us; neither of us had anything to gain from that).

As for disproportionately liking a post that disagrees with me, go get 'em Tiger! ^^ It doesn't hurt me at all, and it's fairly healthy compared to your previous behavior. Same for laughing at my posts. I have zero problem with that.

Slight nuance still: there's a difference between a post that happens to have been written by a moderator and a moderating post. The former is just as open to reaction and discussion as any other. The latter is not. Reacting "WTF" to moderating posts specifically was never okay, and more akin to reporting a moderating post claiming the mod abused their power and whatnot, which also happened multiple times in the past and those were almost never legit. We did have a few cases over the years in which there had been a misunderstanding or even a clear mistake made by a mod, and the report helped clear it, recognize it and rectify it. It would still have been less sneaky and likely just as effective to make a post signaling the error even in those cases, though. Giving a negative reaction to legit moderating posts just because you dislike how the forum is moderated or you have a personal grudge against the mod never ever helps and is just toxic background noise, though.

Anyhow. Have a great weekend, folks.

[Der DinX]

😁When someone wants to make sure, that you are really going to visit a Partner Website.

I'm curious if I'll get all 6 times the Reward in TransPSH. 🤪

[DvDivXXX]

Damn, for a second I thought all these were on HH, but no(t yet?). We only got one generic offer for  the main Grooby site so far. Gimme kobans for any and all of their gazillion repackaged sites any day! ^^

[Der DinX]

Maybe it is some compensation for not getting 60 Kobans every day in TransPSH, instead you get a bunch of it once and that's it.

And yes indeed I got them all.

[OmerB]

On 6/8/2023 at 6:16 PM, DvDivXXX said:

Methos, Omer, Sucsa, obviously Karxan and plenty others had similar road bumps in their exchanges with me I'd say. And I'm pretty sure we're good now, them and I (at least I damn well hope so ^^).

Also, I'm only human and I went well out of my way to dissipate misunderstandings with so many people on this forum over the years, even and perhaps even more when they were initially insulting me and feeling like I was insulting them. I've made a few changes here and there as concessions or occasionally because I just agreed with a suggested change in my approach. I've almost stopped using the term "noob" entirely, even though in my culture it's still a very common and very harmless term and nowhere near an insult, because most people on this forum happened to perceive it as such, notably.

First, I have to say that I never used an emogi to harass you personally. I used the emogis as I see fit for the content of the post. I don't know what you think about my activity in the forum.

Alongside that, we're not so good. I had a lot of heartache because of how you handled me, and I had thought to stop participating in this forum. I was banned multiple times and called by names, despite always trying to put a thought and write in the appropriate threads (from my first post). Maybe you're a good forum moderator, even great, but I think that you were wrong and misjudged me in some occasions. So yes, my participation in this forum wasn't as pleasant experience for me as it could have been, because of how you treated me.

Edited June 10, 2023 by OmerB

[Master-17]

11 hours ago, Ravi-Sama said:

69NUTAKU -> 69 nutaku gold (only Nutaku)

Where to enter it? In KK Nutaku games? Or in Nutaku itself? Neither there nor there it does not work.

[Ravi-Sama]

1 hour ago, Master-17 said:

Where to enter it? In KK Nutaku games? Or in Nutaku itself? Neither there nor there it does not work.

I play on HH, so didn't test it myself.  I saw it on discord.  It's from yesterday.  Guess it was only valid for a day.

[Karxan]

any ideas on if/when "JeuxPornoEnLigne" will be enabled/Live?  Is KK unlikely to do any big koban gifts?

any chatter on if/when Guild Mail might be a thing?

how concerned should i be if a guild Leader has not been seen in 60+ days?

[DvDivXXX]

3 hours ago, OmerB said:

we're not so good. I had a lot of heartache because of how you handled me, [...] I think that you were wrong and misjudged me in some occasions. So yes, my participation in this forum wasn't as pleasant experience for me as it could have been, because of how you treated me.

Sorry to hear that. I went to great lengths to communicate as well as possible the reasoning behind every warning and temp ban I gave you (I'm not the only mod who had to moderate some of your posts, IIRC), as well as why I gave you your mod-approval post restriction (and why I think it's best for both you and the forum to maintain it). I know you've always perceived it as a punishment or something negative but the purpose has always been to keep you around with us (while preventing you from making more bannable posts and ending up perma-banned eventually).

I'll re-review your moderation history to see if in retrospect it seems that I (or others) went too hard on you at any point. In any case, I wish you believed me when I tell you that it's never been personal (in the negative bias sense; on the contrary my latest judgment calls in your case had the positive bias of "I don't want to ban this guy, so what other options do I have?"). Very sorry if I still hurt your feelings, that was never my intention.

3 hours ago, OmerB said:

First, I have to say that I never used an emogi to harass you personally. I used the emogis as I see fit for the content of the post. I don't know what you think about my activity in the forum.

I understand that. I said you had a bumpy road in your exchanges with me, as did others I mentioned (and others yet who recognized themselves). I didn't say there was the exact same bumps on that road.

I already told you what I think of your activity on the forum multiple times, don't you remember? I think you're a nice and interesting regular contributor. I like a lot of your posts and I appreciate your presence. I've had plenty of pleasant exchanges with you and I generally have a good time reading you.
 

Spoiler

My only issue is you've had a pattern of making unacceptable posts every now and then, out of the blue. But we never understood each other on that and it's part of the problem: we're not on the same page on what's okay to post or not, you and I. And you're not willing to accept my moderation of (some of) your content. Hence your repeated pleas for me to lift your mod-approval restriction, and your report(s?) against me that were reviewed by my fellow mod(s) at the time, who found no valid complaints on how I've moderated you. And crucially, the fact that each time your training wheels got lifted, you ended up making a bannable post soon thereafter, which we had to moderate since we no longer had the chance to review it and not approve it beforehand.

You're not alone with this special status I essentially came up with. I'm pretty proud of setting this up, too, because the alternative would have eventually been a permaban. There were several other regulars in the past who mods really, really, didn't want to have to ban, because most of their content was good or even great contributions, but who had a similar (not identical) problematic behavior at unpredictable times, and who were not following our warnings and required moderation again and again, and eventually reached the point of no return where a permaban was our only option, even if we didn't feel great about it. This status has been keeping multiple regulars perfectly safe from themselves and from moderation for about half a year or so, now. You seem to be the only one from that group to actively resent it rather than appreciate it or at least understand the intention is good and accept it.

Plus you're in Holy's club, man (in which there also used to be Finder, so two thirds of this forum's mod team not so long ago). If you still disagree with this forum's moderation and feel you've been treated unfairly after all the exchanges you had with me on the forum and two other mods in your club's chat, it seems unlikely you ever will.

Anyhow. I'll give your history another fresh look and re-review it just in case. We might have a chat on Discord or through Holy if that helps. I feel we've already gone a bit too deep on your specific case here. Could still be interesting for some who might be curious to have a sneak peek on this forum's moderation process. But past a certain point, it's your story and it doesn't need to be public.

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1 hour ago, Karxan said:

any ideas on if/when "JeuxPornoEnLigne" will be enabled/Live?

At this point I think it's most likely that this was an old promo code and they made a misclick or something when they meant to make it expire. That site has been having Kinkoid banner ads for quite awhile now, so that deal is probably a bit old. It's just weird that it says "is not yet valid" rather than "has expired" or just plain "is not valid".

[DvDivXXX]

1 hour ago, Karxan said:

how concerned should i be if a guild Leader has not been seen in 60+ days?

Depends. A longer answer might require its own QA thread, but if you make a search in the QA subforum you should find multiple threads about this already.

Short-ish version: if your club leader has assigned anyone the co-leader role, nothing to worry about. The co-leader can do almost everything a leader can, except kicking the leader. Eventually, automatic checks that have been in place for a few months now should remove the inactive club leader and transfer leadership to the co-leader automatically.

If there's no one in your club with co-leader status, then you should have a vote to name someone as the new leader and send an in-game ticket to Support with a screenshot the vote in your club's chat.

[Karxan]

On 6/8/2023 at 11:16 AM, DvDivXXX said:

You're also definitely one of many folks who came to know me a bit and notice their first impression was very far-removed from who I actually am and what my intentions actually are for this community in general and any individual I interact with in particular. The change was very noticeable for me, and I respect and appreciate you more for it, to be honest. Methos, Omer, Sucsa, obviously Karxan and plenty others had similar road bumps in their exchanges with me I'd say. And I'm pretty sure we're good now, them and I (at least I damn well hope so ^^).

We aren't.  Not yet, at least.

i would say things are better because we understand each other better now than we did.

While i have issues i wish to address, i have not done so because i want to do it right; that means i have to be clear-headed & well-rested.  Such times have been in short supply for me in recent months, doubly so this past week.  But it is needed because any convo where i cannot keep the what & the who i have issues with separate, will be counterproductive at best, hurtful & damaging at worst.

A time to every purpose...

Be good, @DvDivXXX.

Edited June 11, 2023 by Karxan

[Horsting]

9 hours ago, DvDivXXX said:

If there's no one in your club with co-leader status, then you should have a vote to name someone as the new leader and send an in-game ticket to Support with a screenshot the vote in your club's chat.

Thanks for the question and the answer. The same came up in our club with leader inactive without info for now 18 days (suspiciously close to girls' equipment update), no co-loader assigned and other inactive members accumulating, so that club champion participation ratio goes down, hence shards.

Cross quoting:

On 12/1/2022 at 1:33 PM, Tohru - Kinkoid said:

If the club leader has been inactive for more than 50 days, please open a ticket with support explaining the situation.

50 days is a little long for my taste, but I'm probably over-average active, enthusiastic and impatient 😄.

[EpicBacon]

On 6/9/2023 at 5:00 PM, Horsting said:

I agree that an emotionally neutral negative emoji ("WTF" is mostly understood emotionally loaded, I guess) would be probably less misunderstood than any text people write. Also currently people sometimes simply use other emojis for expressing their disagreement, which then again can be misunderstood as well. E.g. on my controversial girls' equipment posts, I found several "😭" and "🤔" reactions. The first was sufficiently clear to understand in the context, and while I think the second was also meant as disagreement, it could have also meant "I have to think about your post." which could be even taken as a positive reaction. A clear "👎" (probably even more neutral glyph like literally "-1") would have given it more the nature of some voting, the emotionally probably most neutral form of expression.

But forcing people to either not react at all (or only positively to contrary posts) or write text implies a chance that the disagreement is explained, argued, and at least has a chance to be constructive that way (while it also has a chance to be destructive, of course). Also while a voting e.g. says whether an opinion is shared by many or not, it does not differentiate between "Good points, but I do not share your conclusions/opinion." and "This does not make sense."/"You are factually wrong.", which I sometimes find important and better expressed with some (politely worded) text.

Hard to say whether it overall serves the forum's atmosphere or not, as it enormously depends on individual sender and receiver 🤔.

I use the thinking emote a lot, even if I don't agree with someone, if the post makes me think then that is not a bad thing.
I like discussions, because someone can point out things I didn't even consider, and thus can make me either change 
my mind, or take this new information into my consideration.

[Karxan]

(skips multi-quoting 6+ posts Re; kobans)

i reaaaally wishing/hoping kk will toss us a few thousand kobans soon...  i'll click every referal link i can & try to save, but i really want to unlock the PoV Bonus for Passionate Quartz...

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Unrelated questions:

Does Guild Co-Leaders get any icon by their name?  I've guessed the Crown icon is the Guild leader.

I asked in GChat if there is a Co-Leader.

The Hot Catz's Leader last seen 69 days ago.  Guild is at least 3 yrs old it seems.

My CXH's Ldr last seen 10d ago.

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Edited June 11, 2023 by Karxan

[Der DinX]

Well I can't say I've had a quarrel with any Mod or other Players at any time, but I partly can understand that some players might have the impression, that DvDivXXX can be rather harsh or strict.

My first contact was about a year ago, after 18 Days playing the Games (HH,CxH,PsH) and participating in my first PoA.
I've been looking and searching in the Forum all the time and found many helpful things, but now I had an Issue I couldn't find a solution for and so I decided to make my first Post.

And right after I got a response, I thought immediately: Oh my, what did I do just wrong? 🤔

And of course it was partly because of using poorly expressed terms, which will happen a lot for a non native speaker with only limited experience in writing and communicating in English at large.

What I did was using the word "complaint", when all I wanted to express was some displeasure of in my opinion unbalanced thing.

And there were the next two Problems, first I did it in a "Discussion" Thread, which was obvious for me at that time, because it was related.
Not knowing that in this Forum the Discussions are mainly about the Characters, if it is not a new Event or something is going wrong because of a change or an update.

And the second was insufficient experience, or just say missing knowledge of (basic) mechanics, because of course there isn't any explanation ingame.

 

So long story short, DvDivXXX moved the Post to Q&A, which was ok as I had suggested it to be moved if there was a more appropriate place.
But instead of giving some sort of advice or explanation, it was only a reminder of me not knowing how things work, in combination with using Terms like fresh meat or rookie, new player was the nicest one. 😁
The used Title and Tag for that new thread did the rest.

That as a first Impression of a Mod can be a bit devastating, because on first sight this wasn't helping at all!

Now it is clear to me why it has been moved, instead of just answering it in Discussions, and there were others rather quick in giving tips and making suggestions, which finally brought me on the right track and gave me the solution I needed.

But I can understand, that those reactions coming from a mod can force discomfort or aversion, even aggression.
Which happens quite fast if you are not directly confronted "in Person" with the Person you have an argue with.

 

After all, I hope I did not use too much "poorly expressed terms", to give my unimportant two cents to this Discussion.
(And of course I wanted to contribute something useful, not only to interrupt interesting conversations with silly Pictures of Advertisings.) 🤪

So long and have fun (I'm still looking for the fun part in these Games, have found it mostly here in the Forum though.)

[jelom]

1 hour ago, Der DinX said:

I'm still looking for the fun part in these Games

The mix of sex and humour was what I liked most (*) of this game for a long time.

The main story is funny in many points, and many of the old girls have funny stories told with their poses and affection images, this one is worth remembering (you need to have her to see the affection images, of course):

https://harem-battle.club/wiki/Harem-Heroes/HH:Lady-Meta

It is a pity the humour is not as usual in the game now as it was before.

 

(*) Well, in reality what I liked most was the descending black shadow drop animation when you got a girl in the old times.

https://forum.kinkoid.com/index.php?/topic/9258-shadow-drop-animation-bring-it-back/&do=findComment&comment=129343

Please, Kinkoid, make that visual effect back again. @Tohru - Kinkoid sorry to invoke you, but this is my only wish.

[DvDivXXX]

14 hours ago, Karxan said:

Does Guild Co-Leaders get any icon by their name?  I've guessed the Crown icon is the Guild leader.

 Good question. It wasn't shown in the patch notes when they've released this feature, there's no co-leader in my club for me to check, and I couldn't find any screenshot with a forum search either.

I'm guessing they must have some sort of icon to help identify them, but I can't be sure. Someone else with one or more co-leader(s) in their club should be able to confirm.

Patch notes for reference:

Spoiler

Patch Notes Week #43

26. 10.2022

Improvements
Clubs

• Co-leadership role has been added to the clubs. Read on to learn more:

⚡ Club Leader and Co-leader ⚡

Club Leaders can now promote other members to the new role of “Co-Leader”. Co-leaders will be able to help manage the club.

💥 How to promote a player to “Co-leader”?💥

Co-leaders can be promoted or demoted from the 3 dots in the Club Members list.

🔥 The deets 🔥

There can be max. 4 co-leaders in a club.

Like the leaders, co-leaders can accept requests, kick, mute members, change the name and recruitment type, delete, pin, and unpin chat messages.

Co-leaders can directly leave the club, unlike the leader.

 

[Methos2]

15 hours ago, Karxan said:

Does Guild Co-Leaders get any icon by their name?

co-leaders have shadow crowns by their name on chat but not club page.

[DvDivXXX]

@Karxan & @Der DinX Thanks for sharing your impressions. Sorry to hear one of you apparently still has some issues regarding my moderation, and it seems I ruffled the other one's feathers a bit in our very first interaction (see spoiler below).

Spoiler

To be fair I did provide you with advice both directly and indirectly, starting with where to post to get answers to your questions. I knew by moving your post to QA you'd get answers quickly, and I advised you to post there for future questions. I also posted later on in the same thread as I felt our generous regulars might have been overwhelming you with new info you didn't strictly need as you had only just started the game. "Fresh meat" was applied to brand-new players from the perspective of more mid to late game features, not to you in particular. "Rookie" was tongue in cheek from me, though I get how it might have been perceived as an insult. I did add the "noob question" tag, which I've stopped using since  then as too many people misread it as describing the person rather than the question itself and, as previously explained, many people here perceive the term "noob" as an insult, which it never was for me. I even applied the "noob question" tag to some of my own QA threads. A bit of a language barrier with your mention of "complaints" and your fairly long text to ask a relatively simple question also came into play, for sure. At the end of the day, my intervention introduced you to the most useful part of the forum for a new player, and lead to a plethora of tips and tricks on what you were asking about. It's a bit sad to me if the main thing you got away from it at the time was "that guy sounds rude".

There might be some lingering confusion on the role of a mod on this forum in either or both cases. Most new users of this forum tend to assume and expect our first or even main mission is to answer their questions. It's not even a part of the list describing our tasks in the tiny PDF we get to "sign" when we take on the role. Most mods tend to be helpful and assist players with their questions, forward their relevant feedback or bug reports, and so on. But we do this voluntarily (and most of us did this long before becoming a mod, and in a few cases, long after resigning as a mod). Our primary roles are to keep the forum clean, safe, and tidy (and most of this especially what takes the most time, energy and diligence, is virtually invisible to regular forum goers). Engaging in the forum community and day to day activities and discussions is arguably a secondary, implicit mission (and it certainly plays a role in our getting on Kinkoid's radar as potential mods to begin with), but it's not an official part of the forum moderator role Kinkoid entrusted us with.

It varies a lot from one person to the next, and there have been and still are examples of both extremes (and anything in between). You have some forum mods who barely ever post at all (as mods, at least) except to give a friendly "warning" (as opposed to a formal warning, which only the recipient, other mods and CMS can see) or forward time-sensitive announcements from Kinkoid about a bug or another issue. You have forum regulars who spend an impressive amount of their own free time answering questions and providing advice despite not being mods (and in a few cases, even declining the offer when it came). And somewhere in the middle you have mods like @Ravi-Sama or me who do both and are very active on the forum in general, beyond and above what's expected of us.

It can be quite frustrating and tiresome when some people not only take this for granted, but expect even more and, in extreme (but not that rare) cases, start arguing with us because they feel entitled not only to our assistance but also to us addressing them like we were their servants. I've had more than a few poor exchanges with people like that, and yeah at a certain point I won't even bother clarifying. The last one I remember (don't remember the name or specific thread though, but he had a Eugénie avatar) was particularly facepalm inducing, as after I told him he wasn't the first to misunderstand what to expect from a mod on this forum, he draw the conclusion that "wow, you had several other people making the same critic in the past and you didn't question your behavior". That was pretty damn baffling to me. Yeah, dude, I've met a few entitled assholes just like you who were shocked I wasn't calling them Sir, Yes Sir along the way. What didn't occur to you is that it's like 0.01% of people I've interacted with in my 3 years moderating this forum, and the vast majority of others were more than fine with me helping them without putting my bow-tie and white gloves on. (I'm addressing the guy from back then, here, not either of you guys, to be extra clear).

Anyways. It is what it is, and we are who we are. There would be tons more to say about the larger topic. But the focus often tends to be on whoever happens to be more opinionated and less consensual in their approach and way to speak than other mods at the time. It used to be George back in the day. It's been me for a long time. That's missing the forest for the tree imho, but it is what it is.

Have a great day, folks.

[Guest Tohru - Kinkoid]

12 hours ago, jelom said:

Please, Kinkoid, make that visual effect back again. @Tohru - Kinkoid sorry to invoke you, but this is my only wish.

Heya, no worries, I'll forward the feedback